Buckyville Reaction to New Divisions

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Not so fast...

If you base it on the since ’93 winning %’s (assume that these will hold going forward), there are four groups. Assume for the sake of illustration that Purdue plays Iowa as a protected crossover.

Purdue and Minnesota – These two teams will play the highest average opponent winning %. They will never play less than four of the top six (OSU / MI / NU / PSU / WI / IA) in a single season. They could conceivably play all of the top six in a single season. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern – Each plays a crossover against another team in this bottom six group. They will never play less than three of the top six and could play as many as five of the top six. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Big 4 – Each plays a crossover against another ‘big 4’ team. They will never play less than three of the top six and could play as many as five of the top six. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Wisconsin and Iowa – Each plays a crossover against a bottom six group. They could play as few as two of the top six and will never play more than four of the top six. These two would play the lowest average winning % of any of the teams in the conference.
 



Well whenever someone picks a weird number like that it just sounds like selection bias to me.
 




Everyone knows college football began in 1993. After all, "Jump Around" is a tradition like no other.

Seeing Wisky bent out of shape is a wonderful bonus to this alignment....and seeing Purdue's free ride come to an end is icing on the cake.
 


badgergopher said:
If you base it on the since ’93 winning %’s (assume that these will hold going forward), there are four groups. Assume for the sake of illustration that Purdue plays Iowa as a protected crossover.

Purdue and Minnesota – These two teams will play the highest average opponent winning %. They will never play less than four of the top six (OSU / MI / NU / PSU / WI / IA) in a single season. They could conceivably play all of the top six in a single season. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern – Each plays a crossover against another team in this bottom six group. They will never play less than three of the top six and could play as many as five of the top six. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Big 4 – Each plays a crossover against another ‘big 4’ team. They will never play less than three of the top six and could play as many as five of the top six. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Wisconsin and Iowa – Each plays a crossover against a bottom six group. They could play as few as two of the top six and will never play more than four of the top six. These two would play the lowest average winning % of any of the teams in the conference.
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The Hurrin Loon's been trying that argument for days over here, you must have your ignore button on.

Merited or not, run that by them over at Buckyville, they appear to be very receptive toward it.:rolleyes:
 



Jike Spingleton said:
Ah yes, 1993....the dawning of time.
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way too much importance given to this date. Also, funny delusional quote from bucky board.


'So that leaves the following tiers:
- Ohio St / Penn St
- Nebraska / Michigan / Wisconsin
- Iowa / Michigan St
- Illinois / Purdue / NW
- Indiana / Minnesota'

Wait, what? This is just comical. Ok, I will grant that Penn State and Ohio State have been the top tier recently (Michigan too, if you discount the Rich Rod years).

However, It's funny that BUcky thinks they've been better than Iowa.

Funniest of all is that if you look at the last ten years (which is what a lot of people on the bucky board are doing) It is absurd to put Minnesota in the bottom tier with Indiana.

bowl games since 1999

Minnesota--9
Michigan State--6
Indiana--1
Illinois--3
Northwestern--5

CLEARLY the Gophers must be in the Big Ten's bottom tier.
 

I might go visit Buckeyville in a while and rub some salt in their wounds :)
 

Jike Spingleton said:
Everyone knows college football began in 1993. After all, "Jump Around" is a tradition like no other.

Seeing Wisky bent out of shape is a wonderful bonus to this alignment....and seeing Purdue's free ride come to an end is icing on the cake.
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Yah gotta admit nothing says tradition like the following:

Hail, to the victors valiant... Touching the "M Club" banner

Yea, Alabama! Drown 'em Tide! Every 'Bama man's behind you... Houndstooth

Cheer, cheer for Old Notre Dame. Wake up the echoes cheering her name... Touchdown Jesus

Fight On for ol' SC, Our men Fight On to victory... Tommy Trojan

I'll serve your ass like John McEnroe, If your girl steps up, I'm smackin' the hoe, Word to your mom's, I came to drop bombs... FUC|< YOU, EAT SH!T!

:p
 

If you want to gt your laughs its worth a visit....

Apparently Barry Alvarez is now the anti-christ.

You can't make this sh*t up.....
 

gopherguy05 said:
If you want to gt your laughs its worth a visit....

Apparently Barry Alvarez is now the anti-christ.

You can't make this sh*t up.....
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I almost feel too bad for them to enjoy it completely. We couldn't have asked for a better setup, imho, but it could have just as easily been us (and to be honest, I'm sort of surprised it wasn't) on the other side of the coin.
If I was a Badger fan, I'd be livid too. This is their reward for building the program up from the basement? Losing out on Iowa AND Nebraska?
Sure, the soft division will help them out a lot in the long run as far as national profile, wins, etc, but give me tradition and rivalries over padded records any day.
Today, I feel for the Badgers.
 


badgergopher said:
If you base it on the since ’93 winning %’s (assume that these will hold going forward), there are four groups. Assume for the sake of illustration that Purdue plays Iowa as a protected crossover.

Purdue and Minnesota – These two teams will play the highest average opponent winning %. They will never play less than four of the top six (OSU / MI / NU / PSU / WI / IA) in a single season. They could conceivably play all of the top six in a single season. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern – Each plays a crossover against another team in this bottom six group. They will never play less than three of the top six and could play as many as five of the top six. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Big 4 – Each plays a crossover against another ‘big 4’ team. They will never play less than three of the top six and could play as many as five of the top six. They will play a higher average opponent winning % than the next group.

Wisconsin and Iowa – Each plays a crossover against a bottom six group. They could play as few as two of the top six and will never play more than four of the top six. These two would play the lowest average winning % of any of the teams in the conference.
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Whatever makes you feel better Badger Troll!! I can see you mumbling these stats to yourself as you cry yourself to sleep tonight
 

As self apponted leader of the "Wisconsin Sucks" club, I'm rather enjoying their pain.

I have to say though that they're sitting preety good. Indiana, Purdue and Illinois have rarely been good. Paterno is close to retiring, and OSU, well that sucks for them. So forgetting that Minnesota is on the rise, and thinking historically now, and considering their yearly cupcake non con schedule; they are almost guaranteed an 8 win season every year. Pluck a couple of the tougher games and they are likely sitting on a ten win season every year, until the reality of suck regrips.
 

Nothing is guaranteed...

Annual victories over all of those supposed bottom-feeders is far from certain. Don't count Bucky's chickens as hatched just yet.
 

I think Penn St will be BETTER when JoePa leaves. They need some young blood to bring their program into the 21st century. With their tradition, stadium, fan support, unis and natural recruiting ground (Pennsylvania/Ohio/W Virginia/New Jersey) make Penn St one of the premier jobs in the nation, imo.
 

AhliBobwa said:
way too much importance given to this date. Also, funny delusional quote from bucky board.


'So that leaves the following tiers:
- Ohio St / Penn St
- Nebraska / Michigan / Wisconsin
- Iowa / Michigan St
- Illinois / Purdue / NW
- Indiana / Minnesota'

Wait, what? This is just comical. Ok, I will grant that Penn State and Ohio State have been the top tier recently (Michigan too, if you discount the Rich Rod years).

However, It's funny that BUcky thinks they've been better than Iowa.

Funniest of all is that if you look at the last ten years (which is what a lot of people on the bucky board are doing) It is absurd to put Minnesota in the bottom tier with Indiana.

bowl games since 1999

Minnesota--9
Michigan State--6
Indiana--1
Illinois--3
Northwestern--5

CLEARLY the Gophers must be in the Big Ten's bottom tier.
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My god you are the most delusional poster on this board.

You fault posters on buckyville for using 1993 as the selection criteria, yet that is the exact time frame the Big Ten conference used to select the divisions?

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years! I'm not going to look it up, but hasn't every B10 program won the B10 more recently than Minnesota? Hasn't every B10 team been to a Rose Bowl since the last time Minnesota has? You laugh about some lack of history for UW. The badgers have won 15 of the last 17 games against Minnesota. You all must be like 80 years old the way you talk about the gopher program.

I don't like the division alignments too much, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Whoever said UW's division is easier is out of their mind. But of course any fan base with as much envy as Minnesota's will say the other division is better. I'd definitely swap divisions with UM, but no matter what to win the conference youre going to have to go through OSU, so might as well play them in the regular season.
 


Costa Rican Gopher said:
I think Penn St will be BETTER when JoePa leaves. They need some young blood to bring their program into the 21st century. With their tradition, stadium, fan support, unis and natural recruiting ground (Pennsylvania/Ohio/W Virginia/New Jersey) make Penn St one of the premier jobs in the nation, imo.
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In theory that sounds good but that all depends who that young blood is. For all the jokes that Paterno is the butt of he still runs a pretty good program there, borderline elite in fact. It's not a slam dunk that whoever they bring in will be a step up.
 

MNBadgerGuy said:
My god you are the most delusional poster on this board.

You fault posters on buckyville for using 1993 as the selection criteria, yet that is the exact time frame the Big Ten conference used to select the divisions?

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years! I'm not going to look it up, but hasn't every B10 program won the B10 more recently than Minnesota? Hasn't every B10 team been to a Rose Bowl since the last time Minnesota has? You laugh about some lack of history for UW. The badgers have won 15 of the last 17 games against Minnesota. You all must be like 80 years old the way you talk about the gopher program.

I don't like the division alignments too much, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Whoever said UW's division is easier is out of their mind. But of course any fan base with as much envy as Minnesota's will say the other division is better. I'd definitely swap divisions with UM, but no matter what to win the conference youre going to have to go through OSU, so might as well play them in the regular season.
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I owe you an apology, BadgerGuy. I always thought that you were a cold, unimaginative, tight lipped poster. But you're really ... quite emotional. Aren't you? - Major Reisman from The Dirty Dozen
 

Gophergrrl said:
In theory that sounds good but that all depends who that young blood is. For all the jokes that Paterno is the butt of he still runs a pretty good program there, borderline elite in fact. It's not a slam dunk that whoever they bring in will be a step up.
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What she said. When you're near the top facing change, there is more downside risk than there is room for improvement. Penn State is by far and away the best recruiting school in the big ten (I didn't say they get the best recruits, that's OSU), I think once Paterno is gone you're see great attrition on their recruiting front. They are surrounded by great programs and emerging ones. It will become more and more difficult to maintain the levels as before.
 

Schnoodler said:
What she said. When you're near the top facing change, there is more downside risk than there is room for improvement. Penn State is by far and away the best recruiting school in the big ten (I didn't say they get the best recruits, that's OSU), I think once Paterno is gone you're see great attrition on their recruiting front. They are surrounded by great programs and emerging ones. It will become more and more difficult to maintain the levels as before.
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Depends on the hire. If they go with someone big- they will get evenbetter in my opinion. Personally, I think they will go hard after Kirk Ferentz (a perfect fit for them). That would be perfect IMO except that I work with a guy who is an OU alum and pretty tied in to their program and insists that Bob Stoops would leave OU for Iowa City in a heartbeat (wife wants to go back to Iowa). In that case, it would really suck.
 


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