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That's the logic, and I can see it. When he's forced into action next year, he will have gotten his feet wet this year.
Pitino post game: Didn't like energy going into the game, like the D on last play...
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That's the logic, and I can see it. When he's forced into action next year, he will have gotten his feet wet this year.
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Shooting is not this team's problem. Charley Walters published numbers showing that this team is superior to the Gopher women and the Timberwolves for shooting percentage and 3-point FG percentage. The problems are turnovers, rebounding and defense. You score 76 points, play decent defense and don't turn the ball over multiple times, and you'll win the game. Not scoring more than 76 points was not their problem Sunday.
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I had no idea that Charles Barkley posted here.
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Lol. Turnovers have absolutely NOT been the issue - on either side of the ball.
Shooting has - specifically 2FG selection early in the clock. Controllable, but often not controlled.
What NBA or college women have to do with the Gopher men is far beyond my tiny intellect. Silly me, I'd say "nothing."
Lol. Turnovers have absolutely NOT been the issue - on either side of the ball.
Shooting has - specifically 2FG selection early in the clock. Controllable, but often not controlled.
What NBA or college women have to do with the Gopher men is far beyond my tiny intellect. Silly me, I'd say "nothing."
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The next thing we'll hear is that rebounding doesn't matter.
hahaha -- I love it.
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I don't think GW is wrong on shot selection. Way too many mid-range/long 2s for modern basketball.
Other than Joey King, who sometimes fakes from 3 point range to take a long two, I didn't notice this team taking a large number of long twos. A team can't give up the midrange twos. If you can get past the perimeter defenders, then there is often space to take that one and you have to take the shots the defense gives you. A team can't get by on just taking threes, shots at the rim, and driving for free throws. Of course, a team playing the Gophers probably can have a reasonable expectation of getting 40+ points from 3 pointers.
We didn't have any guys big enough or strong enough to go to the rim and finish in traffic. Often times they would beat the perimeter player but were faced with either getting stuffed or flipping a floater up at the rim. Even Carlos who has length doesn't have the strength to finish over a defender. Maybe Carlos will add some bulk in the off season to fix that...... while he's working on his defense and passing drills. No doubt - too many low percentage mid range shots this year. Hopefully we will see more of those drives to the hoop get finished strong or get turned into kick outs for threes. I imagine a whole different type of team next year. I don't think these guys are bad players, I just don't think they fit together or with the system.
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Can anyone think of one kid on this years team that is an elite athlete? I'm not just talking about basketball player, but I'm simply referring to athletic ability. Who is the best pure athlete on the team?
Our bigs are not athletic. Our power forward (Joey) isn't athletic (though Buggs might be the best pure athlete). Our small forwards? Morris was undersized. Our shooting guards? Both are better sized as point guards. Our point guards? Mathieu is quick and a good athlete, but he's not Bobby Jackson.
We didn't have much margin for error with this team. The fact that we have played so many close games is a tribute to the kids trying hard to overcome a lack of athleticism against elite teams in the Power 5 conferences. One thing I'm betting we have over the course of the next couple years is, I bet we have better athletes.
Pitino knows what he wants. He's seen what he wants via working at Florida and Louisville. He will get the athletes for his system. Next year we'll be young. But, I bet we are more athletic than this years team.
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Tiny, do you remember the guy that you hated so much. In his 2nd year, he brought in some top players. Why couldn't Richard do it. What makes you think that he can from now on?
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That would be the 1st time that he is right. One thing that nobody likes to address here since everybody is busy making excuses for Richard is the fact that last year's team had Austin. If you go back to the game posts from last year, you see how many times people said how much they loved Austin particularly toward the end of the season. A bunch of marginal wins were made by him. Otherwise, the rest of the team is pretty much the same. One other thing that this team doesn't have is the intensity that Otto used to bring in all the time. Unfortunately, many hated Otto but every team needs a kid like that. People like bga1 and Tiny kept bragging about the weight that Mo lost last year because of Richard. How many wins did that get this year? Reading the posts on this board is like watching American politics. When Americans go to the polls, they have such a short-term memory loss. They forget how good their previous administration was.
That list of players:
Justin Cobbs-transferred after a freshman season in which he didn't play much, went to Cal and blew up for the last 3 years of his career.
Royce White-self-explanatory
Rodney Williams-good player, but didn't show all that much growth through his career and never became more than a role player
Trevor Mbakwe-this one I'll give him credit for
Not as silver-lined as you want to believe.
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I really hope that you are joking here.
At 6'11 Konate is a close as they come, Martin was an elite athlete, that is why it was tough to lose him.
That was a ridiculous post.
Let's make a comparison:
Tubby year one recruits:
Bostick didn't produce (I liked him but he didn't produce)
Carter transfered
Iverson had an EE career and then transferred and got better
Joseph looked promising and then left
Sampson promising play who ended up a decent Big Ten player
Pitino year one recruits
Martin gone in the blink of an eye
Lofton ditto
Mason really good frosh year
Konate promising big man
Gaston raw athlete- future unknown
Morris about as effective as Carter year one (with different strengths and weaknesses)
verdict year one- I'd say that's a draw
Year 2 Tubby
Cobbs left after a year
Mbakwe great player
White never played
Williams great athlete- good player
Pitino year 2 -three more open schollys but he probably only brings in two more
Jarvis three star big time athlete
Dorsey four start point guard
McBrayer three star with promise as a scorer
Nwankwo athletic but raw big man
If anything I give the edge to Pitino on this class as my guess is that he gets more productivity out of it than Tubby got out of his year two group.
Now you could say..."Hey they haven't even played yet!" and you'd be right. But by the same token you are ridiculous to say that Pitino's year two group has no great players.
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I didn't think that you and you likes would still play the players-leaving-the-program game anymore since we had some players leaving this year too. Keep convincing yourself with this garbage analysis. Tubby did get better players here in his 1st 2 years.
Yes he did but he didn't develop them much. That will be the difference(If Pitino is to be sucessfull) between the 2 coaches. Tubby was a known quantity with an NCAA championship and looking like he'd be a hall of fame coach one year when he got to MN. (Now if he doesn't turn Texas Tech around he's probably not going to get it) Pitino is just starting out so we wont get the same quality rated recruit(on the high end, the low end is comparable or even in Pitino's favor). What Pitino has to hang his hat on is his teaching ability of young men to be better than Tubby's was. Also Tubby had a tendency to recruit production and not teach the athletes he got very well(minus Trevor but seriously trevor was a beast from the moment he started playing for us).
If his analysis is "garbage," then what is yours? You're already writing off four players and maybe two more who haven't yet arrived.
On paper, Tubby's second year recruiting class was better but that really isn't what matters is it? Iowa's Aaron White was a somewhat under-the-radar 3 star recruit but he had a much better career than Rodney Williams.
bga1 is correct. A five star head case is still a head case. Since leaving high school, Royce has played a grand total of one year of productive basketball (for Fred Hoiberg). Of Tubby's second year class, he got one game changing player (Trevor) and one mid-level Big Ten starter (Rodney). Pitino certainly has a fair chance to recruit a class this year that will be more productive overall than Tubby's second year class.
Tubby's first year class was more impressive (at least initially) than Pitino's, but that's to be expected given that Tubby was a big name coach when he arrived here. On paper, I would liken Pitino's first year class to Fran McCaffrey's first year class at Iowa. It included one three star recruit who was better than expected as a freshman (although White was better than Mason as a freshman) and one project big man (Konate and Olaseni respectively). As for the third recruit, Morris will only be around for two years but I'm fairly confident that he will contribute more in that time than Josh Oglesby did in four years at Iowa.
By the way, what kind of schmuck calls himself "The Real Truth?" A bit overcompensating are we?
Yes and I think that in my "garbage analysis" I fairly accounted for the "real truth" that people left under Tubby and have done so under Pitino. You were the one who said Tubby got us great players and Pitino hasn't. Your statement was baloney and I showed you so. Meanwhile it is entirely possible that Pitino is a bust here and he can't get recruits than can play or coach them. That's all to be determined in the future.
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You and maybe bga1 will love to have an average player like Rodney here on the roster. Other than Mo's weight loss what else has Richard done to develop players. He has turned Dre into an average player because of his unproven system. What makes you think that next year's players will be developed. I would love for you and bga1 to come back here next year and say something about the players that will leave the program during the next season. Richard will go crazy like Tubby did. He has to produce to even be even looked at in UlL to replace his father. Like it did with Tubby, players will leave the program. We'll come back here next year at this time. The real schmuch will be shown.
Joey King. Okay his defense needs a little work, but he never drove to the basket his first year. He just pump faked and pump faked. Now he does something with those. Did you see his turnaround off the backboard 10 footer he made against Penn state? Did you see him make a few power moves against Wisconsin or his leaning into the defenders against MSU. All of those things are things he wouldn't have dreamed about doing last year.
Buggs is actually serviceable this year(Edit: At the end of the year)... that in and of itself says a lot.
Dre became an average player because he moved from point guard to shooting guard and his shooting plateaued and never improved to the extent as we'd have hoped.
McNeil... I know he is no longer here but the game he played against Louisville showed great improvement and promise over last year, along with the in season improvement he had as a freshman.
Konate arguably the best defensive center on our team at the end of the year... in his last 4 games in 44 minutes of playing he had only 3 fouls so the line that he fouls too much is no longer true.
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He did? His stats are up across the board, and his FG% and 3pt % are at career highs.
Beyond just Mo's weight loss - who thought he would be a Big Ten honorable mention player? He became an excellent center on the offensive side. Vertically challenged but he developed NBA post moves to his own credit and to the staff's.
Andre was better than an average player. Size and speed held him back from going the next step. Put Morris' length and speed with Andre's shot and understanding of the game and you'd have an NBA player. As it was, a top 20 player in the Big ten is not average. I'd take as many of him as I could get.
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I just used the average player talk to try to relate to "The-Real-Truth" as much as possible(I have mentioned Hollins' increased stats in previous posts on other threads). Also +1 about the Mo being BIG honorable mention i didn't catch that yet.
I am not a previous administration basher but last I checked the previous administration was good enough to be fired.