Pitino post game: Didn't like energy going into the game, like the D on last play...

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Nice analysis, woozee . I remember during a game thread discussion a few of simultaneously posting that EE cannot do things that BT center has to be able to do. Konate can, but not exceptionally well.
EE played until it became very clear that we needed to think more about next year.

konate and Gas were never red shirt candidates. Too old.
 

Winasota Gopher said:
I disagree with a double on newbill. Maybe if he got a layup it a wide open 3 that complaint resonates, but he hit a deep 3 with a hand right in his face. Hat tip.

If he doubles and newbill makes the right pass for a layup or open jumper, you all are burning him for that.

If he misses, good defense by Mason?
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How did the selected strategy work out? Not very well from my perspective.
 

Can't argue with this. I don't think the two of them together would've been a good idea for most games but it would've been nice to see it against teams with slower pfs.

Gopher Warrior said:
I'm fine with Mo playing "ahead" of EE - it's not an outrageous decision. My stance has been Eliason should be playing center whenever Walker is not in there and that the staff should consider trying both together.

Eliason's defensive presence and quite frankly his numbers were very good - last year AND this year. They blew it not playing Eliason more. I am NOT saying EE should have eaten up Mo's minutes. I am ABSOLUTELY saying he should have gotten a lot more run.
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Exactly right.

Winasota Gopher said:
I disagree with a double on newbill. Maybe if he got a layup it a wide open 3 that complaint resonates, but he hit a deep 3 with a hand right in his face. Hat tip.

If he doubles and newbill makes the right pass for a layup or open jumper, you all are burning him for that.

If he misses, good defense by Mason?
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Pitino blaming daylight savings time is the last bit of proof that this tool is completely over his head. Another year of this crap and I hope they fire him.
 


Winasota Gopher said:
Obviously, guy is 32 and on year 2 of his career in the b1g and 3 as a head coach.



Really? Cite some significant examples of continued "Stupid" basketball to which you claim has lead to horrible basketball "all season long"


Other than EE minutes what rotation should he have used?
What poor game management can you cite?


so a horribly stupid team with poor coaching is 10 minutes of EE short of being 8-8 in the B1G 10?

Oh.... Makes a lot of sense.
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Are you really happy with what you saw this season? the mistakes are way too many to even go back and report. just watch a game or two and if you don't see mental mistakes throughout the game by numerous players than we can agree to disagree. I understand that you really want a pissing match with me but i am not going to give it too you.

as for the rotation. the new big guys didn't earn time with their play on the court. if they preform in practice then we will always have a team that is great practice for other teams. We need teams that play well in games. EE has done that. he started a couple of years before RP giving the reins to Mo. Mo consistently was weak on rebounds and on taking it to the hoop last year and this year.
We all dont know how practice goes but for a former starter (EE) to get the treatment that he got today at senior day in front of his parents its humiliating. cant blame him for striping off his jersey right after the game.
RP stood out on the court last year and gave the seniors a nice good by and this season ran off the court.
there is dissention in the locker room and it comes from the top.

again if you want to just watch the whole games instead of looking for who is scoring and did we win it would help.
 

Moonlight said:
EE played until it became very clear that we needed to think more about next year. konate and Gas were never red shirt candidates. Too old.
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Exactly. EE was unfortunately the odd man out. Needed quality minutes for Konate once winning was not the top priority.
 

Are you really that narrow-minded? If we double-teamed and they got a wide open layup or shot you would biitch too. Sometimes good players just hit shots that are well-defended and it's not the coach's fault. There's a reason he's been a leading scorer in the conference the last 3 years. Mason was right on him and he unfortunately hit a 3 when all they needed was one point. No reasonable basketball mind would fault Pitino for that last shot. The guy has never even been a good 3 point shooter. I'd rather he shoot a contested 3 than get anywhere near the hoop where he's a much better shooter and gets fouled a ton.

CDH27 said:
How did the selected strategy work out? Not very well from my perspective.
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burton34 said:
Pitino blaming daylight savings time is the last bit of proof that this tool is completely over his head. Another year of this crap and I hope they fire him.
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And this post is the bit of proof needed that you are in over your head merely typing on your phone. People really want to hate Pitino, but I think it's obvious he was joking.
 



Sounds like the media on here. Disappointing year so let's read way too far into everything Pitino says and blow it out of proportion so we can complain more.
 

underground629 said:
Are you really that narrow-minded? If we double-teamed and they got a wide open layup or shot you would biitch too. Sometimes good players just hit shots that are well-defended and it's not the coach's fault. There's a reason he's been a leading scorer in the conference the last 3 years. Mason was right on him and he unfortunately hit a 3 when all they needed was one point. No reasonable basketball mind would fault Pitino for that last shot. The guy has never even been a good 3 point shooter. I'd rather he shoot a contested 3 than get anywhere near the hoop where he's a much better shooter and gets fouled a ton.
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I guess I should apologize for having an opinion. It is obvious that you have everything figured out. In the end, your supported strategy resulted in the best player on Penn State taking and making a shot to win the game. We will have to agree to disagree.
 

Moonlight said:
And this post is the bit of proof needed that you are in over your head merely typing on your phone. People really want to hate Pitino, but I think it's obvious he was joking.
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Thanks for the personal insult. Why do you think Pitino was joking? I think he would be a fool to make jokes after a humiliating loss.
 

Sanctimonious BS re: the coach is still learning. Every coach better be learning unless they're older than dirt like Bojangles Ryan. Our coach knows plenty, and the most important thing he knows is that he needs better players. Whether he can get them to come to MN over the next 2-3 years will dictate his (and our) success. Take your homer glasses off and recognize the deficiencies of this team. The pundits were correct in predicting limited success the past two years. We slightly overachieved last year (down the stretch in the NIT)., and slightly underachieved this year. The truth is, our talent is significantly below average. Let's hope there are some home runs in the incoming players to build a foundation for future, ongoing success.
 



underground629 said:
Are you really that narrow-minded? If we double-teamed and they got a wide open layup or shot you would biitch too. Sometimes good players just hit shots that are well-defended and it's not the coach's fault. There's a reason he's been a leading scorer in the conference the last 3 years. Mason was right on him and he unfortunately hit a 3 when all they needed was one point. No reasonable basketball mind would fault Pitino for that last shot. The guy has never even been a good 3 point shooter. I'd rather he shoot a contested 3 than get anywhere near the hoop where he's a much better shooter and gets fouled a ton.
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Newbill, who according you can't shoot 3's was 5-11 from the 3 point line in today's game. Newbill finished the game with 31 points and no one else on the Penn State team had more than 14.
 

He maybe a coach, but handling of the players this year was childish. Pitino needs to grow up, or he'll
be an ass't coach at Louisville in 3 years. Eric Musselman was the next person to be interviewed by Woody. In 3 years he may regret he had Eric cancel his flight from Scottsdale.
 

Moonlight said:
And this post is the bit of proof needed that you are in over your head merely typing on your phone. People really want to hate Pitino, but I think it's obvious he was joking.
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I can see how you'd think he was joking, as he's very sarcastic, but he wasn't this time. He was blaming it on the time change, per say...but it came out that way. I think it was Marcus that asked why there wasn't any energy for senior day, and if he was surprised/ he just casually listed that. It's not like he was blaming it for a loss, he didn't mention it again, but it wasn't a great reason.
 

I didn't watch the game today because I felt like this result was a real possibility after reading the post-game quotes following the Wisconsin game. It seemed like the focus was far more on the BTT and the players were either taking PSU for granted or knew this game didn't mean anything for their tourney hopes. I find Mo's post game comments to be comical: can't be thought of as contenders or get any respect when the team puts the product on the floor that it has more often than not this year.

It's tough after the Michigan State game, a lot of posters were saying how the Gophers didn't "quit" like Nebraska had this year under Miles. While I think it goes too far to say this team quit, I don't feel like this team came out with great effort very often and certainly was not consistent with it. If you just look at the home games, when was this team fired up from the opening tip and gave the crowd something to get behind? I've never felt like this team was locked in from the opening tip to the final buzzer and it was alarming how many times they got behind early on their own home court.

Eliason- I wouldn't have minded if Elliott got a start somewhere during the middle of conference play and Mo played limited to no minutes if only to see if that could have lit a fire under Mo on the defensive end of the floor. I think Bakary was used correctly as the second center as you can't play entirely for this year when you start out 0-5 in conference play. Who knows what went on in practice, but I assume Mo was consistently getting the better of Elliott or we would have seen more minutes for Eliason at some point before the wheels really fell off the season.

Final shot- Saw the highlight and have no issue with how it was defended. Newbill's last two makes were difficult, the 3 for the win especially so. Got to live with a pull up deep 3 off the bounce in a tie game. Much more concerned with the Gophers getting down by 13(!) on their home court against a bad Penn State team on a 6 game losing streak.
 

burton34 said:
Thanks for the personal insult. Why do you think Pitino was joking? I think he would be a fool to make jokes after a humiliating loss.
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Oh, I'm sorry - i assumed since you talked like this about Pitino that you'd be comfortable. Good to know you only think its ok to personally insult others this way. So like, I can't call you a fool. (or in this case I would probably say ass) but you can call Pitino a fool if you'd like. Got it. Glad to know the rules here.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
A redshirt means you don't play at all. Zero. Not a second. So, yes. No redshirt for Diedhiou. But not sure he makes sense longer term anyway.
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Wrong

You can still redshirt if you have played in the season.
 

woozee said:
Am I missing something? Bakary looks like he has adequately put together a resumé that says he should have played above EE.
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My goodness, yes. Missing a lot. Your "analysis" is that of a very young person.

Konate was a foul machine who turned the ball over a ton. He was called for more fouls/min than EE in both B1G play and the nonconference. Those two shot the ball at approx the same frequency (11% in B1G; 11% & 12% overall for BK & EE, respectively), but Elliott had a better assist rate and his turnover rate was roughly HALF of BK's... not to mention EE shot 11.4% better than BK from the field (all 2FGA's for both).

You can cry about EE's poor FT shooting and while I agree it was bad -- EE shot 45.0% from the line -- he scored at about a 0.95 ppp clip when he went to the line.. Bakary's ORtg this year was 88! (and BK was only 50.0% at the line...)

The truth is the stats show EE was better in his time both in the noncon and in B1G play.

The truth is the stats don't show all of his advantages defensively.

NOW - if you wanted to play BK at the 4 while EE or Mo is out there to get him some time - GREAT. Go ahead. But EE needed more minutes.

Diedhiou is another story. One of the ugliest (advanced) stat lines in a season you'll ever see.

For purposes of winning games, Pitino blew it with his (non-)use of EE. This is not about Walker - praise due to him, he did his thing on many nights - this is about the many minutes Walker was on the bench... along WITH EE. This is about the select opportunities when a fifth-year senior center combo was an option that should have been considered.

MN's defense did something ... not good ... the worst in a decade. More on that another day.

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PS - on Newbill.. PSU is a unique team relative to Devonte's role.. he's an extremely high usage / %Shots player and effective offensively, for a team that overall is crap offensively. He warrants more attention. I don't necessarily need a double-team, but a 6'4" senior Devonte is licking his chops when the one guy you put on him deep in the backcourt is a 6'1" freshman. Elevate for a good look.
 

We lost the game because Andre H missed every shot he had in the 2nd half - a wide open 3 would have given us a 4 point lead. For the season, this team was put together without 5 outstanding Minnesota recruits who went elsewhere...
 

So glad we have the wisdom of so many excellent coaches here on GH!

Just settle down. Give the guy a chance and just stop all your b!tching
 


Gotta love the stance that EE not playing enough was a big factor with the season.:rolleyes:
 

Gopher Warrior said:
My goodness, yes. Missing a lot. Your "analysis" is that of a very young person.

Konate was a foul machine who turned the ball over a ton. He was called for more fouls/min than EE in both B1G play and the nonconference. Those two shot the ball at approx the same frequency (11% in B1G; 11% & 12% overall for BK & EE, respectively), but Elliott had a better assist rate and his turnover rate was roughly HALF of BK's... not to mention EE shot 11.4% better than BK from the field (all 2FGA's for both).

You can cry about EE's poor FT shooting and while I agree it was bad -- EE shot 45.0% from the line -- he scored at about a 0.95 ppp clip when he went to the line.. Bakary's ORtg this year was 88! (and BK was only 50.0% at the line...)

The truth is the stats show EE was better in his time both in the noncon and in B1G play.

The truth is the stats don't show all of his advantages defensively.

NOW - if you wanted to play BK at the 4 while EE or Mo is out there to get him some time - GREAT. Go ahead. But EE needed more minutes.

Diedhiou is another story. One of the ugliest (advanced) stat lines in a season you'll ever see.

For purposes of winning games, Pitino blew it with his (non-)use of EE. This is not about Walker - praise due to him, he did his thing on many nights - this is about the many minutes Walker was on the bench... along WITH EE. This is about the select opportunities when a fifth-year senior center combo was an option that should have been considered.

MN's defense did something ... not good ... the worst in a decade. More on that another day.

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PS - on Newbill.. PSU is a unique team relative to Devonte's role.. he's an extremely high usage / %Shots player and effective offensively, for a team that overall is crap offensively. He warrants more attention. I don't necessarily need a double-team, but a 6'4" senior Devonte is licking his chops when the one guy you put on him deep in the backcourt is a 6'1" freshman. Elevate for a good look.
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We did two significant things that I can see- we were dead last on three point defense and dead last on defensive rebounds.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
My goodness, yes. Missing a lot. Your "analysis" is that of a very young person.

Konate was a foul machine who turned the ball over a ton. He was called for more fouls/min than EE in both B1G play and the nonconference. Those two shot the ball at approx the same frequency (11% in B1G; 11% & 12% overall for BK & EE, respectively), but Elliott had a better assist rate and his turnover rate was roughly HALF of BK's... not to mention EE shot 11.4% better than BK from the field (all 2FGA's for both).

You can cry about EE's poor FT shooting and while I agree it was bad -- EE shot 45.0% from the line -- he scored at about a 0.95 ppp clip when he went to the line.. Bakary's ORtg this year was 88! (and BK was only 50.0% at the line...)

The truth is the stats show EE was better in his time both in the noncon and in B1G play.

The truth is the stats don't show all of his advantages defensively.

NOW - if you wanted to play BK at the 4 while EE or Mo is out there to get him some time - GREAT. Go ahead. But EE needed more minutes.

Diedhiou is another story. One of the ugliest (advanced) stat lines in a season you'll ever see.

For purposes of winning games, Pitino blew it with his (non-)use of EE. This is not about Walker - praise due to him, he did his thing on many nights - this is about the many minutes Walker was on the bench... along WITH EE. This is about the select opportunities when a fifth-year senior center combo was an option that should have been considered.

MN's defense did something ... not good ... the worst in a decade. More on that another day.

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PS - on Newbill.. PSU is a unique team relative to Devonte's role.. he's an extremely high usage / %Shots player and effective offensively, for a team that overall is crap offensively. He warrants more attention. I don't necessarily need a double-team, but a 6'4" senior Devonte is licking his chops when the one guy you put on him deep in the backcourt is a 6'1" freshman. Elevate for a good look.
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Why even watch the game if you are going to throw the stats through your sausage machine and assess on that basis? Using advanced stats for 2 freshmen big men doesn't make any sense and in fact (since I'm not allowed to say it) further des**oys yo*r cred**ility
 

I said the guy has never been a good 3 point shooter. 32% for his career. Excellent inside the 3 point line for his career scoring and drawing fouls. With a tie game, him shooting a deep contested 3 is the shot you want--he just happened to make it. You seem like a great 20/20 hindsight coach.

CDH27 said:
Newbill, who according you can't shoot 3's was 5-11 from the 3 point line in today's game. Newbill finished the game with 31 points and no one else on the Penn State team had more than 14.
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book said:
We lost the game because Andre H missed every shot he had in the 2nd half - a wide open 3 would have given us a 4 point lead.
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It's to bad, he really got tight especially after starting the game so hot, it happens though, tough loss.
 



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