Zulgad: Claeys isn’t necessarily long-term solution for Gophers

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SamSquatch said:
Tracy Claeys is not the guy who should coach this team.

I do not have a list of potential replacements. If we made a switch, we would have a list of potential, qualified candidates. I don't have that.

Claeys is a dud supreme. I would prefer to go through the process of identifying someone new to keeping Claeys.
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If you don't have a guy in mind... but argue can't move forward with a guy you're not sure about .. do you not do anything?

How does that even work with any sports hiring.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
If you don't have a guy in mind... but argue can't move forward with a guy you're not sure about .. do you not do anything?

How does that even work with any sports hiring.
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I'm not sure I understand the dissonance.

Claeys should not be coach. There are qualified candidates that would be an improvement, I believe.

You do something. You make the decision at the end of the year that Claeys was a suitable holdover and now that time is done. You interview proper candidates and make a decision. Preferably a good one.
 

SamSquatch said:
I'm not sure I understand the dissonance.

Claeys should not be coach. There are qualified candidates that would be an improvement, I believe.

You do something. You make the decision at the end of the year that Claeys was a suitable holdover and now that time is done. You interview proper candidates and make a decision. Preferably a good one.
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You set the bar at "Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy."


But you don't have someone you think is the guy...
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
You set the bar at "Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy."


But you don't have someone you think is the guy...
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SamSquatch wants Saban, Zimmer, or Dungy. All would be better than TC.


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I think Claeys is a salt-of-the-earth guy with lots of integrity who has a rapport with his players. He has won with good players but I do not think he was instrumental in bringing these players to Minnesota. Unless he has a dynamic, charismatic recruiter on board, I think he is in trouble. I just do not see his persona resonating with kids who do not know him.
 


Spoofin said:
SamSquatch wants Saban, Zimmer, or Dungy. All would be better than TC.


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I kinda was wondering if that is where it is going. Seems to be the case with a number of fans.
 


All he has to do next year is beat the badgers and he's in for the long haul

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Nomellini said:
I think Claeys is a salt-of-the-earth guy with lots of integrity who has a rapport with his players. He has won with good players but I do not think he was instrumental in bringing these players to Minnesota. Unless he has a dynamic, charismatic recruiter on board, I think he is in trouble. I just do not see his persona resonating with kids who do not know him.
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Said before, half the coaches in the B1G are like that...Chryst, Dantonio, Smith, Ferentz...they seem to do OK recruiting.
 



Spoofin said:
Have you reached out to Coyle yet? You are clearly an elite CFB Coaching mind and I am certain he would appreciate your input. You could explain the hiring process to him as well - you seem to have that down too.


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I don't understand the downspeak and vitriol simply because I advocate for a coaching change.

I don't want some absurd name. There are other options. Please don't bucket anyone that suggests we could get a qualified candidate as only having eyes for Miles, Dungy, etc. It's dismissive and inaccurate.

My opinion, and the opinion of others, is that Claeys is not the guy. That alone is enough to make the decision to move on. Simply because I do not have a name, or list of, to provide, does not indicate an expectation of hiring an out-of-reach candidate.

It's just not accurate to say those who prefer a Claeys-less Gopher team are fools who expect a high-end name to arrive.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
If you don't have a guy in mind... but argue can't move forward with a guy you're not sure about .. do you not do anything?

How does that even work with any sports hiring.
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with all due respect - you seem to be saying that, if I (or anyone else on this board) does not have a pre-designated list of candidates, then we are not allowed to discuss changing coaches.

Throwing out a list of names doesn't mean squat. Those "candidates" may or may not be interested in the Gopher job. Their philosophy of coaching/running a program may not be a good fit with the Gopher AD and his vision for the program. That's why you have a job search and conduct interviews - to find the "right" candidate. The first step in the process is determining that the program needs to make a change. For now, Coyle has decided the program does not need to make a change, so it's a moot point.

But, having said that, I am not sold on Claeys as the long-term coach. I'll give him a year to see what happens on the field - and also off-the field with ticket sales, fund-raising, recruiting etc. Another 8-win season and Claeys' job is safe. But, if the team slips to 6 or 7 wins, with another drop in attendance and slow fund-raising, Coyle is going to be backed into a corner.
 

I am glad that we kept Claeys. I think he deserved to be retained. I could never be comfortable with firing an eight win coach regardless of who is available. However, I cannot fault what Jud wrote. You do not have to agree with it but it makes sense. If we are bleeding $$$ due to attendance, losing and the right person is available, I can see the change being made. Everything to attract a better coach would be in place. I am sure the extension will be favorable for Claeys in terms of incentives and favorable to the U in terms of buyout. Claeys, to me, is just like Gutey. Never was going to inspire the masses but seemed like a great guy who you wanted to be successful. I hope Claeys is able to capitalize.
 



SamSquatch said:
I don't understand the downspeak and vitriol simply because I advocate for a coaching change.

I don't want some absurd name. There are other options. Please don't bucket anyone that suggests we could get a qualified candidate as only having eyes for Miles, Dungy, etc. It's dismissive and inaccurate.

My opinion, and the opinion of others, is that Claeys is not the guy. That alone is enough to make the decision to move on. Simply because I do not have a name, or list of, to provide, does not indicate an expectation of hiring an out-of-reach candidate.

It's just not accurate to say those who prefer a Claeys-less Gopher team are fools who expect a high-end name to arrive.
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So you're saying we need to take a chance on a potential diamond in the rough, unproven type coach, or a middle of the pack but seasoned coach?
 

short ornery norwegian said:
with all due respect - you seem to be saying that, if I (or anyone else on this board) does not have a pre-designated list of candidates, then we are not allowed to discuss changing coaches.

Throwing out a list of names doesn't mean squat. Those "candidates" may or may not be interested in the Gopher job. Their philosophy of coaching/running a program may not be a good fit with the Gopher AD and his vision for the program. That's why you have a job search and conduct interviews - to find the "right" candidate. The first step in the process is determining that the program needs to make a change. For now, Coyle has decided the program does not need to make a change, so it's a moot point.

But, having said that, I am not sold on Claeys as the long-term coach. I'll give him a year to see what happens on the field - and also off-the field with ticket sales, fund-raising, recruiting etc. Another 8-win season and Claeys' job is safe. But, if the team slips to 6 or 7 wins, with another drop in attendance and slow fund-raising, Coyle is going to be backed into a corner.
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I'm saying that that perticular user set the bar for who to continue as HC at: "Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy."

Then in order to move forward with someone else you'd have to have someone you think is the guy to move forward.

Otherwise I've no problem with folks in the "duno camp". I'm there too. I suspect nearly everyone is.
 

SamSquatch said:
I don't understand the downspeak and vitriol simply because I advocate for a coaching change.

I don't want some absurd name. There are other options. Please don't bucket anyone that suggests we could get a qualified candidate as only having eyes for Miles, Dungy, etc. It's dismissive and inaccurate.

My opinion, and the opinion of others, is that Claeys is not the guy. That alone is enough to make the decision to move on. Simply because I do not have a name, or list of, to provide, does not indicate an expectation of hiring an out-of-reach candidate.

It's just not accurate to say those who prefer a Claeys-less Gopher team are fools who expect a high-end name to arrive.
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True, but your declaration of how unqualified he is (see my previous post for quoted statements) after just 1 year with the inherent implication that you then must see what others don't sooner than anyone else would qualify you as an elite CFB Coaching mind, would it not? That or it puts you alongside some of the looniest looney birds on this site.


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PMWinSTP said:
So you're saying we need to take a chance on a potential diamond in the rough, unproven type coach, or a middle of the pack but seasoned coach?
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I sincerely don't have an answer. You vet out those who might be interested - existing head coaches, P5 coordinators, NFL coordinators, whatever. It would be great to get a proven winner, but I don't have a name or expectation. You assemble the best list of candidates you can, and you make the decision from there. Whatever that list entails.
 

Spoofin said:
True, but your declaration of how unqualified he is (see my previous post for quoted statements) after just 1 year with the inherent implication that you then must see what others don't sooner than anyone else would qualify you as an elite CFB Coaching mind, would it not? That or it puts you alongside some of the looniest looney birds on this site.


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Well, it's more than 1 year of games coached, and I am not alone in thinking Claeys is not the guy. I am a fan, and I have my opinion. Simply because we (those who prefer to move forward with a new coach) believe this does not put us in either of the buckets you've provided.
 

SamSquatch said:
I sincerely don't have an answer. You vet out those who might be interested - existing head coaches, P5 coordinators, NFL coordinators, whatever. It would be great to get a proven winner, but I don't have a name or expectation. You assemble the best list of candidates you can, and you make the decision from there. Whatever that list entails.
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How do you know he didn't do that and realized TC was as good or better than the list? Your assumption is there has to be a better choice out there willing and able to come. Most probably would question why, given the program's history, the AD is willing to fire a 1st year HC who won 8 regular season games in the B1G.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Said before, half the coaches in the B1G are like that...Chryst, Dantonio, Smith, Ferentz...they seem to do OK recruiting.
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They're not like that to the media but it doesn't mean they aren't like that behind closed doors. You also don't have to be a talkative off the wall type like Harbaugh or Fleck to be charismatic or appeal to recruits. But you do have to be smart, well spoken, ability to command respect, and know what to say at the right times. It's not one or the other, there is a middle ground.

Those coaches have that. Does Claeys? I don't know. I think there are reason's to doubt it.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
They're not like that to the media but it doesn't mean they aren't like that behind closed doors. You also don't have to be a talkative off the wall type like Harbaugh or Fleck to be charismatic or appeal to recruits. But you do have to be smart, well spoken, ability to command respect, and know what to say at the right times. It's not one or the other, there is a middle ground.

Those coaches have that. Does Claeys? I don't know. I think there are reason's to doubt it.
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That's the point...speculating based on watching him on the sidelines and pressers for roughly a year. He is not at all different from those mentioned in that respect.
 

Just had a thought that next year since we won't have ML7 to trash ad nauseam that we can look forward to hundreds of threads on this TC debate - over analyzing anything good or bad that happens. I just hope he doesn't end the season in a way that settles the debate as Mitch did.


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Spoofin said:
Just had a thought that next year since we won't have ML7 to trash ad nauseam that we can look forward to hundreds of threads on this TC debate - over analyzing anything good or bad that happens. I just hope he doesn't end the season in a way that settles the debate as Mitch did.
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Yeah but it will be one more year close to when we get to hear about Mitch was better than some other guy as time improves his reputation ....
 

I thought his Tuesday press conferences got worse as the season went along...for whatever reason. Dumb questions, he was distracted, it was a strategy, etc.

When he took over the press conferences with Limey in 2013 and after, I thought he was very straight forward and often, very funny. Rarely had short answers He was also very forceful about wanting the head job when he was asked last year. Maybe he felt he had to change his approach as the head guy.

Oh well, let's get to 9-4.
 

Some guy said:
It is not irrational to think your favorite team should let go of an average coach.

You might be wrong and he might be better than average, but it is not irrational.
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That wasn't the point I was trying to make. Fans can be very irrational and reactionary. Like I said, just a few weeks ago there were some Packers fans that wanted Rodgers benched.

I'm not very optimistic about Claeys and I've made that pretty clear. A random poll right after a bad loss to our biggest rival probably doesn't tell a whole lot. That's all I was trying to say.
 

PMWinSTP said:
Said before, half the coaches in the B1G are like that...Chryst, Dantonio, Smith, Ferentz...they seem to do OK recruiting.
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I don't know what Big Ten team is coached by Mr. Smith. Chryst, Dantonio and Ferentz have much easier recruiting tasks in that their programs have accomplished much more than Minnesota has, at least since 2000. Minnesota needs someone who clearly radiates some kind of positive energy. Mr. Claeys simply does not do that.
 

Nomellini said:
I don't know what Big Ten team is coached by Mr. Smith. Chryst, Dantonio and Ferentz have much easier recruiting tasks in that their programs have accomplished much more than Minnesota has, at least since 2000. Minnesota needs someone who clearly radiates some kind of positive energy. Mr. Claeys simply does not do that.
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Bill Belichick doesn't radiate anything, nobody has a problem with that.

These intangible side issues are silly. Nobody cares if someone gets enough Ws... and that's what they need anyway.
 

Nomellini said:
I think Claeys is a salt-of-the-earth guy with lots of integrity who has a rapport with his players. He has won with good players but I do not think he was instrumental in bringing these players to Minnesota. Unless he has a dynamic, charismatic recruiter on board, I think he is in trouble. I just do not see his persona resonating with kids who do not know him.
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I don't think you know how he is in the recruits living room or at the buffet
 

Nomellini said:
I don't know what Big Ten team is coached by Mr. Smith. Chryst, Dantonio and Ferentz have much easier recruiting tasks in that their programs have accomplished much more than Minnesota has, at least since 2000. Minnesota needs someone who clearly radiates some kind of positive energy. Mr. Claeys simply does not do that.
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Is Illinois still in the B1G?
 

I am in the "satisfied Claeys was detained camp", but I understand why others are not convinced yet.
For me the staff he has on board with him is a big positive and let's hope they can win the bowl game, get some good practices in, and end recruiting on a high note.
I know Tracy doesn't have the rugged handsomeness of Kirk F when he chews gum, but it won't matter for the kids or most fans if the program is successful.
 

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