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Bob_Loblaw said:
You're blaming Claeys for the attendance issues now? LOL. OK.

There will be a bump this year, no doubt about it, new coaches have that impact.

The only thing that will fill up our stadium is sustained success. I hope Fleck can pull that off.
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Not so sure it's a given that Claeys class last year was better than Fleck's this year. Yes, 247 had the 2016 class ranked 46th vs 56th this year. But Rivals is a wash (49th in 2017 vs 51 in 2016). Scout has the Gophers at 27th right now, vs 41st in 2016.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
(1) He did? Are you sure about that?

Yeah, it was a good class. I am the one that has constantly said that team rankings are an awful way to evaluate classes, because of the exact reasons you listed.

Oh, and since when was it a given that we landed all the best kids from MN. Some of the fans here have the memory of a goldfish.

(3) My favorite was probably the Holiday Bowl. Yeah, the season was without a win against Iowa or Wisconsin. Those would have been nice. I still saw the 1. Gophers win 9 games and if that's an easy accomplishment, I should expect it every year?

Nothing is black and white in my world. Are you really this obtuse? Read carefully. . . I have ALWAYS ripped on using team rankings as a metric to judge a recruiter or recruiting class. 2. It is why Coyle looked insanely stupid bringing that up as a reason to fire Claeys. I am ONLY bringing it up because it is ironic that Claeys' only class had a better team ranking than Fleck's only class. That isn't a rip on Fleck. Team rankings mean nothing to me. It is rip on Coyle and morons like you that can't wrap your head around that point.
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1. With that schedule, yes. Absolutely you should.

2. We had a terrible class at the time. How does Coyle look stupid for mentioning that our current recruiting class is ranked dead last in the Big Ten? Coyle had every right to bring up the fact that our current recruiting class was ranked so poorly. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, but Coyle was/is right.

The idea that you truly believe that Coyle looks stupid by making the recruiting comments at the presser is absurd. Let's review. Recruiting class at the time was ranked 70th, last in the Big Ten. Mark Coyle, upon firing the head coach, mentions that recruiting is a major concern of his and highlights the fact that the class is ranked very low. He then proceeds to hire a new coach,one who is regarded as a good recruiter. 3 weeks later and our recruiting class has jumped 20 spots and is now anywhere from 8th to 12th in the Big Ten as opposed to last. Yep, Coyle sure looks silly by bringing up recruiting doesn't he? Just stop it Bob, you look foolish.
 

foodog8 said:
Not so sure it's a given that Claeys class last year was better than Fleck's this year. Yes, 247 had the 2016 class ranked 46th vs 56th this year. But Rivals is a wash (49th in 2017 vs 51 in 2016). Scout has the Gophers at 27th right now, vs 41st in 2016.
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Bob doesn't like facts. His entire argument is that Coyle looks stupid because one recruiting site has our 2016 class ranked ahead of this year's class. Mentioning that the other two sites has Fleck's 2017 class (that he filled in 3 weeks) ranked higher than the 2016 class (and much higher in Scout's case) completely destroys his argument.
 

DMB123 said:
Like talking to a 5 year old. It's really that simple, right Bob?

1. It's ok to compare Claeys' 2016 class, which he had a full year to complete and included an unusually and lucky high amount of highly rated MN kids, to Fleck's first class that he had 25 days to fill and was ranked 70th at the time he took over thanks to Claeys? Nice try, but I know even you don't believe that bs.
2. About those 9 wins... just curious. Which one got you the most excited? Was it the trophy game win over... oh wait. Was it the big win in Madis... oh wait. Oh I know, it must have been that big home win over Iowa... oh wait. Maybe it was the big win over a 6-6 Northwestern team that has you bragging about how great 2016 was for Gopher football.

Everything is black and white in Bob's world.
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Washington State was their best win, and if you weren't aware that came with a trophy too. Oh and if you really want to go there, the victory against NW was arguably Fleck's big win this year too. :rolleyes:

Fleck will do a better job at recruiting than Claeys would have. He certainly has in a short time this year. Once the scandal came to light, Claeys and his staff had little chance for a full or solid class.

Fleck's recruiting classes from now on should all be better. Don't know if P.J.'s Defense will be as good as Claeys, but his Offense should be much better. When he has a good year hope it meets the "new Gopher standard": only certain wins are worth celebrating or enjoying.

All that said, if you've been around Gopher Football for more than 10 years, particularly if you'd followed them for 20 plus you should realize that Gopher fans have no business downgrading wins. They Gophers have had 19 of chances to play 13 games in a year. They won 9 of them twice.

Followers of Gopher Football should never have the right to downgrade a season of 8-9 wins plus because they "didn't beat anybody". With all the time and money we've thrown at the program through the years you should enjoy each and every victory.

It's really that simple.
 

Iceland12 said:
Washington State was their best win, and if you weren't aware that came with a trophy too. Oh and if you really want to go there, the victory against NW was arguably Fleck's big win this year too. :rolleyes:

Fleck will do a better job at recruiting than Claeys would have. He certainly has in a short time this year. Once the scandal came to light, Claeys and his staff had little chance for a full or solid class.

Fleck's recruiting classes from now on should all be better. Don't know if P.J.'s Defense will be as good as Claeys, but his Offense should be much better. When he has a good year hope it meets the "new Gopher standard": only certain wins are worth celebrating or enjoying.

All that said, if you've been around Gopher Football for more than 10 years, particularly if you'd followed them for 20 plus you should realize that Gopher fans have no business downgrading wins. They Gophers have had 19 of chances to play 13 games in a year. They won 9 of them twice.

Followers of Gopher Football should never have the right to downgrade a season of 8-9 wins plus because they "didn't beat anybody". With all the time and money we've thrown at the program through the years you should enjoy each and every victory.

It's really that simple.
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Absurd, of course we have that right. This is loser talk. This isn't the NFL where your record is all that matters. In college football, it's WHO you beat that matters. Rivalries, trophy games, and games against good teams matter more, period. We failed in all those categories in 2016.

I've had season tickets since 1984, so please spare me the lecture about our history and how that should affect our expectations. Newsflash: they play more games in the regular season now than they did in the past. I remember back when 7-4 MIGHT have gotten you a bowl bid. Our seasons are now 13 games long (as everyone makes a bowl game now), whereas recently as 1999 they were only 11 games and much fewer bowl games.

The statistic about Minnesota winning 9 games this year for only the second time since 1900 or whatever, while technically true, is one of the dumbest and most meaningless facts I've ever heard in describing what kind of a success 2016 was. Look deeper people.
 


1. It is amazing PJF got anyone to come here with the culture problem.

2. Brewster had a recruiting class ranked higher than either. That recruiting class did nothing. Recruiting rankings do not show who is a better recruiter. Only time does that.


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Spoofin said:
1. It is amazing PJF got anyone to come here with the culture problem.

2. Brewster had a recruiting class ranked higher than either. That recruiting class did nothing. Recruiting rankings do not show who is a better recruiter. Only time does that.


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Tracey Claeys laughing at recruits who bring up wanting to win the Big Ten or National Championship? Players having orgies (and a possible rape) that included a recruit? Maybe there was more of a culture problem that many don't want to see.
 

DMB123 said:
Tracey Claeys laughing at recruits who bring up wanting to win the Big Ten or National Championship? Players having orgies (and a possible rape) that included a recruit? Maybe there was more of a culture problem that many don't want to see.
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Is your keyboard missing a "U"?


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Iceland12 said:
Washington State was their best win, and if you weren't aware that came with a trophy too. Oh and if you really want to go there, the victory against NW was arguably Fleck's big win this year too. :rolleyes:

Fleck will do a better job at recruiting than Claeys would have. He certainly has in a short time this year. Once the scandal came to light, Claeys and his staff had little chance for a full or solid class.

Fleck's recruiting classes from now on should all be better. Don't know if P.J.'s Defense will be as good as Claeys, but his Offense should be much better. When he has a good year hope it meets the "new Gopher standard": only certain wins are worth celebrating or enjoying.

All that said, if you've been around Gopher Football for more than 10 years, particularly if you'd followed them for 20 plus you should realize that Gopher fans have no business downgrading wins. They Gophers have had 19 of chances to play 13 games in a year. They won 9 of them twice.

Followers of Gopher Football should never have the right to downgrade a season of 8-9 wins plus because they "didn't beat anybody". With all the time and money we've thrown at the program through the years you should enjoy each and every victory.

It's really that simple.
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+1 :)
 



DMB123 said:
Are you denying that Minnesota has jumped roughly 20 spots in the rankings? Signing day is tomorrow genius, there won't be a lot of movement in the meantime. You can keep trying to undermine what Fleck has done in these 24 days cleaning up the recruiting mess left by Claeys, but you're just wrong.
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Let's see what Fleck can do with the kids on the team. Next year.

Just win baby. Recruiting is great. Just win.
 

Where was the class ranked before PJ showed up?

I guess we could go back to Brewster if this is our measuring stick...
 

Spoofin said:
Is your keyboard missing a "U"?


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We're you sleeping during the entire month of December? Yep, everything was just fine and dandy in Dinkytown, wasn't it? It's not like we were everywhere on national news regarding a potential gang rape or anything like that. Oh wait...
 

Spoofin said:
1. It is amazing PJF got anyone to come here with the culture problem.

2. Brewster had a recruiting class ranked higher than either. That recruiting class did nothing. Recruiting rankings do not show who is a better recruiter. Only time does that.
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Was it the talent or the coaching? That class had some talent, MarQueis Gray, Keanon Cooper, Gary Tinsley, Tramaine Brock, Troy Stoudermire, Traye Simmons, Simoni Lawrence, DL Wilhite, Da'Jon McKnight and a few others that had solid careers.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
Was it the talent or the coaching? That class had some talent, MarQueis Gray, Keanon Cooper, Gary Tinsley, Tramaine Brock, Troy Stoudermire, Traye Simmons, Simoni Lawrence, DL Wilhite, Da'Jon McKnight and a few others that had solid careers.
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I think that's it. Brewster could recruit talent he just couldn't coach kids up. Tim Brewster has only been a head coach twice. The other time was a catholic high school.
 

West Fargo Gopher Fan said:
I think that's it. Brewster could recruit talent he just couldn't coach kids up. Tim Brewster has only been a head coach twice. The other time was a catholic high school.
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And nobody of importance ever even gave him a coordinator job..... dude is a very very very good recruiting specialist guy. Maybe he can coach TEs, maybe, but that's it.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
Was it the talent or the coaching? That class had some talent, MarQueis Gray, Keanon Cooper, Gary Tinsley, Tramaine Brock, Troy Stoudermire, Traye Simmons, Simoni Lawrence, DL Wilhite, Da'Jon McKnight and a few others that had solid careers.
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That is a fair question. There was talent. IMO, he wasn't a great recruiter tho. A number of his players didn't make it here or washed out. Others had talent, but didn't fit with the other pieces. Few were team players that elevated the group. Overall, a disappointing class for where it was ranked - for many reasons.


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DMB123 said:
Absurd, of course we have that right. This is loser talk. This isn't the NFL where your record is all that matters. In college football, it's WHO you beat that matters. Rivalries, trophy games, and games against good teams matter more, period. We failed in all those categories in 2016.

I've had season tickets since 1984, so please spare me the lecture about our history and how that should affect our expectations. Newsflash: they play more games in the regular season now than they did in the past. I remember back when 7-4 MIGHT have gotten you a bowl bid. Our seasons are now 13 games long (as everyone makes a bowl game now), whereas recently as 1999 they were only 11 games and much fewer bowl games.

The statistic about Minnesota winning 9 games this year for only the second time since 1900 or whatever, while technically true, is one of the dumbest and most meaningless facts I've ever heard in describing what kind of a success 2016 was. Look deeper people.
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"The statistic about Minnesota winning 9 games this year for only the second time since 1900 or whatever, while technically true is one of the dumbest and most meaningless facts I've ever heard "

You can see why I can't go there with you right?

Yeah, that's because I didn't say it! :D

Your post though was brillant! That was one of the most useless attempts at deflection ever! You tried to change the discussion about 9 wins in the 19 years to a discussion about getting to a Bowl Game and wins since 1900! Nice try! Would have been better if you just admitted you were wrong. But hey, if you've truly had season tickets since 1984 then maybe you just can't bring yourself to do it. Use to be you were a "stand-up" guy if you admitted you made a mistake.

But that would also take a little class, which was pretty lacking in your posts today. Kind of surprising though. Not your usual M.O.

But everybody should give you credit for one thing. You've set the bar this year for Fleck at 9 wins and at least 2 trophy wins.

That seems to be tough but if a long time, super Gopher Fan like you says :In college football, it's WHO you beat that matters. Rivalries, trophy games, and games against good teams matter more, period Now add in all the "gimme" games that's a tall order.

So as you say anybody who is talking about 7-8, well that is "loser talk".

To them you say " Look deeper people".

DMB123 aka Super Fan has spoken!:drink:
 

Spoofin said:
That is a fair question. There was talent. IMO, he wasn't a great recruiter tho. A number of his players didn't make it here or washed out. Others had talent, but didn't fit with the other pieces. Few were team players that elevated the group. Overall, a disappointing class for where it was ranked - for many reasons.


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The important thing to remember is that if you're near the goal line you send the RB through the hole.... have the QB delay.... then go through the same hole you just drew the TEs to.... cuz Brewster...
 

DMB123 said:
Bob doesn't like facts. His entire argument is that Coyle looks stupid because one recruiting site has our 2016 class ranked ahead of this year's class. Mentioning that the other two sites has Fleck's 2017 class (that he filled in 3 weeks) ranked higher than the 2016 class (and much higher in Scout's case) completely destroys his argument.
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No, his argument is that Coyle didn't have the stones to tell us why he fired Claeys; he didn't want him. He used obvious bull****.... that you just destroyed.

Bob had been saying the Coyle line was disingenuous, because recruiting rankings are not a good means of measurement.
 

SKOOKM said:
You guys must be joking. Can Gopher fans not respect Claeys for what he did here and still be supportive of the new coach? I was supportive of Claeys and thought he deserved to remain, apparently that means I am required to think he did a better job recruiting the 2017 class in the 11 months he had to focus on it than Fleck did in the 1 month he had.
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He's being sarcastic here and you apparently missed his post literally right before this one where he said it OK to do both. I'm in agreement. It's not a rebuild and PJ doesn't walk on water. Fleck himself said it and expects to build on last year's record.

Bob was just pointing out that every little thing not seen as positive about Fleck seems to get hammered. I got roasted for having an expectation for the same number of wins this year as last year...expectations I would have had for Claeys.
 

DMB123 said:
Absurd, of course we have that right. This is loser talk. This isn't the NFL where your record is all that matters. In college football, it's WHO you beat that matters. Rivalries, trophy games, and games against good teams matter more, period. We failed in all those categories in 2016.

I've had season tickets since 1984, so please spare me the lecture about our history and how that should affect our expectations. Newsflash: they play more games in the regular season now than they did in the past. I remember back when 7-4 MIGHT have gotten you a bowl bid. Our seasons are now 13 games long (as everyone makes a bowl game now), whereas recently as 1999 they were only 11 games and much fewer bowl games.

The statistic about Minnesota winning 9 games this year for only the second time since 1900 or whatever, while technically true, is one of the dumbest and most meaningless facts I've ever heard in describing what kind of a success 2016 was. Look deeper people.
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Go make love to yourself, clueless one.
 





Cleays recruiting class was ranked low at the time of his dismissal. You can not use that as a reason he was a poor recruiter, because the recruiting season had not finished. He was not given a chance to fill out the class.
That would be similar to saying we won the Wisc and Neb. games this year because we led at halftime.
 

GFBfan said:
Cleays recruiting class was ranked low at the time of his dismissal. You can not use that as a reason he was a poor recruiter, because the recruiting season had not finished. He was not given a chance to fill out the class.
That would be similar to saying we won the Wisc and Neb. games this year because we led at halftime.
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Great post, and perfect analogy!
 

GFBfan said:
Cleays recruiting class was ranked low at the time of his dismissal. You can not use that as a reason he was a poor recruiter, because the recruiting season had not finished. He was not given a chance to fill out the class.
That would be similar to saying we won the Wisc and Neb. games this year because we led at halftime.
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If you followed recruiting closely all year you would have seen that Claeys was not "in" on very many highly rated guys, so it's not crazy to assume he wouldn't have closed the class with a flourish.
 

btowngopher said:
If you followed recruiting closely all year you would have seen that Claeys was not "in" on very many highly rated guys, so it's not crazy to assume he wouldn't have closed the class with a flourish.
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Is that a preponderance of evidence?
 

btowngopher said:
If you followed recruiting closely all year you would have seen that Claeys was not "in" on very many highly rated guys, so it's not crazy to assume he wouldn't have closed the class with a flourish.
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The only thing you can base assumptions on would be his previous class, which was pretty good.
 

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