USA Today asks: 'Why is the Badgers' roster predominantly white?


I'm here to start a worldwide witch hunt for Jordan Taylor.

Premier athletes are all black? What a racist.

See? I can be offended about every little thing too. It's fun. I've got my pitchfork out already. See you guys at MOA.

#WhiteAthletesMatter
 


Comes across as an article trying to intimate something, but is a total non-story. Completely understand why Bo declined to comment. Why should he?
 

Strange, strange quote from Jordan Taylor. And one that has to make Bo cringe. Besides, Dekker is one of the better athletes I've watched all season.
 


I thought the Timberwolves were the only team that was too white.

On a side note....a salute from my new favorite Tuscaloosa columnist.

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Strange, strange quote from Jordan Taylor. And one that has to make Bo cringe. Besides, Dekker is one of the better athletes I've watched all season.

I don't think the quote is so weird. Bo recruits system guys, the ones that will be happy with the fundamentals, being a team, etc. I don't think it's as much of a color/race thing as it is a mindset. Dekker is very athletic, but that's not the norm when you compare them to Kentucky type talent. I remember even talking to Rodney Williams about WI when he was getting recruited by Bo, he wanted to play a more up-tempo game, being the athlete he is, which is one of the reasons he chose the Gophers.
 


I thought the Timberwolves were the only team that was too white.

On a side note....a salute from my new favorite Tuscaloosa columnist.

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You better believe CBS wants Kentucky to win that game.

If Kentucky loses to Wisconsin, the viewership for that Championship game on Monday goes down by about 50%. MILLIONS of people who WOULD tune in for a team shooting for 40-0 perfection would not even THINK about tuning in to watch a bunch from Wisconsin playing.
 





Strange, strange quote from Jordan Taylor. And one that has to make Bo cringe. Besides, Dekker is one of the better athletes I've watched all season.

And Nigel Hays isn't athletic at all either.
 

On this the day the world was turned upside down, I have been moved to understanding and support for Wisconsin. Only on this point at this time. Very temporary, but truly a miracle. The whole question is absurd and another bruised eye on popular media.
 



I don't think the quote is so weird. Bo recruits system guys, the ones that will be happy with the fundamentals, being a team, etc. I don't think it's as much of a color/race thing as it is a mindset. Dekker is very athletic, but that's not the norm when you compare them to Kentucky type talent. I remember even talking to Rodney Williams about WI when he was getting recruited by Bo, he wanted to play a more up-tempo game, being the athlete he is, which is one of the reasons he chose the Gophers.

I respectfully disagree. Isn't the above bold in and of itself a strange line? If you're a superior athlete you won't be happy with the fundamentals or happy being a team? That seems to be painting with an extremely broad brush.
 



To expand on what I THINK Taylor was trying to say, is essentially this-

I don't think it had anything at all to do with fundamentals or teamwork. I really hope GL wasn't suggesting black people don't do those things and I don't believe she was.

I think the larger point was that in a system like Wisconsin you just aren't allowed to use your athleticism much. You don't have to be super athletic to make a pass, set a pick, and then cut. Every player wants to go somewhere that maximizes their skills and if one of your skills is athleticism, Wisconsin isn't going to maximize it. Sam Dekker is a perfect example. No one until the tourney realized he was athletic until now because Wisconsin's system doesn't intentionally try to display his athleticism. Sure he uses it occasionally, but were he at UK he'd be displaying it every single possession. Not better, not worse necessarily. Just different.

The larger, interesting thing to me is exactly what the article states. Wisconsin's non-Caucasian roster make up is far below the league wide statistic, and probably below the general population statistic. There is a reason that they had zero black players graduate the last 4 years, primarily because they have none.

While you can't draw any concrete conclusions, you can certainly wonder things. Either it's the athlete thing, but then you have to assume the proportion of athletic to non-athletic black players is not equal to the proportion of athletic to non-athletic white players. Which is certainly possible. Also possible the culture, city, life, etc. in Madison isn't appealing to a lot of black players (however, their football team seems to do okay at attracting black athletes) and it is also possible Wisconsin makes certain recruiting decisions based on race and perceived character, much like Coach K and Duke are often accused of doing.

No matter the reason, it is at least interesting that a basketball team manages to field a roster completely opposite of the sports general racial make up every single year.
 

Rather than edit my thread, this was one of the Duke comments that have come up I mentioned.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-bask...recruited-black-players-that-were-uncle-toms/

“Well, certain schools recruit a typical kind of player whether the world admits it or not. And Duke is one of those schools,” he said. “They recruit black players from polished families, accomplished families. And that’s fine. That’s okay. But when you’re an inner-city kid playing in a public school league, you know that certain schools aren’t going to recruit you. That’s one. And I’m okay with it. That’s how I felt as an 18-year-old kid.”
 

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I don't think the quote is so weird. Bo recruits system guys, the ones that will be happy with the fundamentals, being a team, etc. I don't think it's as much of a color/race thing as it is a mindset. Dekker is very athletic, but that's not the norm when you compare them to Kentucky type talent. I remember even talking to Rodney Williams about WI when he was getting recruited by Bo, he wanted to play a more up-tempo game, being the athlete he is, which is one of the reasons he chose the Gophers.
Rodney could not understand basic defensive principles. He would have lasted one year at Wisconsin, tops.
 

N Rodney could not understand basic defensive principles. He would have lasted one year at Wisconsin, tops.

When didn't Rodney understand defensive principles?? I don't recall him being Buggs/Morris. I recall him being one of the teams better defenders. Often guarding and containing the other teams best player.

Or is he just a guy who can jump high and nothing else?
 

When didn't Rodney understand defensive principles?? I don't recall him being Buggs/Morris. I recall him being one of the teams better defenders. Often guarding and containing the other teams best player.

Or is he just a guy who can jump high and nothing else?
Oh my goodness. From a positioning standpoint, he was one of the worst you'll ever see. At times it was laughable. Covered his mistakes with an occasional steal or blocked shot.
 

Ryan loves great athletes but his holy grail is skill. Well drilled teammates that have mastered the fundamentals. He has proven that approach forces the other team to play well to beat you and often causes you to play to your weakness more often hastening your defeat. Watch them closely and it is a clinic of how to pass and catch without error, how to not travel, how to not play defense with your hands and how to use your teammates by keeping your spacing. At least 15 times this year they had fewer then 8 turnovers ! Think they made 300 more free throws then opponents attempted ! That is not because of poor officiating, Contrary a good official notices when your moving your feet instead of grabbing or hacking. Lastly, they rarely take bad shots.
 

I am surprised that they even did this story and more surprised that Taylor was willing to be quoted.

The whole white and black thing in basketball is really two way racism and it is sad. The stereotypes both ways do nothing to serve white players or black players.

You can use your athleticism all day long in Bo Ryan's system and many players have. People are noticing Dekker more now because his scoring is up, but he has been dunking like this for 2.5 years. He finally has gotten the confidence to take the ball to the basket in traffic and everyone is seeing the results.

On the other side, there are rules you have to follow on the court as well and that may turn some players off. But it turns off white players and black players. It really is a non story because they try to recruit black players, they often don't choose to come. Not much can be done about it, the proof is in the pudding in how successful Ryan has been, so if they don't want to come, what can you do? If the angle of the story as going to be, Bo doesn't recruit black guys, that is pathetic.

If it makes the USA Today feel better, 2 of the 4 recruits in the '15 class are black and both of them are very athletic. One of them is crazy athletic, so maybe he can change the ridiculous perception out there.
 

Ryan loves great athletes but his holy grail is skill. Well drilled teammates that have mastered the fundamentals. He has proven that approach forces the other team to play well to beat you and often causes you to play to your weakness more often hastening your defeat. Watch them closely and it is a clinic of how to pass and catch without error, how to not travel, how to not play defense with your hands and how to use your teammates by keeping your spacing. At least 15 times this year they had fewer then 8 turnovers ! Think they made 300 more free throws then opponents attempted ! That is not because of poor officiating, Contrary a good official notices when your moving your feet instead of grabbing or hacking. Lastly, they rarely take bad shots.

So black people over his entire tenure have just lacked skill? Not disagreeing he values those things, just wondering what that has to do with the racial make up of his team? Virginia plays a very similar style, with just as much skill and are much more racially diverse. I don't know the reason for it since I don't know Bo or anything about why kids really do or don't get recruited there or don't go there. Still just find it statistically interesting and we can speculate why all we want, but no one really knows.
 

Oh my goodness. From a positioning standpoint, he was one of the worst you'll ever see. At times it was laughable. Covered his mistakes with an occasional steal or blocked shot.

I'd like to see how you describe Joey's defense then since he is significantly worse than Rodney.
 

You know society has too much time on its hands when an article like this is written.
 

"he wanted to play a more up-tempo game, being the athlete he is, which is one of the reasons he chose the Gophers"

Naturally he signed with Tubby. Good call Rodney.
 

Next year there will be 6 black players of 13 and 5 of them have a good chance of being in the rotation. Maybe that will make people feel better.
 

"he wanted to play a more up-tempo game, being the athlete he is, which is one of the reasons he chose the Gophers" Naturally he signed with Tubby. Good call Rodney.

In fairness, tubby did promise a faster game. Every. Single. Year. Lol
 

I do not think color has anything to do with it from a recruiting or performance standpoint. i believe that most of the highly sought after recruits are ranked on raw athletic ability over skill because of their upside. Many of them are more known through AAU and all star exposure where Ryan and Bennett have a affinity for the high school network where frequently skills are stressed year after year. Ryan does not care that Taylor was black or that Kaminsky is white. Just so happens that Ryans sphere of recruiting is not as racially diverse as Bennetts. Bennetts recruits come from all over . Ryan has more of a midwest base which is less diverse. They cut into the superstar recruit difference buy knowing they will not get those Duke, kansas, Kentucky players so they put a premium on skill, growth, experience. I have known for years however that many minorities that get to campuses with few minorities are not as comfortable as they are with a higher percentage of minorities. Madison is not that diverse. The state of Virginia is very diverse and he has something else to sell: perhaps the nations most highly respected public school so he targets very good student athletes much like Stanford (even though Stanford is private) Academic requirements are extreme at UVA. They have several star player in grad school and Brogdon is a likely Rhodes Scholar. This goes back to being a brand and every school best decide what that will look like. The administration at UVA was so smitten by Bennett because not only was he a tremendous player but he had proven himself at WSU and was a academic all american
 




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