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Blaming the Carlson School for the basketball team losing Battle is right up there with blaming The Administration™ for Gophers sports sucking throughout history (except for volleyball, hockey, softball, gymnastics, wrestling, baseball most years, and that one golf national championship, of course).
 

The biggest problem Ben had, was that he didn't put together enough wing/guard talent on this roster. Thus, he couldn't bench Battle, they couldn't stop opposing guards on defense, and they turned the ball over too much. The team got marginally better at the end when Payne got better, Henley got better and Carrington became available and played better as well. The late season play convinced me that it was the roster, not the game coaching that killed us. Ben needs to go get the talent. If Ihnen and Fox are healthy and solid contributors then our front line is good and the depth is there. We need three more guards. If Ihnen and Fox can't help much then we need a rebounder 4/5 type as well.

Payne/ Fox
Garcia/Ihnen
JOJ/Betts/________
Carrington/ Christie
_______/_________
After seeing what offensive and defensive schemes they ran you still believe Ben can coach at this level. Haha
 

The biggest problem Ben had, was that he didn't put together enough wing/guard talent on this roster. Thus, he couldn't bench Battle, they couldn't stop opposing guards on defense, and they turned the ball over too much. The team got marginally better at the end when Payne got better, Henley got better and Carrington became available and played better as well. The late season play convinced me that it was the roster, not the game coaching that killed us. Ben needs to go get the talent. If Ihnen and Fox are healthy and solid contributors then our front line is good and the depth is there. We need three more guards. If Ihnen and Fox can't help much then we need a rebounder 4/5 type as well.

Payne/ Fox
Garcia/Ihnen
JOJ/Betts/________
Carrington/ Christie
_______/_________
I think both of those guys should get the bulk of their minutes at the 4. I don't think Ben agrees with me but I think he's wrong.

I hope he attacks the wing position in the portal like the only two wings he has are Carrington and Christie and that he doesn't have any PGs.

I get that when the dust settles, he's going to have to roll out 5 guys, but I am really hoping he doesn't see JOJ and Betts as viable wings.
 

Blaming the Carlson School for the basketball team losing Battle is right up there with blaming The Administration™ for Gophers sports sucking throughout history (except for volleyball, hockey, softball, gymnastics, wrestling, baseball most years, and that one golf national championship, of course).
If not the very top of the University - then who actually is to blame for the major sports stinking for so long? Who makes the decisions and hires the coaches?
 

I think both of those guys should get the bulk of their minutes at the 4. I don't think Ben agrees with me but I think he's wrong.

I hope he attacks the wing position in the portal like the only two wings he has are Carrington and Christie and that he doesn't have any PGs.

I get that when the dust settles, he's going to have to roll out 5 guys, but I am really hoping he doesn't see JOJ and Betts as viable wings.
Betts is a 4 and hopefully gets another year to develop with limited minutes. Of course he could surprise and play his way to more time. I am hoping to see Betts in a bigger role once Garcia leaves.
 


Maybe. I say it would be typical of the U of M to make zero accommodations for the men's sports teams. I am not saying it is right or wrong, it's what they do. At a lot of sports powers, Lynch would have been playing, the Ganglehoff story gets buried, Monson's recruit Washington, gets cleared, Royce White gets to play, Pryzabilla gets through, etc.
I'm glad the U made all those decisions. I would be embarrassed otherwise.

And Carlson does their own thing they rarely bow to the pressure of the U anyways.
 
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lol.....you and GWG are digging way too deep into this comparison. I have no interest in trying to rank coaches across sports against each other. But sure to this point in his run Johnson has been even worse than Brewster.

First time head coaches, in over their heads, viewed as a disaster by the fan base, (and assuming things don't get better under Johnson) fired after just a couple of seasons.......no need to dig deeper into it than that.

Your first paragraph is all we are saying. Brewster sucks he just sucks a bit less. Neither should ever have been coaches and likely neither will be again.
 

The business analytics degree. It’s “strongly recommended,” on the applications page.

I had to do 150 credits old fashioned way for accounting as MN passed the grad school program the yr after I graduated.

Carlson had that stong recommendation for MBA when I was there too. The word from the advisor was don’t waste your app fee. I had the grades, rep, proffessors to recommend, Military time. They wanted internship or work experience or you shouldn’t apply. So I guess I wouldn’t personally be surprised if it means the same as 20 years ago.

If that is the case that isn't a U of M problem that is just unfortunate. I would hope they don't make exceptions for athletes unless they are close to the requirements.
 

Blaming the Carlson School for the basketball team losing Battle is right up there with blaming The Administration™ for Gophers sports sucking throughout history (except for volleyball, hockey, softball, gymnastics, wrestling, baseball most years, and that one golf national championship, of course).
Thank you!
 



I think both of those guys should get the bulk of their minutes at the 4. I don't think Ben agrees with me but I think he's wrong.

I hope he attacks the wing position in the portal like the only two wings he has are Carrington and Christie and that he doesn't have any PGs.

I get that when the dust settles, he's going to have to roll out 5 guys, but I am really hoping he doesn't see JOJ and Betts as viable wings.
Betts is pretty athletic:
 

Sorry but this is a terrible take and you know it. Brewster was an awful coach but his teams at least won some games. Hell Brewster won as many Big Ten games as Ben Johnson has so far...hell Brewster finished tied for 6th in the conference in 2008 Ben Johnson hasn't sniffed anything close to that.

The comparison works because of the background, but that is where it ends. Ben Johnson's career is worse than Brewsters and there is no way you can even pretend otherwise. GWG and I hardly agree on stuff but he is spot on here.

You don't see your logical fallacy...you think because GWG is saying Ben is worse that somehow is a compliment towards Brewster. It isnt. He was a 4 alarm fire, a full on disaster that set the program back. The problem is Ben Johnson would need to improve leaps and bounds to just be a 4 alarm fire. He has coached 2 years and won 6 conference games. That is a .154 winning percentage in conference. Brewster also won 6 conference games in 4 years (disgusting) but they play way less so his winning percentage is almost double. In Brewster's second year his squad improved from 1-11 (oy vey) to 7-6. (and at one point they were 7-1 with only a loss to Ohio State) Johnson went from 4-16 in the conference to 2-17. They both stink but Johnson is worse.

Neither should have been hired. Barring a miracle though Johnson will be the worse of the two if he is canned next year.
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#1 - Good for Battle. Get the degree you want.

#2 - BJ. BJ. BJ. Dude. You gotta go kick someone's ass. Unacceptable that a dedicated and talented young man serving the U as an athlete and role model can't get the degree he wants. It's not like he's asking for admission to medical school, for God's sake. This is doable, and you have to kick someone's ass. Won't change things with Battle, but this sort of thing can't happen again.
If that’s true it’s embarrassing
 




When a guy is jacking up hopeless early shots it would be difficult to know if there was an actual offense or not. And when two guys play the same position you go with the the best one and hope the other one doesn't go full me me me mode while going one for ten from NBA three range.

When that even starts you bench him. That is where Johnson lost his team. He let Battle hurt the team.
It’s so funny cuz that is what Pitino’s kids did and Ben learned game day coaching from Ben. You simply don’t hire the asst to your failure of a head coach
 

Betts is pretty athletic:
Basically get nothing from watching video from 1.5 years ago during his junior year in HS. Not to mention he hasn't been on the court since Feb/Mar 2022. We'll know something about Betts come November. I'm guessing he'll have typical freshman inconsistency. Hope he developes nicely and stays with the Gophers. Be nice if he can start the season getting 5-10 minutes per game for developmental purposes.
 

It’s so funny cuz that is what Pitino’s kids did and Ben learned game day coaching from Ben. You simply don’t hire the asst to your failure of a head coach
In fairness, you also have to consider Ben to be from the Tim Miles tree, same as Craig Smith.
 

Betts is pretty athletic:
Those are from his junior year of high school too.....but it's interesting we've heard so little about his time in practice, etc.....

People on here are drooling all over Mcandrew, but I would argue that Bett's skill-set was at least better or as good as his as a junior.
 
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#2 - BJ. BJ. BJ. Dude. You gotta go kick someone's ass. Unacceptable that a dedicated and talented young man serving the U as an athlete and role model can't get the degree he wants. It's not like he's asking for admission to medical school, for God's sake. This is doable, and you have to kick someone's ass. Won't change things with Battle, but this sort of thing can't happen again.

I've read some really dumb things in my years on this board but this has to be one of the absolute dumbest ideas yet. Let me clue you into something:

Those faculty members on the graduate admissions committee likely are tenured. Ben Johnson is not! He's not going to take them down but they could make a significant contribution to taking him down. The last thing that a coach who is already in a precarious position should do is to start a war with faculty.

I'm assuming if you're all right with a basketball coach dictating admissions policies to a faculty committee you'd also be fine with a faculty committee dictating player recruitment and athletic scholarship decisions to a basketball coach.

There's certainly nothing wrong with a basketball coach forwarding a glowing recommendation on behalf of a player to a faculty committee and imploring them to admit a player but what you're suggesting is nuts.
 

Those are from his junior year of high school too.....but it's interesting we've heard so little about his time in practice, etc.....

People on here are drooling all over Mcandrew, but I would argue that Bett's skill-set was at least better or as good as his as a junior.
That's exactly what I saw on these videos! I am excited to see Betts play this fall. People assume he is no factor, but this is the kind of athlete we need.
 

Basically get nothing from watching video from 1.5 years ago during his junior year in HS. Not to mention he hasn't been on the court since Feb/Mar 2022. We'll know something about Betts come November. I'm guessing he'll have typical freshman inconsistency. Hope he developes nicely and stays with the Gophers. Be nice if he can start the season getting 5-10 minutes per game for developmental purposes.
Well, my conclusion would be that he is probably a lot better than he was 1.5 years ago. The video looks pretty good in terms of athleticism and he has practiced with the Gophers for a year now... so my hopes are a little higher.
 

He is but I don't think I've seen any highlights of him handling the basketball.
I don't know if you watched him in this video but it shows a lot of perimeter work in it and drives the the bucket. I am not hoping for him to be a point guard but I think that the video (from a couple years ago) shows a promising enough handle and jumper to give him a shot at being a 3, where our need is greater right now than as a 4. Of course it all depends on how he develops in skills and physically. He sure looks like an above the rim player.
 

I don't know if you watched him in this video but it shows a lot of perimeter work in it and drives the the bucket. I am not hoping for him to be a point guard but I think that the video (from a couple years ago) shows a promising enough handle and jumper to give him a shot at being a 3, where our need is greater right now than as a 4. Of course it all depends on how he develops in skills and physically. He sure looks like an above the rim player.
I've watched a bunch of his highlights and I could definitely be missing something, but he plays like a PF to me. A skilled PF but not a wing at all.
 

Well, my conclusion would be that he is probably a lot better than he was 1.5 years ago. The video looks pretty good in terms of athleticism and he has practiced with the Gophers for a year now... so my hopes are a little higher.
Hope so too. Have no idea how much better (or worse) he is after practicing with the Gophers this past season. Won't be holding my breath or expecting much. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
 

I've watched a bunch of his highlights and I could definitely be missing something, but he plays like a PF to me. A skilled PF but not a wing at all.
^Concur with this take. Thinking he'll be a better back up to Garcia at the 4 than Fox or Ihnen. We'll see. Good to have options. We do need a 3 though.
 
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Blaming the Carlson School for the basketball team losing Battle is right up there with blaming The Administration™ for Gophers sports sucking throughout history (except for volleyball, hockey, softball, gymnastics, wrestling, baseball most years, and that one golf national championship, of course).
Someone alert The Administration™!

 


Someone alert The Administration™!

Wasn't running up medal counts in individual sports the strategy of the Communists? Are you making a connection between a dominant track team and our historical cultural, political, and economic adversaries? U of M loves track so we can get a bunch of trophies, while blowing off basketball because the odds are against us.;)
 

Wasn't running up medal counts in individual sports the strategy of the Communists? Are you making a connection between a dominant track team and our historical cultural, political, and economic adversaries? U of M loves track so we can get a bunch of trophies, while blowing off basketball because the odds are against us.;)
I hadn't thought of that! 😮
 




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