All Things COVID-19 College Football Impact

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MplsGopher said:
But there’s no difference between starting in October and Tgiving, we’ve been told repeatedly. Therefore, if they start at Tgiving, then there will be a season.
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Once you miss the window of being qualified to play in the CFP... It’s not happening.
 


MplsGopher said:
If some players want to play, that therefore forces the university to assume the risk of having the team?

The university gets a choice, too.
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If universities give students both options, I’d hope our legal system doesn’t expose them.
 

MplsGopher said:
Because, reasons.

Neat arbitrary declaration.
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How is that arbitrary? If a player tears an ACL they will miss 2 seasons. Teams like the Gophers and Buckeyes with CFP aspirations would rather focus on getting ready for next year (and staying healthy for next year - from injuries I guess I need to clarify). No one cared at Rutgers anyways. How is risk of COVID going to be lower bringing 4 different teams to an indoor stadium for a weekend than playing outdoors with only 1 team having to travel? Too many variables, no way 10 teams will agree on enough to start a season.
 

So if you were running the B1G, how in conference OLine deaths are acceptable?

When you have coaches pushing these guys to gain weight, the optics could get really ugly really quick. Playing football if classes are not in person adds another layer of culpability.

Personally I want them to play, I am not responsible and it won't affect me if it goes bad so let it rip.
 
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Wally said:
So if you were running the B1G, how in conference OLine deaths are acceptable?

When you have coaches pushing these guys to gain weight, the optics could get really ugly really quick. Playing football if classes are not in person adds another layer of culpability.

Personally I want them to play, I am not responsible and it won't affect me if it goes bad so let it rip.
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Nobody should be forced to play...
 


PoockItInfor6 said:
The argument is that people should have the choice. That’s it. If anyone feels any extra risk (if there is any) playing football, they should be able to choose not to play. If that risk is worth it to others... they should be able to play. I saw an article noting that 26,000 cases had been confirmed at US universities (not sure if this kid’s college doesn’t report or what) and there were 0 Hospitalizations.
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I know you're not new the world. Ever since Hank Gathers collapsed and died during a basketball game, many colleges have never given athletes the choice when there is a possible medical risk. See: Jarvis Johnson on the Gopher hoops team. So why would that change now?

Also, the table you posted about hospitalizations is kinda irrelevant now, isn't it? The OP states that a current student AND athlete died from COVID complications.
 




KoolAid said:
Very misleading. I think the better title would be, "20-year old dies from Covid-19 Complications"

He wasn't playing football and they've given no details on his complications.
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I specify that in the post. Given that this is the football forum, posting something with the title you suggested gives no context for why it's being posted in this forum...

Regardless, I have seen some claim a football player won't die and this disapproves that (I don't have time to go search through the thousands of posts to find specific instances, but given the vast spectrum of perspectives on here it's not hard to imagine there are some posts that exist). The fact of the matter is that BMI is a risk factor (as PE pointed out) and I would be worried in general as an OL because playing means staying at a higher BMI
 



MN-Moose said:
www.post-gazette.com

Obituary: Jamain ‘Juice’ Stephens was a larger-than-life personality

Stephens was a Central Catholic graduate and senior football player at California University of Pennsylvania.
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No real new info, but he seemed like a great kid.
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Certainly seems like he was and it's too bad that is going to be lost in the endless trying to win an argument game. I supposed it'll be seen as playing that game, but it's striking, and sad, how all these deaths and the pain suffered by families has been minimalized in all the political fighting. A hell of a lot of people have died and it's warranted no more than a shrug by some. It's just a number until a face is put on it and you find out more about the person. I guess that's the way it's always been.
 




MN-Moose said:
www.post-gazette.com

Obituary: Jamain ‘Juice’ Stephens was a larger-than-life personality

Stephens was a Central Catholic graduate and senior football player at California University of Pennsylvania.
www.post-gazette.com www.post-gazette.com

No real new info, but he seemed like a great kid.
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Sad story, RIP.

Mr. Stephens’ death was initially believed to be from COVID-19 complications, according to a Facebook post Tuesday from Central Catholic. But on Wednesday, the school said it “mistakenly attributed his death without official confirmation on cause” and apologized for the error.

If he didn't actually die of COVID-19, which seems possible, this likely doesn't receive the attention it has been getting thanks to the headline.
 

Mulligan said:
Certainly seems like he was and it's too bad that is going to be lost in the endless trying to win an argument game. I supposed it'll be seen as playing that game, but it's striking, and sad, how all these deaths and the pain suffered by families has been minimalized in all the political fighting. A hell of a lot of people have died and it's warranted no more than a shrug by some. It's just a number until a face is put on it and you find out more about the person. I guess that's the way it's always been.
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Well stated. I feel the same way about all the deaths that have occurred in the last 4-6 months from suicide and increased alcohol and drug use/abuse because of the psychological impacts of the lockdowns and restrictions that nobody is talking about at all. Warrants nothing more than a shrug from the MSM it seems. Seriously tragic, no doubt about it.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Sad story, RIP.

Mr. Stephens’ death was initially believed to be from COVID-19 complications, according to a Facebook post Tuesday from Central Catholic. But on Wednesday, the school said it “mistakenly attributed his death without official confirmation on cause” and apologized for the error.

If he didn't actually die of COVID-19, which seems possible, this likely doesn't receive the attention it has been getting thanks to the headline.
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It looks like the newspaper did an edit after I posted the article. Nice catch.
 



Ogee Oglethorpe said:
Well stated. I feel the same way about all the deaths that have occurred in the last 4-6 months from suicide and increased alcohol and drug use/abuse because of the psychological impacts of the lockdowns and restrictions that nobody is talking about at all. Warrants nothing more than a shrug from the MSM it seems. Seriously tragic, no doubt about it.
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I've done more drugs than ever since this lockdown began. Crushing it at my career. Headed towards buying a home very soon and a wedding. What's so tragic about that?

I think you're making some big assumptions about drugs when the fact is that most people that do them recreationally really enjoy themselves and still lead very functional lives. Too much Nancy Reagan for you, IMO
 

PoockItInfor6 said:
The argument is that people should have the choice. That’s it. If anyone feels any extra risk (if there is any) playing football, they should be able to choose not to play. If that risk is worth it to others... they should be able to play.
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I agree with the sentiment of this, but I get the feeling that even if you have players sign waivers that the schools could still be held liable for their death and be sued. And that's what schools are afraid of.
 

howeda7 said:
If he had been playing football would his outcome be any different?
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Possibly. Perhaps different socialization choices, peer pressure to avoid crowds and stay in the “bubble”. At the power 5 level (unsure about lower levels) increased monitoring for cardiac problems and access to top facilities and physicians that may not be available at home.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
The headline is "college football player dies" because that is what he was known as.

Now, if certain members of this board died, the headline would read

"Internet tough guy dies of covid-19 complications."
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A corollary: “if they supported my opinions it’s a tragedy. If they opposed my opinions they got what’s coming to them, the stupid POS”
 

WriterGoph said:
Yes, there are plenty of posts on here going on and on about how the death rate is basically zero among those outside of nursing homes.
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Well, I disagree. I’d ask you for proof but that’s a Mpls-type sea lion attack. Well agree to disagree.
 

WriterGoph said:
I've done more drugs than ever since this lockdown began. Crushing it at my career. Headed towards buying a home very soon and a wedding. What's so tragic about that?

I think you're making some big assumptions about drugs when the fact is that most people that do them recreationally really enjoy themselves and still lead very functional lives. Too much Nancy Reagan for you, IMO
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Any suggestions?
 

WriterGoph said:
The whole argument has been that young people really won't die from this - especially athletes. So what now?
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You do understand that men have died playing fb and no one has ever said we should cancel the season or stop playing fb all together. But someone who played fb dies from complications from Covid and we should shut down the fb season.

so it’s ok to die playing fb? I’m just curious how you reconcile this.
 

GO4INLALALAND said:
You do understand that men have died playing fb and no one has ever said we should cancel the season or stop playing fb all together. But someone who played fb dies from complications from Covid and we should shut down the fb season.

so it’s ok to die playing fb? I’m just curious how you reconcile this.
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It happens every year
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Nobody has ever said that.
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Come now Pompous Elitist, you mean to tell me you already forgot about @GoldenRodents? They've been making this argument from the beginning! Don't worry though, I've pulled out the highlights to jog your memory (I've bolded the important bits of each quote for you too):
GoldenRodents said:
Our guys should try to get infected...better now than later and they have practically zero risk of a serious illness.
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GoldenRodents said:
If you are in fragile health, stay secluded, don't expect mask wearing to save you.

The virus is running out of fragile people to infect.

The great thing is that the Infection Mortality Rate is tiny compared to original estimates...and almost nil for the young and healthy.

When they ever get around to publishing random population antibody test, we will know what a clusterf# this was.


Go Gophers.
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GoldenRodents said:
By September, this epidemic will have wound down, signs its happening in the south already, deaths are way down, infection detection is way up, listen folks, for must people it is a vary minor disease. The level of risk people healthy people would be taking on is microscopic. Let's go Gophers!
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GoldenRodents said:
Yes, and at this point, SARSCOV2 is less dangerous than the 2017-2018 flu season.

It is extremely infectious, which means that the infection/mortality rate is extremely low. Most cases are mild, often milder than the flu. Student athletes have virtually zero risk, basically any healthy 75 year old as very little risk, not enough to withdraw from society.

We have never stopped the world because of influenza, why are we doing it for SARSCOV2?

The actual deaths in the United States are exaggerated because a large percentage of actual SARSCOV2 death are among those with end of life care directives, many would not have survived the year anyway. Check the actual deaths year-to-date with last year. It is a mild blip and may disappear by year end.

The only panic porn points left are (1) long term damage, (2) temporary immunity. Both of these are unproven speculative or anecdotal and go against generations of immunological science.

Check the graphs, California, Arizona, Texas, Florida hospitals are busy but managing fine. This is exactly what we want, let the disease run its course and achieve herd immunity while the virus moderates over time.

So why wouldn't you open schools and fill stadiums?
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GoldenRodents said:
Average age 80 years, many with end-of-life directives in place. Chance of a child or university student dying? 1 in a million. This is a disease that takes out the sick, we let it take out our economy, the consequences will be much more lethal, only Bolsheviks and Maoists could be pleased.

Here is what happened at a Georgia youth camp

" During June 21–27, occupancy of the 31 cabins averaged 15 persons per cabin (range = 1–26); median cabin attack rate was 50% (range = 22%–70%) among 28 cabins that had one or more cases. Among 136 cases with available symptom data, 36 (26%) patients reported no symptoms; among 100 (74%) who reported symptoms, those most commonly reported were subjective or documented fever (65%), headache (61%), and sore throat (46%). "
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GoldenRodents said:
So what? They all will be fine. Suit up the freshman.
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GoldenRodents said:
So what? Every single one of the football players will recover. Healthy young people bounce back quickly from this. Do we shut down the country for the flu?

This is the weakness of your argument. Why pretend this is a terminal or chronic disease. It's not for healthy young people. And most of the deaths are among those close to death.

So hide the aged and infirm and let the rest of us live.

Just like Sweden and South Dakota.
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In conclusion: You can't play the "Nobody has ever said that." card when, in fact, the user that has been arguably one of the most vocal on this board about COVID has been making that exact argument on numerous occasions.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Any suggestions?
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Ketamine, MDMA, Mushrooms. They'll all get you to a very fine place. :p

Obviously I am not here advocating for crack, heroin, opiates or meth. Not anything to be gained from experimenting with those - but yes, I'm sure there are people abusing those moreso during lockdown

My main point is that you can't paint a broad brush and cover all recreational drugs in this day and age. Which is why many are being decriminalized, legalized and used for medical/therapeutic purposes more than ever.
 

WriterGoph said:
I've done more drugs than ever since this lockdown began. Crushing it at my career. Headed towards buying a home very soon and a wedding. What's so tragic about that?

I think you're making some big assumptions about drugs when the fact is that most people that do them recreationally really enjoy themselves and still lead very functional lives. Too much Nancy Reagan for you, IMO
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Uhhhhh, is it your contention that the lockdowns and restrictions since March have not caused significant psychological impacts to people around the country, particularly younger people, resulting in a variety of "unintended consequences" among the younger generation in particular? No increase at all in suicide, depression, alcohol and drug use, domestic violence, et al?

This should be good...
 

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