Zulgad: Claeys isn’t necessarily long-term solution for Gophers

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Nomellini said:
I don't know what Big Ten team is coached by Mr. Smith. Chryst, Dantonio and Ferentz have much easier recruiting tasks in that their programs have accomplished much more than Minnesota has, at least since 2000. Minnesota needs someone who clearly radiates some kind of positive energy. Mr. Claeys simply does not do that.
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Add Riley to the list. I see, so your argument is that when Ferentz and Dantonio started to build those programs, they were dynamic and radiated positive energy back then? Really? They've been the same even keel, pretty much hum, drum personalities that they were when they got those jobs.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Add Riley to the list. I see, so your argument is that when Ferentz and Dantonio started to build those programs, they were dynamic and radiated positive energy back then? Really? They've been the same even keel, pretty much hum, drum personalities that they were when they got those jobs.
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Dantonio is permanently grumpy... but I get why:

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wdgold said:
All he has to do next year is beat the badgers and he's in for the long haul

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If we beat the Badgers next year I will run on the field and grab the axe. I will surely have to wash my hands afterwards but I will take it away from the skunks.

Go Gophers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Beth the fill-in AD is replaced by Coyle who then decides to stay with the fill-in coach. Kinda ironic. And gutless.
 

Mick Turition said:
Beth the fill-in AD is replaced by Coyle who then decides to stay with the fill-in coach. Kinda ironic. And gutless.
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At this point, we don't really know if Coyle believes Claeys is the long-term answer - OR if Coyle is buying himself one more year to evaluate Claeys and get the facility improvements completed.
This could be a delaying tactic by Coyle - putting the final decision off for a year. If the Gophers fall on their faces next season, I don't think anyone would be shocked if Coyle made a move.
Let's watch this thing play out. We could very well be having the same conversation one year from now.
 



PMWinSTP said:
Add Riley to the list. I see, so your argument is that when Ferentz and Dantonio started to build those programs, they were dynamic and radiated positive energy back then? Really? They've been the same even keel, pretty much hum, drum personalities that they were when they got those jobs.
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When I see Dantonio and Ferentz, I see some intensity. I can imagine them going into a kid's home and closing the deal with the help of their presence.We don't need a Howard Hill but we do need someone with some animation and persuasive aptitude. I just do not see Claeys embracing this crucial part of coaching.
 

Nomellini said:
When I see Dantonio and Ferentz, I see some intensity. I can imagine them going into a kid's home and closing the deal with the help of their presence.We don't need a Howard Hill but we do need someone with some animation and persuasive aptitude. I just do not see Claeys embracing this crucial part of coaching.
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Eye of the beholder. This whole "presence" stuff is BS, and certainly not "crucial". What is "persuasive aptitude" anyway?
 

PMWinSTP said:
Eye of the beholder. This whole "presence" stuff is BS, and certainly not "crucial". What is "persuasive aptitude" anyway?
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Exactly. It's all about making a connection. Maybe Claeys's down-to-earth personality appeals to some recruits and their parents. I would not be real fond of a Brewster-type (used car salesman) recruiter if it was my kid.
 






Claeys is not a rah-rah guy but you know what? Neither is his boss. Coyle is clearly a manager ADs(rather than cheerleader ADs like Teague and Maturi). Maybe they fit well together.
 



Nomellini said:
When I see Dantonio and Ferentz, I see some intensity. I can imagine them going into a kid's home and closing the deal with the help of their presence.We don't need a Howard Hill but we do need someone with some animation and persuasive aptitude. I just do not see Claeys embracing this crucial part of coaching.
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Good point. Just for the record, how many times have you seen TC in a recruit's home?


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PMWinSTP said:
Eye of the beholder. This whole "presence" stuff is BS, and certainly not "crucial". What is "persuasive aptitude" anyway?
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Thank you again for responding. Kill had an energetic, enthusiastic presence or persona at Minnesota.The community recognized it and responded to it. I don't see it in Claeys. I'm not sure that Claeys is willing or maybe able to execute the many off-field tasks involved with D1 head coaching. Like it or not, recruiting is part of the job and recruiting is about winning people over to your side. Some coaches have an obvious knack for it, some do not. I fervently hope that Claeys does. We will find out!
 

MaxyJR1 said:
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Looks like some Rah to me.
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This picture could use some photoshop work. What exactly is he holding up? The head of a rival? The first born child of the Lannisters?
 

Sparlimb said:
This picture could use some photoshop work. What exactly is he holding up? The head of a rival? The first born child of the Lannisters?
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I get tired of people saying that his weight should factor into the job, but a picture of a cheeseburger would make this a pretty funny picture.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I get tired of people saying that his weight should factor into the job, but a picture of a cheeseburger would make this a pretty funny picture.
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I was going to say a Dilly Bar.
 

Nomellini said:
Thank you again for responding. Kill had an energetic, enthusiastic presence or persona at Minnesota.The community recognized it and responded to it. I don't see it in Claeys. I'm not sure that Claeys is willing or maybe able to execute the many off-field tasks involved with D1 head coaching. Like it or not, recruiting is part of the job and recruiting is about winning people over to your side. Some coaches have an obvious knack for it, some do not. I fervently hope that Claeys does. We will find out!
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The community responded to CHANGE because we got rid of Brewster and started winning. That's it.

The community loved Brewster for a bit and turned on him rapidly. It's about winning. Don't over-complicate it.

How quickly do you think Jerry Kill's folksy charm would have turned into country bumpkin had started winning 3 games a year? I'll tell you. . . immediately.

There are great coaches with a wide variety of personalities and terrible coaches with a wide variety of personalities.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The community responded to CHANGE because we got rid of Brewster and started winning. That's it.

The community loved Brewster for a bit and turned on him rapidly. It's about winning. Don't over-complicate it.

How quickly do you think Jerry Kill's folksy charm would have turned into country bumpkin had started winning 3 games a year? I'll tell you. . . immediately.

There are great coaches with a wide variety of personalities and terrible coaches with a wide variety of personalities.
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Yep. Coaches dont put fans in the seats, wins do. Apparently fans in mn are more picky about their wims though.
 

Sparlimb said:
This picture could use some photoshop work. What exactly is he holding up? The head of a rival? The first born child of the Lannisters?
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Once it's the head of Chryst we can put to rest the passionless talk.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The community responded to CHANGE because we got rid of Brewster and started winning. That's it.

The community loved Brewster for a bit and turned on him rapidly. It's about winning. Don't over-complicate it.

How quickly do you think Jerry Kill's folksy charm would have turned into country bumpkin had started winning 3 games a year? I'll tell you. . . immediately.

There are great coaches with a wide variety of personalities and terrible coaches with a wide variety of personalities.
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Precisely. It is rather simple. It is about winning and winning is largely dependent upon recruiting. I have read on this site that Minnesota currently has the 14th best class in the Big 10 for 2017. If true, this would seem to suggest that recruiting may not be the forte of Mr. Claeys. Is he up to this task? I think it's a legitimate question. Again, we will see.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The community responded to CHANGE because we got rid of Brewster and started winning. That's it.

The community loved Brewster for a bit and turned on him rapidly. It's about winning. Don't over-complicate it.

How quickly do you think Jerry Kill's folksy charm would have turned into country bumpkin had started winning 3 games a year? I'll tell you. . . immediately.

There are great coaches with a wide variety of personalities and terrible coaches with a wide variety of personalities.
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So true.

So much irrelevant stuff folks observe on here and declare "hey that isn't like it is elsewhere" and somehow decide that is what we need to do....

Jim Harbaugh would be some childish jerk off that nobody likes with his act if he didn't win. But win and he's just some crazy genius.

Hell midway through 15 folks were turning on Kill... they didn't like his folksy stuck in the mud ways.

These bizarre observations reminds me of survivorship bias where everyone over emphasizes successful aspects you can observe, and miss everything else that is potentially more important.

Same thing goes with attendance stuff... it's all Ws.
 

Sparlimb said:
This picture could use some photoshop work. What exactly is he holding up? The head of a rival? The first born child of the Lannisters?
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I think they're doing the little gopher thing.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
The community responded to CHANGE because we got rid of Brewster and started winning. That's it.

The community loved Brewster for a bit and turned on him rapidly. It's about winning. Don't over-complicate it.

How quickly do you think Jerry Kill's folksy charm would have turned into country bumpkin had started winning 3 games a year? I'll tell you. . . immediately.

There are great coaches with a wide variety of personalities and terrible coaches with a wide variety of personalities.
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You're right. It is about winning. The question with Kill was always could he recruit well enough to win at the highest level. He proved he couldn't. Yet some people think a lifelong assistant of Kill with less personality will do better. 'Claeys deserves a chance to have his offensive hires recruit better players'. Yet his hires came from Louisiana-Lafayette and Florida Atlantic. Claeys is 0-8 against ranked teams/rivals. The writing is on the wall.
 

What I see, is that this team was set up to have a big year this year based on everything Kill built and the stellar recruiting class coming in. What I saw was a staff that was good enough to win the games they should have most definitely won, and stay in toss up games.

I'm basing my opinion off of the fact that Kill was beating Nebraska, Penn St, and Iowa before he became extremely run down and ill.

Kill had also just brought in his best, a very good, recruiting class. I don't see the types of players that were coming in under Kill coming in under Claeys.

My thought was, can Claeys take them to the next level? He is a smart guy and I liked everything he has said since he arrived with Kill. What I saw, with everything set up for him, was that no he can't.

A little side note, is it possible that Sawvel is a better DC than Claeys? Maybe not, just a thought.

So what makes people think things will be better next year? People seem to think because it's his 2nd year and he will have learned some things. But he's been around it 25 years.

Did the team get better as the year went on? Will we have a QB that will be a difference maker? What happens in 2 or 3 years if our next 2 recruiting classes are bottom of the Big Ten? Doesn't that make it worse if we make a change in 2 years?

How many people would bet on us to win the bowl game? Tennessee or WSU? I wouldn't.

Unless Claeys can generate quite a change on offense next year, I don't see how he sticks around. I think it's obvious he has to win a minimum of 8 or more next year and beat some good teams/rivals. Because he'll never get the players he needs if he doesn't do what a lot of posters on here have been saying, and that's just win (and just winning means beating quality teams, not just the bottom of the Big Ten).

There has been too much momentum built, with some of the players we've had coming through, last years recruiting class, and the big time new facilities coming to be squandered.


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