Zach Johnson at Gophers Illustrated - Leidner Take

They've been to every practice, which is more than me. I'm willing to listen to what they have to say.

For those that have been to the practices, who looks like they are ready to step up in the starter role next year?

I saw the quarterbacks a couple times in practice...very limited opportunities for them and not enough input for me to declare positive evaluations but for what it is worth.... On those days, Mitch was clearly the best overall quarterback. Rhoda was the second best...despite Tracy's ham handed comment about Croft redshirting and throwing his Offensive coordinator under the bus after he said Rhoda won the the backup position...that's what I saw...Rhoda number two not Croft. Of those two who has the most potential? Clearly Croft does in my opinion...but Rhoda as the OC said is more consistent. Croft could be real good...or not, hard to tell without knowing lots of things. He clearly looks impressive at times. Green was effective but is unorthodox so that's hard to judge in a short time. Claeys has touted him several times this fall as improving a lot. He's the biggest of the three. Williams must be the quickest guy on the team...awesome feet...great punt return, bubble screen, swing pass receiver...get him in space...but he had absolutely no idea where his passes were going to end up...very very inaccurate.

So, overall... Mitch just hasn't played well this year ...certainly one of these guys including Rhoda can play at the level Mitch has played at or higher next year. So the idea from some we will go backwards next year because one of these guys has to play quarterback and we are doomed is folly. Rhoda was solid on the road in his first and only opportunity. We'll be fine at quarterback...our standard is not very high the last however many years. And any one of these guys given the opportunity can blossom and prove he is the guy we have been waiting for. Of course I believe that there is such a thing as gamers...so that's a whole other thread.
 

I saw the quarterbacks a couple times in practice...very limited opportunities for them and not enough input for me to declare positive evaluations but for what it is worth.... On those days, Mitch was clearly the best overall quarterback. Rhoda was the second best...despite Tracy's ham handed comment about Croft redshirting and throwing his Offensive coordinator under the bus after he said Rhoda won the the backup position...that's what I saw...Rhoda number two not Croft. Of those two who has the most potential? Clearly Croft does in my opinion...but Rhoda as the OC said is more consistent. Croft could be real good...or not, hard to tell without knowing lots of things. He clearly looks impressive at times. Green was effective but is unorthodox so that's hard to judge in a short time. Claeys has touted him several times this fall as improving a lot. He's the biggest of the three. Williams must be the quickest guy on the team...awesome feet...great punt return, bubble screen, swing pass receiver...get him in space...but he had absolutely no idea where his passes were going to end up...very very inaccurate.

So, overall... Mitch just hasn't played well this year ...certainly one of these guys including Rhoda can play at the level Mitch has played at or higher next year. So the idea from some we will go backwards next year because one of these guys has to play quarterback and we are doomed is folly. Rhoda was solid on the road in his first and only opportunity. We'll be fine at quarterback...our standard is not very high the last however many years. And any one of these guys given the opportunity can blossom and prove he is the guy we have been waiting for. Of course I believe that there is such a thing as gamers...so that's a whole other thread.

You're high if you think Rhoda will be better than Mitch- solid on the road? I give the kid credit for filling in and doing enough to help us win, but let's be real. He can't run at all and if Mitch had his stat line you'd rail on him.


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I saw the quarterbacks a couple times in practice...very limited opportunities for them and not enough input for me to declare positive evaluations but for what it is worth.... On those days, Mitch was clearly the best overall quarterback. Rhoda was the second best...despite Tracy's ham handed comment about Croft redshirting and throwing his Offensive coordinator under the bus after he said Rhoda won the the backup position...that's what I saw...Rhoda number two not Croft. Of those two who has the most potential? Clearly Croft does in my opinion...but Rhoda as the OC said is more consistent. Croft could be real good...or not, hard to tell without knowing lots of things. He clearly looks impressive at times. Green was effective but is unorthodox so that's hard to judge in a short time. Claeys has touted him several times this fall as improving a lot. He's the biggest of the three. Williams must be the quickest guy on the team...awesome feet...great punt return, bubble screen, swing pass receiver...get him in space...but he had absolutely no idea where his passes were going to end up...very very inaccurate.

So, overall... Mitch just hasn't played well this year ...certainly one of these guys including Rhoda can play at the level Mitch has played at or higher next year. So the idea from some we will go backwards next year because one of these guys has to play quarterback and we are doomed is folly. Rhoda was solid on the road in his first and only opportunity. We'll be fine at quarterback...our standard is not very high the last however many years. And any one of these guys given the opportunity can blossom and prove he is the guy we have been waiting for. Of course I believe that there is such a thing as gamers...so that's a whole other thread.

Thanks for responding. The podcast mentions consistency as in issue for Croft, something that he'll need to work on.

I know most folks think that Rhoda is not the guy next year, and they are probably right. I will say however, if Rhoda was able to improve in the mental game (reading the defense in passing situations, not locking into a reciever, going through his progressions properly to hit the open guy) I don't see why he couldn't be serviceable next year. He's not as gifted physically as Mitch, but if he could be more consistent than Mitch in the mental aspect and make better decisions, could that make up for his lack of athletic ability?
 

"I will say however, if Rhoda was able to improve in the mental game (reading the defense in passing situations, not locking into a reciever, going through his progressions properly to hit the open guy) I don't see why he couldn't be serviceable next year."

The only way he is going to develop that is getting snaps in real games - that is what the non-conference schedule is for and he should have been getting PT in games like IndSt. Unfortunately, we did not blow out any teams this year to allow guys to get some action in 4th quarter garbage time - even though it is garbage time - it is a very valuable learning experience. Rhoda should have had a bunch of snaps vs. IndSt - given everyone projected an injury to ML would be devastating - we should have given a lot more snaps to the backups. I can understand TC wanting to give ML some confidence going into the conference schedule though so I can see it both ways.
 

"I will say however, if Rhoda was able to improve in the mental game (reading the defense in passing situations, not locking into a reciever, going through his progressions properly to hit the open guy) I don't see why he couldn't be serviceable next year."

The only way he is going to develop that is getting snaps in real games - that is what the non-conference schedule is for and he should have been getting PT in games like IndSt. Unfortunately, we did not blow out any teams this year to allow guys to get some action in 4th quarter garbage time - even though it is garbage time - it is a very valuable learning experience. Rhoda should have had a bunch of snaps vs. IndSt - given everyone projected an injury to ML would be devastating - we should have given a lot more snaps to the backups. I can understand TC wanting to give ML some confidence going into the conference schedule though so I can see it both ways.

Agreed, it would have been nice to get him some more time. That said, I don't think that makes it impossible for him to get up to game speed. I mean that's what non-conference is for. Get a couple games under his belt against lesser competition, ease into the B1G schedule? If our run game is stronger next year (which if you look at our roster I would think it will be) that could maybe take some pressure off the QB run/read option game, which Rhoda is not really built for.

Who knows, maybe Rhoda just isn't quite talented enough to start. I'm just lookin at all the possibilities.
 


"There's only two things in athletics, results and hope. There's a lot more hope out there than results because results are too hard to get." -- Glen Mason

Great quote, but I think those who think Demry Croft is better right now or immediately next year are definitely in the hope category. His stat line last year was 7-of-17 passes for 34 yards. Small sample size, but yet it isn't anything to get amped about. Potential yes, but ML is the best we got this week, and next.

Remind me is 7-17 a higher or lower percentage than Mitch this year? I'm guessing it's close.
 

No one other than the coaches has seen these kids in practice since August. No one on here has any clue where they stand at this point.


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No one other than the coaches has seen these kids in practice since August. No one on here has any clue where they stand at this point.


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Yeah but some guys here have gone to the open practices.....

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