Buckyville Reaction to New Divisions

[RedPoo]

Just a hunch...

The more I look at the raw deal WI got on this, the more it seems like there has to be more to it. Wisconsin is too important to the Big Ten to jerk around like this without some compensation.

I just read this, from Jim Delaney; "We are not closing our door to outdoor football."

If I were a betting man, I'd consider putting down some money that we'll be seeing a Big Ten Championship game or two in Wisconsin in the near future.

What else can the conference do for the Badgers? And why, all the sudden, do I care?

 

[gopherbadgerman]

Funniest of all is that if you look at the last ten years (which is what a lot of people on the bucky board are doing) It is absurd to put Minnesota in the bottom tier with Indiana.

bowl games since 1999

Minnesota--9
Michigan State--6
Indiana--1
Illinois--3
Northwestern--5

CLEARLY the Gophers must be in the Big Ten's bottom tier.

I agree that Minny does not belong with Indiana and that Wisky and Iowa are fairly equal. But bowl games dont mean crap anymore. The gopher bowl games the last ten years are equal to the BB team making the NIT.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

My god you are the most delusional poster on this board.

You fault posters on buckyville for using 1993 as the selection criteria, yet that is the exact time frame the Big Ten conference used to select the divisions?

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years! I'm not going to look it up, but hasn't every B10 program won the B10 more recently than Minnesota? Hasn't every B10 team been to a Rose Bowl since the last time Minnesota has? You laugh about some lack of history for UW. The badgers have won 15 of the last 17 games against Minnesota. You all must be like 80 years old the way you talk about the gopher program.

I don't like the division alignments too much, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Whoever said UW's division is easier is out of their mind. But of course any fan base with as much envy as Minnesota's will say the other division is better. I'd definitely swap divisions with UM, but no matter what to win the conference youre going to have to go through OSU, so might as well play them in the regular season.

This is a very good post. I agree Wisky got the shaft, but overall I think it was a pretty good job by the B10. Someone was gonna be pissed one way or another.

 

[mplsbadger]

I'm with the badger guy who said he'd gladly switch with Minnesota. However if asked to answer the simple straightforward question, 'Did your path to the big ten title just get easier or harder?'. I think the answer for Iowa and Wisconsin is 'easier', and the answer for the gophers is 'harder'. I'd still accept the swap, and would even have accepted a geographical with Penn state in the west, whatever disadvantages it might have brought. For me, college football is about the season. Only two teams will play for the title every year. If you are the other ten aren't you comforted that you got to play the teams you wanted to play? The gophers get that, Wisconsin does not.

 

[GoAUpher]

I agree that Minny does not belong with Indiana and that Wisky and Iowa are fairly equal. But bowl games dont mean crap anymore. The gopher bowl games the last ten years are equal to the BB team making the NIT.

Have to agree partially with this. Many of those bowl games were due to cupcake NC teams not successful B10 seasons. That said, I think we can all agree that this "MN is like Indiana" talk is nonsense.

 

[Schnoodler]

I think Wiscy got the best thing for them. They like to back there way into good bowl games and nice records. Now they can. So they get beat by OSU and PSU and maybe one other team, still makes them 9-3. Just how they like it. Who cares that they didn't beat anybody on the way to the record. It works for them.

I think it's a great fit for Wisconsin. Still don't get all the whining, outside of Gophergrrls rational explantation.

 

[buddylee853]

I'm glad Wisconsuck got the shaft. It tickles me, really, and I don't know why

 

[TAW]

I'm with the badger guy who said he'd gladly switch with Minnesota. However if asked to answer the simple straightforward question, 'Did your path to the big ten title just get easier or harder?'. I think the answer for Iowa and Wisconsin is 'easier', and the answer for the gophers is 'harder'. I'd still accept the swap, and would even have accepted a geographical with Penn state in the west, whatever disadvantages it might have brought. For me, college football is about the season. Only two teams will play for the title every year. If you are the other ten aren't you comforted that you got to play the teams you wanted to play? The gophers get that, Wisconsin does not.

I agree completely with this. I think we got hosed, but temper it slightly by the thought that both Barry and 2Beez say they are happy with it. They just may know more about college football than me.

 

[buddylee853]

My god you are the most delusional poster on this board.

You fault posters on buckyville for using 1993 as the selection criteria, yet that is the exact time frame the Big Ten conference used to select the divisions?

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years! I'm not going to look it up, but hasn't every B10 program won the B10 more recently than Minnesota? Hasn't every B10 team been to a Rose Bowl since the last time Minnesota has? You laugh about some lack of history for UW. The badgers have won 15 of the last 17 games against Minnesota. You all must be like 80 years old the way you talk about the gopher program.

I don't like the division alignments too much, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Whoever said UW's division is easier is out of their mind. But of course any fan base with as much envy as Minnesota's will say the other division is better. I'd definitely swap divisions with UM, but no matter what to win the conference youre going to have to go through OSU, so might as well play them in the regular season.

Lol, damn. Easy, Sally Sensitive..

 

[chi-town gopher]

My god you are the most delusional poster on this board.

You fault posters on buckyville for using 1993 as the selection criteria, yet that is the exact time frame the Big Ten conference used to select the divisions?

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years! I'm not going to look it up, but hasn't every B10 program won the B10 more recently than Minnesota? Hasn't every B10 team been to a Rose Bowl since the last time Minnesota has? You laugh about some lack of history for UW. The badgers have won 15 of the last 17 games against Minnesota. You all must be like 80 years old the way you talk about the gopher program.

I don't like the division alignments too much, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Whoever said UW's division is easier is out of their mind. But of course any fan base with as much envy as Minnesota's will say the other division is better. I'd definitely swap divisions with UM, but no matter what to win the conference youre going to have to go through OSU, so might as well play them in the regular season.

What do you expect people to say? Oh man it is so great to be middle of the pack most years? I think 1993 was a fair year to select as the measuring stick it was PSU's first year in the Big Ten, but every team that isn't OSU/Michigan would prefer to include the darkest days in their team's history off the record. Wisconsin went 14-41 from 1988-1992, one of their worst stretches in the program's history. Minnesota went 16-39 from 1992-1996, one of their worst stretches in the program's history. Would you be upset if you got knocked down the pecking order because the team sucked in 1988? Neither 5 year period really matters now, but the Goph's record at that time was factored into the decision and that bothered a lot of our fans.

We may act like 80 year olds, but you act like 16 year olds thinking that Wisconsin is some kind of athletic powerhouse. You've had some recent success, but you aren't OSU. You are an above average program and the split just reminds you of that fact, which we find funny. As far as being a fan base that envies other teams, you are right. We do envy other programs. Just not yours.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

What do you expect people to say? Oh man it is so great to be middle of the pack most years? I think 1993 was a fair year to select as the measuring stick it was PSU's first year in the Big Ten, but every team that isn't OSU/Michigan would prefer to include the darkest days in their team's history off the record. Wisconsin went 14-41 from 1988-1992, one of their worst stretches in the program's history. Minnesota went 16-39 from 1992-1996, one of their worst stretches in the program's history. Would you be upset if you got knocked down the pecking order because the team sucked in 1988? Neither 5 year period really matters now, but the Goph's record at that time was factored into the decision and that bothered a lot of our fans.

We may act like 80 year olds, but you act like 16 year olds thinking that Wisconsin is some kind of athletic powerhouse. You've had some recent success, but you aren't OSU. You are an above average program and the split just reminds you of that fact, which we find funny. As far as being a fan base that envies other teams, you are right. We do envy other programs. Just not yours.

Incorrect, Wisconsin is an athletic powerhouse. In fact CBS Sportsline ranked them #4 in the country in FB/BB programs. Most Gopher fans would kill to have the results over the passt 20 years that Wisconsin has had in FB.

 

[Gophergrrl]

You know that site that people go to for scores if ESPN, Yahoo, Fox Sports, the Sporting News and CNNSI are down? Well

 

[chi-town gopher]

Incorrect, Wisconsin is an athletic powerhouse. In fact CBS Sportsline ranked them #4 in the country in FB/BB programs. Most Gopher fans would kill to have the results over the passt 20 years that Wisconsin has had in FB.

I would kill to have the same number of national titles over that span. Oh wait, the Gophers have the same number. Even you have to admit the #4 ranking is nuts for a team that has never even been in a title game. Come on.

 

[Schnoodler]

I believe they're getting a bit of strength off of a pretty good basketball team over a good period of time. Few teams are above average in both as Wiscy has been able to do. But neither is elite as that ranking is being improperly used to imply.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

I agree with both of the above posts. IMO, I think they are a top 10 FB/BB program, not top 4...

But my main point is that I think you can argue that they are an athletic powerhouse. Lots of $$ for sports in Madison.

I still think that Minny is hurt by this being a pro sports town and not a college town like most the other B10 schools. I would much rather live here, so much more to do, but I do think it hurts the program.

 

[AhliBobwa]

My god you are the most delusional poster on this board.

You fault posters on buckyville for using 1993 as the selection criteria, yet that is the exact time frame the Big Ten conference used to select the divisions?

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years! I'm not going to look it up, but hasn't every B10 program won the B10 more recently than Minnesota? Hasn't every B10 team been to a Rose Bowl since the last time Minnesota has? You laugh about some lack of history for UW. The badgers have won 15 of the last 17 games against Minnesota. You all must be like 80 years old the way you talk about the gopher program.

I don't like the division alignments too much, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. Whoever said UW's division is easier is out of their mind. But of course any fan base with as much envy as Minnesota's will say the other division is better. I'd definitely swap divisions with UM, but no matter what to win the conference youre going to have to go through OSU, so might as well play them in the regular season.

Literally NONE of what you're ranting about applies to me.

I've stated any random start point is arbitrary. There's nothing about the Big Ten using 1993 as a starting point that makes it less than arbitrary. 1999 is also arbitrary. When did I ever laugh about a lack of history for the Badgers? Did I register an opinion on which division was more difficult? Do you scream at the moon sometimes because you feel that it's beams have wronged you as well?

What makes it acceptable for you to call me 'the most delusional poster on this board' when I've never said ANYTHING you've accused me of saying? Don't put words in my mouth to make yourself feel better about going on an immature, angst ridden rant.

You really need to breathe more. deep cleansing breaths...

As for Minnesota's place in the Big Ten. It's not at the bottom with Indiana that is for sure. Minnesota has been to more bowl games than Michigan State, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, etc. The Gophers have winning records in the last 10 years against intra-division foes Michigan State (6-2 including 3 straight) and Northwestern (5-4 including a W last year).

The Gophers have not been anywhere near elite in my lifetime, and I've literally never said that they have. But this isn't a team that has been scraping bottom like Indiana either.

 

[MrGopher]

The absolute best part of all this is how wisconsin got the shaft by none other than...... Nebraska. We all owe the Husker brass a big ole hug for wanting to play us. wisky folks like to discredit anything before 1993 as ancient irrelevant history.... well, when your own AD, who has strong ties to the Nebraska AD, is instrumental in bringing Nebraska into the fold, you have to realize that Nebraska has virtually no history against you. In fact, they have a very long history with your top rival. And Nebraska, who many believe is the pinnacle of college football pride and tradition, would rather honor that history, ancient or not, than play you idiots who have only been relevant for a decade and a half.

There will be no "Big Red" rivalry, no season ending trophy game. Nebraska will always be the "Big Red" of the conference anyway. Alvarez is not your hero. It will cost you a budding annual rivalry with Iowa. Your "golden years" are not as important to the rest of the world as you think they are. Just because you idiots have no respect for Minnesota history does not mean that nobody does. And I don't even care if Nebraska wanted to play us because they probably will own us (at least at first). Nebraska knew it was giving the shaft to you by demanding Minnesota, and they gladly went through with it.

wisconsin..... tonight I laugh at you. You very much deserve it.

 

[Unregistered User]

...act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan...

Yes...historic. We'll take our 6 National Championships. How is your National Championship trophy case looking? And by the way, you are still trailing us in B10 championships and overall record. Go piss and moan on buckyville, not here.

 

[RodentRampage]

If the Big Ten expands further, would that mean that Wisconsin would be moved to the West?

 

[GopherHomer]

Don't forget about Wisconsin's baseball team....they haven't lost a game in years.

 

[positively4thstreet]

Incorrect, Wisconsin is an athletic powerhouse. In fact CBS Sportsline ranked them #4 in the country in FB/BB programs. Most Gopher fans would kill to have the results over the passt 20 years that Wisconsin has had in FB.

We're happy for you. Who ranked them?

You know that site that people go to for scores if ESPN, Yahoo, Fox Sports, the Sporting News and CNNSI are down? Well

This.

 

[Bayfieldgopher]

The absolute best part of all this is how wisconsin got the shaft by none other than...... Nebraska. We all owe the Husker brass a big ole hug for wanting to play us. wisky folks like to discredit anything before 1993 as ancient irrelevant history.... well, when your own AD, who has strong ties to the Nebraska AD, is instrumental in bringing Nebraska into the fold, you have to realize that Nebraska has virtually no history against you. In fact, they have a very long history with your top rival. And Nebraska, who many believe is the pinnacle of college football pride and tradition, would rather honor that history, ancient or not, than play you idiots who have only been relevant for a decade and a half.

There will be no "Big Red" rivalry, no season ending trophy game. Nebraska will always be the "Big Red" of the conference anyway. Alvarez is not your hero. It will cost you a budding annual rivalry with Iowa. Your "golden years" are not as important to the rest of the world as you think they are. Just because you idiots have no respect for Minnesota history does not mean that nobody does. And I don't even care if Nebraska wanted to play us because they probably will own us (at least at first). Nebraska knew it was giving the shaft to you by demanding Minnesota, and they gladly went through with it.

wisconsin..... tonight I laugh at you. You very much deserve it.

Very well said MrGopher!

Shows how much influence the Bucky arrogance has!

 

[50PoundHead]

Everyone knows college football began in 1993.

Whew! I was having nightmares about a guy named Bear Bryant. Glad to know he's a fictional character.

I wonder who is going to win the Charlie Ward Trophy for being college football's top player this season.

 

[chi-town gopher]

I agree with both of the above posts. IMO, I think they are a top 10 FB/BB program, not top 4...

But my main point is that I think you can argue that they are an athletic powerhouse. Lots of $$ for sports in Madison.

I still think that Minny is hurt by this being a pro sports town and not a college town like most the other B10 schools. I would much rather live here, so much more to do, but I do think it hurts the program.

I guess I don't care about the money, but I certainly can't argue against your point because I have no idea where they stack in terms of dollars. Top 10 seems a little high to me, but maybe my hate is blinding me.

Most Gopher fans would agree with your second point.

 

[dpodoll68]

Bob Stoops would leave OU for Iowa City in a heartbeat

I'd believe it. Played for Iowa, GA under Fry, and if I remember right, basically begged Iowa to give him the job in '99. They went with Ferentz instead because he had some previous HC experience. Couldn't have gone wrong either way, really.

But I don't believe Ferentz would leave for Penn St. I understand that he did most of his playing and early coaching in the OH/PA/New England area, but is it really a step up? He has his program at Iowa right where he wants it after a decade-plus, is making mad bank, and has been recruiting like crazy. The only potential upside to Penn St. is easier access to a more fertile recruiting ground. But for what he wants to do with his roster, would it really be any easier/better for him at Penn St. than it is at Iowa? I don't think so. The only way I see Ferentz leaving Iowa is if he decides he really wants to try his turn in the NFL, and if some team (who is not terrible) really wants him.

 

[Bisker82]

It brings joy to my black heart.

After reading some of your post I have come to the conclusion;

You Rock!!!

 

[Bo Darville]

Where do you place your Gopher program since 1993 in the Big Ten pecking order then? I always try to keep my negative Gopher stuff to myself, but many here act like Gopher football is some historic college football titan when the fact of the matter is they have been irrelevant for close to 50 years!

You, sir, have evidently never heard of the Music City Bowl.

 

[MrGopher]

the Music City Bowl.

One of the best things to happen to Tennessee.

It breaks down like this:

1. Elvis
2. Lane Kiffin
3. BasilMarceaux.com
4. Music City Bowl
5. Losing the Civil War