24/7 Recruiting Ranks

[Dontbeadumbamerican]

Since the administration looks at recruiting ranks in determining your job as a head coach, I find it ironic that in 2016 they ranked us 46 under Claeys and in 2017 they ranked us 55 under Fleck.. We took a step back.


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[GopherHusky]

Not this crap again...move on and row the damn boat.

 

[PMWinSTP]

Since the administration looks at recruiting ranks in determining your job as a head coach, I find it ironic that in 2016 they ranked us 46 under Claeys and in 2017 they ranked us 55 under Fleck.. We took a step back.


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That makes way too much sense, is over-simplifying the situation, is not apples to apples, etc, etc, etc.

Prepare to get hammered by the Hire PJ crowd.

 

[MennoSota]

It's all Claeys fault...

 

[GFBfan]

The comment isn't about Coach Fleck, it's about the complete tool of an AD who made the dumas` comment in the first place to "justify" the change when all he really needed to say is we are moving in a new direction.
It is kind of ironic that we HAD to change coaches because of our low recruiting rankings and now we are ranked lower than before.
I know, I know, Fleck only had a few weeks to round up recruits so there is that, but nobody can say for certain that Claeys and his staff wouldn't have been able to bring in a similar class, because his tenure was ended before he had the chance to finalize it.
Next year, Fleck will have a chance to improve the recruiting ranking and possibly sign some highly regarded players. Time will tell and I am hoping that he can do that. Not only that, I also want to see him coach up the players and turn the U into a Big West and BIG contender every year. Ski-U-Mah!

 

[MNVCGUY]

The comment isn't about Coach Fleck, it's about the complete tool of an AD who made the dumas` comment in the first place to "justify" the change when all he really needed to say is we are moving in a new direction.
It is kind of ironic that we HAD to change coaches because of our low recruiting rankings and now we are ranked lower than before.
I know, I know, Fleck only had a few weeks to round up recruits so there is that, but nobody can say for certain that Claeys and his staff wouldn't have been able to bring in a similar class, because he tenure was ended before he had the chance to finalize it.
Next year, Fleck will have a chance to improve the recruiting ranking and possibly sign some highly regarded players. Time will tell and I am hoping that he can do that. Not only that, I also want to see him coach up the players and turn the U into a Big West and BIG contender every year. Ski-U-Mah!

The part in bold is the reason why the OPs comment is just pointless to begin with. Positive or negative you really can't judge Fleck's recruiting ability based on this year's class because he has had such a short window to recruit from a position as a power 5 coach. Coyle did step in it to a degree with the recruiting comment but I don't think he was totally off base either. But anyone that looks at the ranking of this class and holds it against Fleck is just looking for a reason not to like the guy.

Time will tell if he can get it done on the recruiting trail. Kill/Claeys were good at building a solid roster but they weren't able to find the guys to take us over the top (obviously Claeys didn't have enough time to completely prove he would have been better, but signs were pointing to him bringing in very similar athletes to what Jerry was getting). People have gotten sick of the term elite already but the reality is that it is going to take some elite players at key positions for us to move from an also ran to a true contender in the division and conference.

 

[PMWinSTP]

That makes way too much sense, is over-simplifying the situation, is not apples to apples, etc, etc, etc.

Prepare to get hammered by the Hire PJ crowd.

Hate when I'm right...

 

[Dontbeadumbamerican]

The comment isn't about Coach Fleck, it's about the complete tool of an AD who made the dumas` comment in the first place to "justify" the change when all he really needed to say is we are moving in a new direction.
It is kind of ironic that we HAD to change coaches because of our low recruiting rankings and now we are ranked lower than before.
I know, I know, Fleck only had a few weeks to round up recruits so there is that, but nobody can say for certain that Claeys and his staff wouldn't have been able to bring in a similar class, because he tenure was ended before he had the chance to finalize it.
Next year, Fleck will have a chance to improve the recruiting ranking and possibly sign some highly regarded players. Time will tell and I am hoping that he can do that. Not only that, I also want to see him coach up the players and turn the U into a Big West and BIG contender every year. Ski-U-Mah!

I want Fleck to succeed as well, I really do and yes I am season tix holder. It was a shot at our AD who by all means seems to be a tool. However, it just really rubbed me the wrong way they handled Claey's firing and a part of me wants to see Coyle fail miserably along with Kaler.


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[Gopher04]

1. Taking over a recruiting class a month from signing day is hard
2. If you want to see Coyle and Kaler fail, you should quit being a Gopher fan.

 

[GFBfan]

Coyle sunk in it all the way over his head.
We have been a program on the rise since the start of the Kill era. Claeys really didn't have a chance to continue that success. His low buyout and lack of admin support really made it a difficult year for him.
The support Fleck has gotten from the admin will be very beneficial in all areas of the program. Along with the new Athletes village and his never ending energy to recruit, he looks to be someone who will bring in a different caliber of athlete. Lets hope those athletes can take us to new levels not seen around here for a really long time.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

1. Taking over a recruiting class a month from signing day is hard
2. If you want to see Coyle and Kaler fail, you should quit being a Gopher fan.

What about his post made you think he doesn't want a higher rated class?

You don't think it's at all ironic that our AD mentioned recruiting class ranking as a reason for getting rid of Claeys and we have a worse one this year than last year?

I'm not down on this recruiting class, but it just shows how idiotic that comment by Coyle was.

 

[60's Guy]

The comment isn't about Coach Fleck, it's about the complete tool of an AD who made the dumas` comment in the first place to "justify" the change when all he really needed to say is we are moving in a new direction.
It is kind of ironic that we HAD to change coaches because of our low recruiting rankings and now we are ranked lower than before.
I know, I know, Fleck only had a few weeks to round up recruits so there is that, but nobody can say for certain that Claeys and his staff wouldn't have been able to bring in a similar class, because his tenure was ended before he had the chance to finalize it.
Next year, Fleck will have a chance to improve the recruiting ranking and possibly sign some highly regarded players. Time will tell and I am hoping that he can do that. Not only that, I also want to see him coach up the players and turn the U into a Big West and BIG contender every year. Ski-U-Mah!

It's about Coyle. He also said we needed to do better academically, then in the next breath he says how we are tops in the country academically. There was no reason to rip the coaching staff or Tracy. All he did was make PJ's job more difficult. He harped on the culture change and the fired coaches were in bible study with like 80 of 120 kids. They were all solid people. Just say I decided to make a change and praise the groundwork that they put in place. 9 and 4 is a nice season but we hired our new coach to take us to the next step, all the way to the top.

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

What about his post made you think he doesn't want a higher rated class?

You don't think it's at all ironic that our AD mentioned recruiting class ranking as a reason for getting rid of Claeys and we have a worse one this year than last year?

I'm not down on this recruiting class, but it just shows how idiotic that comment by Coyle was.

Except it's only worse according to one site. And it would have been far worse had Claeys stayed.

 

[Maverick]

I want Fleck to succeed as well, I really do and yes I am season tix holder. It was a shot at our AD who by all means seems to be a tool. However, it just really rubbed me the wrong way they handled Claey's firing and a part of me wants to see Coyle fail miserably along with Kaler.

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Coyle has already failed and a good (I hope) hire does not make up for his multiple failures. Now he should be fired and it's over with.

 

[Dontbeadumbamerican]

1. Taking over a recruiting class a month from signing day is hard
2. If you want to see Coyle and Kaler fail, you should quit being a Gopher fan.

1) He pretty much brought his entire recruiting class from WMU.. which entails this conversation of 1 minute like this

PJ Fleck: "Hey bro it's PJ..ahhhhh so I am at Minnesota now sorry about the short notice but you wannna play in the Big 10 instead of the MAC? Ummm lets see here, we have a bigger stadium, and ahhhh...oh yeah a new athletics complex being built, hmmm what else can I tell you, oh yeah Big Ten Network. Yep forgot about that one, that's a elite one haha.

Recruit: " Do you have a scholly for me, and do we get to say Row the Boat?"

PJ Fleck: "Yep, sure do"

Recruit: "Ok see you in MN"

PJ Fleck: "Sweet, later and Row The Boat"

2) Mutually exclusive, I can root for the Gophers and be a fan and still not want Coyle or Kaler.


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[I Want 2 Win]

1. Taking over a recruiting class a month from signing day is hard
2. If you want to see Coyle and Kaler fail, you should quit being a Gopher fan.

I am pro Coyle and anti-Claeys, yet I still think people can want Coyle and Kaler to fail and still be a Gopher fan. The decision to hate the administration is totally wanting a better product in the end for the university.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

Except it's only worse according to one site. And it would have been far worse had Claeys stayed.

Yeah, there is very little in college football that matters less than recruiting team rankings, so I don't follow it (it wasn't my point that I brought up). However, I think that was the OP's point.

As to your second point, you have absolutely no idea that it would have been worse.

 

[60's Guy]

Except it's only worse according to one site. And it would have been far worse had Claeys stayed.

Last year Claeys recruited half his class in January. Their MO was to evaluate the recruits as late as possible. Regardless of site numbers...the 2016 class was an excellent group. What 7 plus freshman played well this year. Also, not easy to recruit when AD hides under his desk about the future.

 

[Lordshawesome]

Look at our 2018 offers. I see a lot more offers to kids ranked in the 90s than I've ever seen before. He's definitely not shy about swinging for the fences.

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[btowngopher]

Last year Claeys recruited half his class in January. Their MO was to evaluate the recruits as late as possible. Regardless of site numbers...the 2016 class was an excellent group. What 7 plus freshman played well this year. Also, not easy to recruit when AD hides under his desk about the future.

Haha nice spin. Yeah they wanted to put more time in evaluating than other schools.

 

[btowngopher]

I like Claeys and I like Fleck. Fleck is clearly a better recruiter (as far as ranking anyways). I'd be happy to wager against anyone that Fleck will have a better class than the 2016 class next year, rankings wise.

 

[60's Guy]

I fully expect to have a higher rated class next year. That doesn't automatically guarantee it'll be a better class. .... that's a long discussion...

 

[btowngopher]

Since the administration looks at recruiting ranks in determining your job as a head coach, I find it ironic that in 2016 they ranked us 46 under Claeys and in 2017 they ranked us 55 under Fleck.. We took a step back.


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Claeys never had a class of his own. Claey's spent more time recruiting this class than he did the 2016 class.

 

[60's Guy]

Haha nice spin. Yeah they wanted to put more time in evaluating than other schools.

Yes, that was the philosophy. Don't shoot the dang messenger on all this stuff. Whole long discussion....kids grow physically a lot the older they get...the longer you wait the better you are able to predict their future growth and position Academically, how do they do in school as seniors? Attitudes of kids change, the more info you can gather, the less misses you have. If you wait you can see them play basketball or wrestle in person. There were a whole string of reasons. It meshed with the philosophy of not going after the same people everyone else did. I'd say it worked for them. Ranking services didn't agree but a lot of our better players were not ranked high in recruiting services.

 

[dpodoll68]

Haha nice spin. Yeah they wanted to put more time in evaluating than other schools.

It's not spin, it's factual. Kill said many times that part of the reason there are so many recruiting misses is because players change dramatically in body size, composition, intelligence, etc. during the course of their senior year. Texas is the prime example of this. They have made an art form out of filling out most of their class with guys 1-2 years from graduating. With their local talent base, recruiting power and reach, they should be competing for the national title every year. Yet, they have a huge miss % because the guys they sign aren't the same players they were when they committed 1-2 years earlier. And now they're on their 3rd coach in 4 years at what should be the best job in the country when things are running properly.

 

[SconnieGopher15]

Most of the best recruits in the 2016 class were committed under Kill before he left and under Claeys we were ranked in the 70s before he got fired with his 2017 class. IMO Claeys was always a placeholder under a new AD and i only thought he would stay if we went undefeated which was "fairly" unlikely. With PJF under the helm we jumped about 15-20 spots in under 1 month and signed 8 out our top 10 recruits in the 2017 class, so give him until the 2018 class to start to judge.

Class of '17

 

[Halsey Hall]

It's all Claeys fault...

This is the first time I have ever agreed with you

 

[dpodoll68]

Most of the best recruits in the 2016 class were committed under Kill before he left

Guys who committed before Kill "retired" and saw the field in 2016: Coughlin, Barber, Martin, Calhoun, Johnson
Guys who committed after Kill "retired" and saw the field in 2016: Jackson, Devers, Durr, Wright, Winfield, McCrary

"Most of the best," you say? And this is of course not taking into account that the before portion was literally years in the making and the after portion consisted of approximately 3 months leading up to signing day.

and under Claeys we were ranked in the 70s before he got fired with his 2017 class. IMO Claeys was always a placeholder under a new AD and i only thought he would stay if we went undefeated which was "fairly" unlikely. With PJF under the helm we jumped about 15-20 spots in under 1 month and signed 8 out our top 10 recruits in the 2017 class, so give him until the 2018 class to start to judge.

Claeys had a class of, what, 13-15 guys when he was fired, and we now have a class of 27 (pending whatever shakes out with certain guys), and you're surprised that the rankings jumped 15-20 spots? Really? Classes are judged on both quantity and quality. It would've been an enormous red flag if a class twice the size of its previous iteration didn't jump at least 15-20 spots.

 

[MennoSota]

This is the first time I have ever agreed with you

Tell that to the mods...

 

[Tucker32]

Except it's only worse according to one site. And it would have been far worse had Claeys stayed.

How do you know this with any certainty? They still could have landed Handy-Holly, maybe kept the two DBs they just lost... I'm going to support Fleck and company because they are our new coaches. I also am thankful for the positive position our previous staff left us in. Coyle had every right to make a change as the AD, but there was no need for Coyle to disparage the work of Kill, Claeys and staff the way he did, and wish you could simply acknowledge that.


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