wow is Sullinger overrated

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Dr.Don said:
How about if you come back in two months and let the rest of us keep on talking about it until then (or is it than)?
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actually, yes.
you guys keep talking...
when we play the Bucks, i'll bump this.
then lets tally the 15/10's by sullinger... but toss out the rebounds off missed FT.. my god, i could chase those down.

if he's not averging 15/10, you all eat crow.
if he is, i eat.
 

dboy said:
and maybe, just maybe... someday i'll classify hoff as an 'excellent' rebounder.
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Nobody claimed he was an excellent rebounder... in the previous thread where you made a fool of yourself. All compliments were that he was consistant, good for his size, etc.

You seem to watch a fair amount of hoops, so how is it possible that you are so wrong on just about everything you write about?
 

dboy; said:
but toss out the rebounds off missed FT.. my god, i could chase those down.
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I've seen you say this a number of times now, referring to KG, Hoffarber, and now Sullinger...it's probably one of the most idiotic things I've read:

Should we not count steals if they are thrown directly to a defender? Or perhaps not count open layups as points because dboy can make them too? How about let's discount touchdowns in football scored from the goal line if the running back isn't touched, because my mother could walk it in too?

Would you like all sports statisticians to apply The Official Way Stats Should Be Recorded According To dboy when determing stat lines?
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
I've seen you say this a number of times now, referring to KG, Hoffarber, and now Sullinger...it's probably one of the most idiotic things I've read:

Should we not count steals if they are thrown directly to a defender? Or perhaps not count open layups as points because dboy can make them too? How about let's discount touchdowns in football scored from the goal line if the running back isn't touched, because my mother could walk it in too?

Would you like all sports statisticians to apply The Official Way Stats Should Be Recorded According To dboy when determing stat lines?
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the missed FT rebound is one of the easiest stats in all of sports... name an easier one?... action is stopped and you are given inside position.. how much easier can it get??? there is almost no skill involved.... the action IS STOPPED.. you don't even have to be able to run or jump...

what else is easier?

a steal where the ball is passed to you at least involves the skill of right place/right time... you are not told where to stand and the action is NOT STOPPED.

what's easier?
penalty kick in soccer? still need to beat the goalie.
intentional walk in baseball? need to have a reputation.
seriously.. i'm open..

KG was the all-time master... and it cost the wolves at least $100 million over a decade becuase he averaged 12 not 9 per game... 3 bunny rebounds over 82 games over 10 years: $100 million. god what a country!

if sullingers over/under is 10, the boards must be non-bunnies...
 



dboy said:
there is almost no skill involved.... the action IS STOPPED.. you don't even have to be able to run or jump...
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Your lack of basketball understanding truly knows no bounds.

It's obvious you've never boxed someone out, nor even can differentiate a good rebounder from a bad one.

Tell you what; you get on the low block in an NCAA game, or even your nearest men's league...when the shot goes up don't "run or jump." Just stand there...you will find yourself sitting underneath the basket with empty hands.

Whether or not you understand it, there is skill involved regarding one's positioning, their center of gravity, the timing of their jump, their hands (both rebounding the ball, coming down with it, and holding onto it), etc. If you can't see that, I don't have anything else to say to you.

You've made it painfully obvious, but your posts get are getting progressively worse. Just take a break for a bit...it appears that 99.9% of this board really can't understand a single point you attempt to argue.
 

dboy said:
the missed FT rebound is one of the easiest stats in all of sports... name an easier one?... action is stopped and you are given inside position.. how much easier can it get??? there is almost no skill involved.... the action IS STOPPED.. you don't even have to be able to run or jump...

what else is easier?
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I've got one. You can join an opposing team in my summer baseball league and I'll ask to pitch when you bat. I'll hit you in the face with my 68 mph "fastball." You can just stand there; I'll do all the work.
 

dboy said:
the missed FT rebound is one of the easiest stats in all of sports... name an easier one?... action is stopped and you are given inside position.. how much easier can it get??? there is almost no skill involved.... the action IS STOPPED.. you don't even have to be able to run or jump...

what else is easier?

a steal where the ball is passed to you at least involves the skill of right place/right time... you are not told where to stand and the action is NOT STOPPED.

what's easier?
penalty kick in soccer? still need to beat the goalie.
intentional walk in baseball? need to have a reputation.
seriously.. i'm open..

KG was the all-time master... and it cost the wolves at least $100 million over a decade becuase he averaged 12 not 9 per game... 3 bunny rebounds over 82 games over 10 years: $100 million. god what a country!

if sullingers over/under is 10, the boards must be non-bunnies...
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I can't believe I'm even engaging given that you're . . . well . . . logically challenged.

So by your "logic," are Sullinger and Garnett the only players that benefit from these "gimme" rebounding numbers? Do you propose these only count as 1/3 of a rebound? How many times have you been fitted for a straight jacket?

You'd make more sense if you stopped typing.
 

I like how dboy just ignores all of the arguments that show how flawed his logic is. He's still too embarrassed to answer all the people who asked him what his preseason All American list is.

I still can't get over how horrible that argument is. One person put Sullinger as a preseason 1 teamer, but since you don't think he should be, that means he's overrated. So far he's really proven to be overrated...
 



GopherJake said:
I've got one. You can join an opposing team in my summer baseball league and I'll ask to pitch when you bat. I'll hit you in the face with my 68 mph "fastball." You can just stand there; I'll do all the work.
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jake i figured you'd come running... must have sniffed the wind and smelled a 'dis of you bold statment:

"KG is one of the greatest rebounders in NBA history"...

then some holers brought up Wilt, Bill Russell, Moses Malone et. al. and you just kind of cowered away...

glad to have you back. :)
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
Your lack of basketball understanding truly knows no bounds.

It's obvious you've never boxed someone out, nor even can differentiate a good rebounder from a bad one.

Tell you what; you get on the low block in an NCAA game, or even your nearest men's league...when the shot goes up don't "run or jump." Just stand there...you will find yourself sitting underneath the basket with empty hands.

Whether or not you understand it, there is skill involved regarding one's positioning, their center of gravity, the timing of their jump, their hands (both rebounding the ball, coming down with it, and holding onto it), etc. If you can't see that, I don't have anything else to say to you.

You've made it painfully obvious, but your posts get are getting progressively worse. Just take a break for a bit...it appears that 99.9% of this board really can't understand a single point you attempt to argue.
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watch an NBA or college game. 80% of FT rebounds are not contested.
of course the 20% that are contested do require the skills you suggest... but the 80% i refer to require almost no skill...
 

Facts34 said:
I can't believe I'm even engaging given that you're . . . well . . . logically challenged.

So by your "logic," are Sullinger and Garnett the only players that benefit from these "gimme" rebounding numbers? Do you propose these only count as 1/3 of a rebound? How many times have you been fitted for a straight jacket?

You'd make more sense if you stopped typing.
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KG is the worst offender.
I haven't watch sullinger to see what he does... but if he does, the bunnies are out.
 

Safe to say dboy isn't about backing up his opinions. Just throws out flawed logic and unsubstantiated opinions. I always wonder about "who" people are behind their screen names.
 



let me answer my own challenge..

the missed FT rebound is one of the easiest stats in all of sports... name an easier one?... action is stopped and you are given inside position.. how much easier can it get??? there is almost no skill involved.... the action IS STOPPED.. you don't even have to be able to run or jump...

what else is easier?

the FT's resulting from a team needing to foul in the last minute.. where the guy with the ball hugs the ball and waits to be fouled...

some guys get up to 8 points in some games from these bunnies.. these should be tossed out of their official stats..

some guys will move the ball to kill the last few seconds... others, like Jakes man KG, will simply hold it to get the FTs ( which ups his PPG avg, which enriches his contract ).

so what would stop, say a 50 year old bald fat guy from checking into the game at that point, get the inbound pass... and then get fouled? NBA level athleticism? heck no.

so this might actually be easier than the rebounds i refer to.

so for the 'sullinger challenge':

15/10 with no bunnie FT's or rebounds of the bunny variety.
19/12 with no regard to bunnies.

see ya'll in two months.
 

Facts34 said:
I can't believe I'm even engaging given that you're . . . well . . . logically challenged.

So by your "logic," are Sullinger and Garnett the only players that benefit from these "gimme" rebounding numbers? Do you propose these only count as 1/3 of a rebound? How many times have you been fitted for a straight jacket?

You'd make more sense if you stopped typing.
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one more note on the gimme rebounds...
guys like Shaq don't even stand there and rebound ... they head down to the other end of the floor in order to get ready to defend... so did kareem, so did wilt, moses malone, Dwight HOward, etc... just think of the #'s they would have if they were stat hounds like KG and chased missed FT like dogs after a meal?

no one else sees this? :confused:
 

dboy said:
.. where the guy with the ball hugs the ball and waits to be fouled...
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Hey, I benefitted from doing that. No way you are taking my one and only stat away from me. If it wasn't for that I would never have scored in high school. Take a hike man that stat stays.:D Nobody else proposes to change what stats count from now on or I will go postal on you all. Don't give me that crap it didn't take skill to get that rebound either because my skill was being faster than the other guy and positioning myself so I got the ball not him.
 


I just joined in, and at the beginning I tried to give dboy the benefit of the doubt. But after skimming I just can't do it. WOW!

We need to throw out...

Baseball - infield hits, bloop singles, and tough plays that fielders don't make. Without these, Ichiro is just an above average hitter.

Football - Anything that happens that is a result of a fluke. Tipped ball interceptions, defender tripping and falling leaving a receiver wide open, etc.

Hockey - Goals that are not shot directly from stick into net (see Wild game last night), saves that trickle toward the goalie, etc.

dboy, you need to simply stop trying. I applaud your gumption (well, kind of) but you won't get anyone to agree with you. Most of us are rational contributers.
 

Come on dboy. Be a good guy and tell me you're not taking my one rebound and one point in high school from me. Quit foolin around.
 

Crap, maybe I shouldn't have said anything about the freethrow. Freethrows are uncontested so you think those are out too right? Crap, please let me keep my single point at least. Sorry, I missed the second freethrow.
 

Of course you missed it, Central, otherwise there wouldn't have been an easy rebound for the defender!
 

dboy MO. Start a thread, forgets his meds, argues ad nauseum, forgets his meds, tries to argue more, forgets his meds, proven wrong, forgets his meds, babbles on and on, forgets his meds, does anything he wants, forgets his meds, and then forgets his meds again. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dboy uber alles!!!!!!!! (And will still forget his meds.)

At least he gives us lots to laugh about. Go dboy!!!!!
 

dboy said:

dboy said:
the missed FT rebound is one of the easiest stats in all of sports... name an easier one?... action is stopped and you are given inside position.. how much easier can it get??? there is almost no skill involved.... the action IS STOPPED.. you don't even have to be able to run or jump...

what else is easier?
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I said:

GopherJake said:
I've got one. You can join an opposing team in my summer baseball league and I'll ask to pitch when you bat. I'll hit you in the face with my 68 mph "fastball." You can just stand there; I'll do all the work.
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dboy said:

dboy said:
jake i figured you'd come running... must have sniffed the wind and smelled a 'dis of you bold statment:

"KG is one of the greatest rebounders in NBA history"...

then some holers brought up Wilt, Bill Russell, Moses Malone et. al. and you just kind of cowered away...

glad to have you back.
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Kind of a non-sequitor there, don't you think dboy? (Not to mention the fact that I never said that.) Are you having trouble with reading comprehension, in addition to your well-known issues with coherent basketball analysis?

So what's it going to be? Can I please hit you in the face with my 68 mph "fastball?" Easiest play in sports, I think. Even easier than an uncontested free throw rebound.
 

RunGopherRun said:
I just joined in, and at the beginning I tried to give dboy the benefit of the doubt. But after skimming I just can't do it. WOW!

We need to throw out...

Baseball - infield hits, bloop singles, and tough plays that fielders don't make. Without these, Ichiro is just an above average hitter.

Football - Anything that happens that is a result of a fluke. Tipped ball interceptions, defender tripping and falling leaving a receiver wide open, etc.

Hockey - Goals that are not shot directly from stick into net (see Wild game last night), saves that trickle toward the goalie, etc.

dboy, you need to simply stop trying. I applaud your gumption (well, kind of) but you won't get anyone to agree with you. Most of us are rational contributers.
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none of these events can be anticipated.

also, they all involve athletes who can compete at that level ( ex: how could a fat 50 year old possibly be on the ice when a puck is tipped? or have the skill to even earn an AB in MLB) .

the late uncontested FT:

1.) action is STOPPED.
2.) guys walk to their positions.
3.) two defensive guys ARE GIVEN INSIDE POSITION.
4.) an uncontested shot goes up.
5.) the shot must hit rim b4 you can enter the lane.. (giving inside position players further advantage).
6.) depending on the bounce of the ball off the rim, there is almost no humanly way the fat 50 year old could NOT get certain rebounds.. some could literally fall right into his hands.

i dare say every holer could collect at least one of these.

since these are so humanly easy, i will not include them in Sullingers stats.

and the NBA shouldn't include them either.

i've beat this to death.. im out.



so if fat 50 year olds can do it, it should not be considered a NBA skill level stat.
 

dboy said:
none of these events can be anticipated.

also, they all involve athletes who can compete at that level ( ex: how could a fat 50 year old possibly be on the ice when a puck is tipped? or have the skill to even earn an AB in MLB) .

the late uncontested FT:

1.) action is STOPPED.
2.) guys walk to their positions.
3.) two defensive guys ARE GIVEN INSIDE POSITION.
4.) an uncontested shot goes up.
5.) the shot must hit rim b4 you can enter the lane.. (giving inside position players further advantage).
6.) depending on the bounce of the ball off the rim, there is almost no humanly way the fat 50 year old could NOT get certain rebounds.. some could literally fall right into his hands.

i dare say every holer could collect at least one of these.

since these are so humanly easy, i will not include them in Sullingers stats.

and the NBA shouldn't include them either.

i've beat this to death.. im out.



so if fat 50 year olds can do it, it should not be considered a NBA skill level stat.
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You're right. I know a fat 50 year old that can shoot 3 pointers, so we should throw that out as an NBA skill level stat as well.

I think the only thing you've beat to death is the argument you tried to defend. That's pretty much been bashed into bloody sidewalk pulp.
 

dboy said:
none of these events can be anticipated.

also, they all involve athletes who can compete at that level ( ex: how could a fat 50 year old possibly be on the ice when a puck is tipped? or have the skill to even earn an AB in MLB) .

the late uncontested FT:

1.) action is STOPPED.
2.) guys walk to their positions.
3.) two defensive guys ARE GIVEN INSIDE POSITION.
4.) an uncontested shot goes up.
5.) the shot must hit rim b4 you can enter the lane.. (giving inside position players further advantage).
6.) depending on the bounce of the ball off the rim, there is almost no humanly way the fat 50 year old could NOT get certain rebounds.. some could literally fall right into his hands.

i dare say every holer could collect at least one of these.

since these are so humanly easy, i will not include them in Sullingers stats.

and the NBA shouldn't include them either.

i've beat this to death.. im out.



so if fat 50 year olds can do it, it should not be considered a NBA skill level stat.
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You can't anticipate which direction the ball is going to bounce off the rim either so there must be at least some skill and athletic ability involved. I had to run and beat a defender to get mine and had the presence of mind to position my body so that he would be forced to foul me. So come on do I get my stats or what? I can't live my life without my one rebound and one point. If I don't have them something drastic will need to be done.:rolleyes:
 

CentralGopher said:
You can't anticipate which direction the ball is going to bounce off the rim either so there must be at least some skill and athletic ability involved. I had to run and beat a defender to get mine and had the presence of mind to position my body so that he would be forced to foul me. So come on do I get my stats or what? I can't live my life without my one rebound and one point. If I don't have them something drastic will need to be done.:rolleyes:
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Central...Consider your stats counted as official. Ya gotta remember, dboy has forgotten his meds for the last several days so whatever he says is bull$hit. :horse:
 




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