Zulgad: Claeys isn’t necessarily long-term solution for Gophers

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per Judd:

The scuttlebutt is that coming off an eight-win season, Coyle wasn’t going to fire Claeys. But if the Gophers don’t follow with a strong record in 2017, Coyle not only would have TCF Bank Stadium to show off to coaching candidates but also the $166 million Athletes Village that is due to open in 2018 and will include a new indoor practice facility, training facility and offices for the football program.

It will be interesting to see what type of marketing campaign the Gophers launch for 2017 in order to try to get fans back in TCF Bank Stadium. Claeys has proven he isn’t a rah-rah type of guy and has little interest in doing anything but coaching football.

That’s fine if you have an established program with a large fan base but that’s not the case at Minnesota. The Gophers’ average home attendance this season was 43,814, their lowest since 2002. Apathy is a hard thing to overcome and that’s where Gophers football seems to be right now.

This isn’t the first time this has happened, but Coyle has to know he can’t afford to have his biggest-potential revenue producer be off the map. Especially, with an on-campus stadium and new facilities being built with an eye toward becoming far more competitive in the Big Ten.

http://www.1500espn.com/gophers-2/2016/11/zulgads-3-claeys-remain-short-term-solution-gophers/

Go Gophers!!
 

I don't buy the lack of rah rah and other intangible complaints about Claeys.

You can be a total loon and to some extent a nasty PoS and if you get Ws folks will come to the games. So that all resolves itself with wins.

On the other hand I don't think anyone knows if Claeys is necessarily a long term HC... few guys are guaranteed more than their contract guarantees. That's just college football.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I don't buy the lack of rah rah and other intangible complaints about Claeys.

You can be a total loon and to some extent a nasty PoS and if you get Ws folks will come to the games. So that all resolves itself with wins.

On the other hand I don't think anyone knows if Claeys is necessarily a long term HC... few guys are guaranteed more than their contract guarantees. That's just college football.
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I think that's just the thing though about him not being rah rah, is that we haven't beaten anyone big (yet). So you can't just rely on wins, you need some rah rah. Obviously that all changes if he starts us 8-0 and we get into the top 20 or so in the rankings
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I don't buy the lack of rah rah and other intangible complaints about Claeys.

You can be a total loon and to some extent a nasty PoS and if you get Ws folks will come to the games. So that all resolves itself with wins.

On the other hand I don't think anyone knows if Claeys is necessarily a long term HC... few guys are guaranteed more than their contract guarantees. That's just college football.
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Different sport, but Bobby Knight was a prime example of that...

Not many HCs are long-term...10 of the 14 in B1G started in 2012 or later.
 

upnorthkid said:
I think that's just the thing though about him not being rah rah, is that we haven't beaten anyone big (yet). So you can't just rely on wins, you need some rah rah. Obviously that all changes if he starts us 8-0 and we get into the top 20 or so in the rankings
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Yeah it probably wouldn't help Claeys to go all rah rah now. Folks would just hammer on that.

Damned if you rah, damned if you don't rah.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Yeah it probably wouldn't help Claeys to go all rah rah now. Folks would just hammer on that.

Damned if you rah, damned if you don't rah.
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Always think of Jim Wacker (RIP) when the rah-rah thing is brought up. Jeezo- Beezo.
 

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Looks like some Rah to me.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I don't buy the lack of rah rah and other intangible complaints about Claeys.

You can be a total loon and to some extent a nasty PoS and if you get Ws folks will come to the games. So that all resolves itself with wins.

On the other hand I don't think anyone knows if Claeys is necessarily a long term HC... few guys are guaranteed more than their contract guarantees. That's just college football.
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Even the contract doesn't guarantee much of anything for coaches these days outside of how much they will get paid when they get fired. I think the thing with Claeys is when you compare how the fans react to him vs. the previous few coaches we have had there is a distinct difference in the level of passion. Love em or hate em people had strong feelings about Kill, Brewster and Mason. In regards to Claeys that passion just doesn't seem to be there. Some support him some don't but most just seem to have a pretty luke warm opinion of him.
 





MaxyJR1 said:
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Looks like some Rah to me.
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I expect Tracy to outright erupt on the sidelines when he gets his first big win.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
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Looks like some Rah to me.
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This photo was shot at halftime. He was angry because the stadium was half-empty.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Even the contract doesn't guarantee much of anything for coaches these days outside of how much they will get paid when they get fired. I think the thing with Claeys is when you compare how the fans react to him vs. the previous few coaches we have had there is a distinct difference in the level of passion. Love em or hate em people had strong feelings about Kill, Brewster and Mason. In regards to Claeys that passion just doesn't seem to be there. Some support him some don't but most just seem to have a pretty luke warm opinion of him.
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Have you not read the countless threads on this site, seems to be a lot of passion on both sides of the aisle on this matter. We only have 5,267 threads and polls about Claeys job security
 




bemidjigopher said:
Have you not read the countless threads on this site, seems to be a lot of passion on both sides of the aisle on this matter. We only have 5,267 threads and polls about Claeys job security
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I think Claeys is a lot more controversial here ... just because angry people here are more likely to voice their opinions.

And yet even polls here showed way more support at this point than detractors.

Not that many think he is the guy, but they're willing to move forward with him.
 

Unregistered User said:
It's real, it's Rah! Sometimes it's real Rah!

And remember, it's jud that wrote this, and he doesn't give two ****s about Gopher sports.
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It is irritating to me (somewhat) that we even give Zulgad's quotes any play here on Gopherhole.... Same with Dookie Wolfson.

In any case, it would be interesting to know what the players take is on Claeys as a motivator. If anyone has ever had locker room access, I'd be curious with their take... Particularly halftimes....

There is no need for a raving lunatic (ala Harbaugh) on the sidelines, with blood pressure in the coronary danger area after every play, but a bit of overtness would go a long way as far as casual fan perception of our guy.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think Claeys is a lot more controversial here ... just because angry people here are more likely to voice their opinions.

And yet even polls here showed way more support at this point than detractors.

Not that many think he is the guy, but they're willing to move forward with him.
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Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy. Especially for a program that has failed to win and has low local support along with no national presence. Claeys is a shoulder shrug - an insipid character. People have picked up on this. Our poll on Gopherhole was in favor of retaining, but not one-sided. The STrib did a poll that is currently 51% against the idea of extending Claeys.

He hasn't won, he's made some huge gaffes, and the public doesn't particularly like him. His extension was a lazy way of putting off this coaching change for 1-2 years.
 

SamSquatch said:
Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy. Especially for a program that has failed to win and has low local support along with no national presence. Claeys is a shoulder shrug - an insipid character. People have picked up on this. Our poll on Gopherhole was in favor of retaining, but not one-sided. The STrib did a poll that is currently 51% against the idea of extending Claeys.

He hasn't won, he's made some huge gaffes, and the public doesn't particularly like him. His extension was a lazy way of putting off this coaching change for 1-2 years.
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Going forward with Claeys is looking to find out if he is the guy.

Sho then under your theory.... who is the guy they should accept?
 

Vandy said:
It is irritating to me (somewhat) that we even give Zulgad's quotes any play here on Gopherhole.... Same with Dookie Wolfson.

In any case, it would be interesting to know what the players take is on Claeys as a motivator. If anyone has ever had locker room access, I'd be curious with their take... Particularly halftimes....

There is no need for a raving lunatic (ala Harbaugh) on the sidelines, with blood pressure in the coronary danger area after every play, but a bit of overtness would go a long way as far as casual fan perception of our guy.
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This.

Its pointless musing only. No need for anyone to give it more life than that. We do plenty of that on our own here.
 

SamSquatch said:
Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy. Especially for a program that has failed to win and has low local support along with no national presence. Claeys is a shoulder shrug - an insipid character. People have picked up on this. Our poll on Gopherhole was in favor of retaining, but not one-sided. The STrib did a poll that is currently 51% against the idea of extending Claeys.

He hasn't won, he's made some huge gaffes, and the public doesn't particularly like him. His extension was a lazy way of putting off this coaching change for 1-2 years.
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S Trib polls are completely useless and lacking in scientific merit.


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Unregistered User said:
It's real, it's Rah! Sometimes it's real Rah!

And remember, it's jud that wrote this, and he doesn't give two ****s about Gopher sports.
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Yeah, it's Judd. If it wasn't linked here nobody would have even knew of it.
 

Jud's point is that if we fail next year TC could be out? Who is he writing that for? My dog gets that.


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SamSquatch said:
Accepting someone you don't think is the guy is a terrible strategy. Especially for a program that has failed to win and has low local support along with no national presence. Claeys is a shoulder shrug - an insipid character. People have picked up on this. Our poll on Gopherhole was in favor of retaining, but not one-sided. The STrib did a poll that is currently 51% against the idea of extending Claeys.

He hasn't won, he's made some huge gaffes, and the public doesn't particularly like him. His extension was a lazy way of putting off this coaching change for 1-2 years.
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Many fans are irrational when it comes to firing coaches, benching the QB, etc. I wouldn't read into that too much. If you do, you'll probably be changing coaches very often and that isn't realistic.

There were Packers fans calling for Aaron Rodgers to be benched just recently.
 


GophersInIowa said:
Many fans are irrational when it comes to firing coaches, benching the QB, etc. I wouldn't read into that too much. If you do, you'll probably be changing coaches very often and that isn't realistic.

There were Packers fans calling for Aaron Rodgers to be benched just recently.
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I don't have an ideal replacement and I agree STrib polls are awful, but I think it's wrong to claim Claeys has general support. He doesn't.

I also agree you can't be too reactive and capricious with hiring. That said, we have to shrug off the Brewster PTSD that many have. We fear firing Claeys and getting someone worse. We're not going to hire another Brewster. Or it's unlikely at least.

The worst course of action for this team is to keep a coach with the considerations being stability and a fear of a second coming of Brew.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
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Um wat?
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Tracy Claeys is not the guy who should coach this team.

I do not have a list of potential replacements. If we made a switch, we would have a list of potential, qualified candidates. I don't have that.

Claeys is a dud supreme. I would prefer to go through the process of identifying someone new to keeping Claeys.
 

SamSquatch said:
Tracy Claeys is not the guy who should coach this team.

I do not have a list of potential replacements. If we made a switch, we would have a list of potential, qualified candidates. I don't have that.

Claeys is a dud supreme. I would prefer to go through the process of identifying someone new to keeping Claeys.
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Well, that's some kind of logic, I think...circular maybe?
 

GophersInIowa said:
Many fans are irrational when it comes to firing coaches, benching the QB, etc. I wouldn't read into that too much. If you do, you'll probably be changing coaches very often and that isn't realistic.

There were Packers fans calling for Aaron Rodgers to be benched just recently.
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It is not irrational to think your favorite team should let go of an average coach.

You might be wrong and he might be better than average, but it is not irrational.
 

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