wow is Sullinger overrated

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dboy said:
yes, it is a bit shallow.. i need a shower... however, i only drop the ValleyGirl 'omg's because i have others dropping f-bombs and other insults like five year olds.. QUOTE]

What 5 year olds do you know? :eek:
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That's fine, just wanted to answer your original question. I don't agree with Parrish, btw.
 


Gopher07 said:
That's fine, just wanted to answer your original question. I don't agree with Parrish, btw.
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Don't get me wrong - I appreciate the info, I'm just stating that any "All-American" award not from the AP means about as much as you or me making our own lists.
 

dboy said:
since he is preseason first team all-american, the season can only end two ways:
1.) he's first team and he is fairly rated.
2.) he's NOT first team all-am and hence he is over rated.

he, by definition, can not be underrated.

so you feel he will end up first team all-am and not 'overrated'.
we'll see.
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I probably shouldn't be replying because I know you like to rile people up on here, but I will anyways. First of all, he is not a preseason first team all-american. Harrison Barnes is the first freshman ever to be on it since they started doing this sort of thing in 1986-87. Second of all, he is not overrated in the fact that he is a VERY good player. He is simply overrated in the fact that he is viewed by some as POY material before he has played half a season in college. You need to stop putting words in other people's mouths.
 

I've seen Sullinger play 4 times in person and then on tv this year. He's getting more explosive every year. For an 18 year old kid to have his hops with his size? By the time he's 22.... Some simply lack the ability to project talent. Some find it easy to destroy than to build as well. However, to call Harrison Barnes overrated is flat out ridiculous. First team all American? I'll give him a solid yes. Sullinger? Not this year but he will make 2nd or 3rd if Ohio State is as good as I think they'll be.

Oh and Dboy.....take a look at Barkley's stats for his 3 year college career. 14.8 pts, 9.6 rebounds and stands 6'4". Sullinger will dwarf those stats this year and be a top 5 pick in the draft next summer. So you are right Barkley to Sullinger is a bad comparison. My apologies to Jarred.
 

b4 you waste the 5th pick, make sure sullinger can:

1.) face the basket.
2.) take someone off the dribble.
3.) take someone off the dribble with a spin move.
4.) hit a mid-range jumper.
5.) hit a 3 (optional).
6.) play D against 4's or 5's.
7.) run the floor.

kevin love can do all these... sullinger cant do any of them yet.

Would you draft kevin love 5th if he was coming out of college with his current skill set? a fifth pick is a franchise building pick... would you build a franchise around this type of guy???

i didn't see sullinger do anything last night but catch and finish bunnies... throw up an ugly left handed jump-hook after being stuffed, and toss in a 10 foot jump hook.

i did see him, in the low block, turn to HIS right and try a little jumper, much like Colton does, to only have it rejected by the D w/o the D even jumping.

so with the skill set i have seen, and the lack of explosion off the floor ( he is not a 'quick' jumper.. he needs 1 or 2 steps to gather himself much like Kevin Love ), i deem him overrated.

now if sullinger goest for 26/15 against our bigs, i'll eat my words.

florida played some of the worst D i have ever seen in a D1 game. don't base all your opinions on ESPN highlights.

now will he be a 15/8 guy, sure. will he make the nba? sure.. is he one of the top 5 players in the nation right now, no way.
 



dboy said:
b4 you waste the 5th pick, make sure sullinger can:

1.) face the basket.
2.) take someone off the dribble.
3.) take someone off the dribble with a spin move.
4.) hit a mid-range jumper.
5.) hit a 3 (optional).
6.) play D against 4's or 5's.
7.) run the floor.

kevin love can do all these... sullinger cant do any of them yet.

Would you draft kevin love 5th if he was coming out of college with his current skill set? a fifth pick is a franchise building pick... would you build a franchise around this type of guy???

i didn't see sullinger do anything last night but catch and finish bunnies... throw up an ugly left handed jump-hook after being stuffed, and toss in a 10 foot jump hook.

i did see him, in the low block, turn to HIS right and try a little jumper, much like Colton does, to only have it rejected by the D w/o the D even jumping.

so with the skill set i have seen, and the lack of explosion off the floor ( he is not a 'quick' jumper.. he needs 1 or 2 steps to gather himself much like Kevin Love ), i deem him overrated.

now if sullinger goest for 26/15 against our bigs, i'll eat my words.

florida played some of the worst D i have ever seen in a D1 game. don't base all your opinions on ESPN highlights.

now will he be a 15/8 guy, sure. will he make the nba? sure.. is he one of the top 5 players in the nation right now, no way.
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I don't think he's one of the top 5 players in the nation right now and I doubt many do. What I will say is he WILL be a top 5 pick in the draft because of his potential. That's what the draft is always about. So let me get this straight. We aren't supposed to think he's great because he had one good game but you characterize him as overrated over a missed shot?

And let's settle down on Love being able to guard a 4/5. From what I've seen recently that's a huge embellishment. Gophs will be fortunate to keep him to a low double/double. He's way too crafty down low and our bigs are not great defenders.

Sullinger isn't a finished product at 18 but he can feel free to leave the Big10 at his earliest convenience.
 

does anyone remember when the idiot last year watched one john wall game and said he was overrated, this is what this reminds me of.
 

actually, it reminds me of the football board three months ago when some proclaimed Ra'Shede Hageman to be the breakout star this year...

@6'6", 300 lbs and the strongest guy in the weight room... how could he not miss at DE??? with TE skills and a lifetime on the basketball court, he certainly had the feet!..

but some argued that weight room #'s don't translate into D-line strength... leverage, etc also mattered..

they were shouted down as 'idiots'..

in sports, there are a lot more 'misses' than 'hits'.. call me negative, its just the truth.
 

Duthasmon Smith said:
I don't think he's one of the top 5 players in the nation right now and I doubt many do. What I will say is he WILL be a top 5 pick in the draft because of his potential. That's what the draft is always about. So let me get this straight. We aren't supposed to think he's great because he had one good game but you characterize him as overrated over a missed shot?

And let's settle down on Love being able to guard a 4/5. From what I've seen recently that's a huge embellishment. Gophs will be fortunate to keep him to a low double/double. He's way too crafty down low and our bigs are not great defenders.

Sullinger isn't a finished product at 18 but he can feel free to leave the Big10 at his earliest convenience.
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so after all this, we agree: sullinger, being pegged by cbssportsline as one of the top 5 in the nation this year, is overrated at that ranking. :clap:
 



dboy said:
i didn't see sullinger do anything last night but catch and finish bunnies... throw up an ugly left handed jump-hook after being stuffed, and toss in a 10 foot jump hook.

i did see him, in the low block, turn to HIS right and try a little jumper, much like Colton does, to only have it rejected by the D w/o the D even jumping.
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Well, it appears that you've accounted for at least half of the shots Sullinger missed. He was 13-17 from the field in that game. Please continue with your analysis of all his missed shots - it shouldn't take you much longer.

Seriously, I want to know your 5 first team All-Americans. You're sitting there saying Barnes and Sullinger aren't AAs, after reading that I don't think you can come up with an accurate list. Go ahead and try - give us your All-American list.
 

dboy said:
not a bad way out since i have holers dropping the f-bomb on me for simple observations.
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dboy, maybe you can put yourself out of your argumentative pathetic life by choking yourself to death giving yourself a BJ? Thanks.
 

dboy said:
so after all this, we agree: sullinger, being pegged by cbssportsline as one of the top 5 in the nation this year, is overrated at that ranking. :clap:
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Overrated? Here's your problem. You find it easy to rip everyone and hide your bias as analysis. I agree with an earlier poster. Put out 5 players who will make up your top 5.
 

dboy said:
actually, it reminds me of the football board three months ago when some proclaimed Ra'Shede Hageman to be the breakout star this year...

@6'6", 300 lbs and the strongest guy in the weight room... how could he not miss at DE??? with TE skills and a lifetime on the basketball court, he certainly had the feet!..

but some argued that weight room #'s don't translate into D-line strength... leverage, etc also mattered..

they were shouted down as 'idiots'..

in sports, there are a lot more 'misses' than 'hits'.. call me negative, its just the truth.
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Totally agree with you on this. I remember the FB board. I still cant believe that the MN D was so bad with all the great young "talent" Brew had put together.
 

Hahahaha wow. How many people actually have him as preseason first team all-american? You've named one so far. I haven't looked at many preseason lists, but so far you don't exactly have any evidence to support your argument. So since one person has named him preseason 1st team all-american and you don't think he should be, that means he's overrated? So if one person said a player sucked, and you didn't think he actually sucked, would that mean that he's underrated?

dboy said:
since he is preseason first team all-american, the season can only end two ways:
1.) he's first team and he is fairly rated.
2.) he's NOT first team all-am and hence he is over rated.

he, by definition, can not be underrated.

so you feel he will end up first team all-am and not 'overrated'.
we'll see.
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OSUfan said:
Well, it appears that you've accounted for at least half of the shots Sullinger missed. He was 13-17 from the field in that game. Please continue with your analysis of all his missed shots - it shouldn't take you much longer.

Seriously, I want to know your 5 first team All-Americans. You're sitting there saying Barnes and Sullinger aren't AAs, after reading that I don't think you can come up with an accurate list. Go ahead and try - give us your All-American list.
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not sure how i accounted for his misses:

i didn't see sullinger do anything last night but catch and finish bunnies... throw up an ugly left handed jump-hook after being stuffed, and toss in a 10 foot jump hook.

i did see him, in the low block, turn to HIS right and try a little jumper, much like Colton does, to only have it rejected by the D w/o the D even jumping.

i said he 'finished bunnies', threw up an ugly left handed jump hook, and tossed in a 10 footer.

ahem:

the bunnies were 'finished', the 10 footer was tossed 'in', and i made no comment on the outcome of the ugly left handed jump-hook ( it went in ).
 

dboy said:
not sure how i accounted for his misses:

i didn't see sullinger do anything last night but catch and finish bunnies... throw up an ugly left handed jump-hook after being stuffed, and toss in a 10 foot jump hook.

i did see him, in the low block, turn to HIS right and try a little jumper, much like Colton does, to only have it rejected by the D w/o the D even jumping.

i said he 'finished bunnies', threw up an ugly left handed jump hook, and tossed in a 10 footer.

ahem:

the bunnies were 'finished', the 10 footer was tossed 'in', and i made no comment on the outcome of the ugly left handed jump-hook ( it went in ).
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well i guess i did account for one miss: he was stuffed on that 'colton special'. but 1 is not 'half' of 4.
 

Dr.Don said:
dboy, maybe you can put yourself out of your argumentative pathetic life by choking yourself to death giving yourself a BJ? Thanks.
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now this is class.
should i 'STFU' also?

can't believe you guys are going off like this.

i am pulling for Hoff.
i am pulling for sullinger against everyone but us... big10 baby!
and maybe, just maybe... someday i'll classify hoff as an 'excellent' rebounder.
 

He is kind of like a bigger Kevin Love. Never looks athletic, or even in great shape, but is strong as heck, has good hand eye coordination, has good feet, understands positioning, and at the end of the game, you lost.
 

dboy said:
well i guess i did account for one miss: he was stuffed on that 'colton special'. but 1 is not 'half' of 4.
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OK, I guess I was confused because you apparently used two separate paragraphs to criticize the same missed shot - it looked like you were talking about two different possessions, but if you want to harp on one "bad" possession where he ended up scoring a bucket, that's your choice. Nevertheless, who are your five 1st team All-Americans?

You won't hear me making many complaints about a player who averages 22 and 12, shoots 70% from the field as well as the FT line and has an even A/TO ratio. There were some good reasons to criticize his defense yesterday, but his numbers on offense are unreal.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/194/ohio-state-buckeyes
 

corcoran1 said:
He is kind of like a bigger Kevin Love. Never looks athletic, or even in great shape, but is strong as heck, has good hand eye coordination, has good feet, understands positioning, and at the end of the game, you lost.
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i agree.
 

how about if we come back in two months and update this?
 

How about if you come back in two months and let the rest of us keep on talking about it until then (or is it than)?
 


Dr.Don said:
How about if you come back in two months and let the rest of us keep on talking about it until then (or is it than)?
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wow, a post from don that isn't vulgar..
wonder what the other 3289 hold???
 


Sorry to be a little off topic but I feel i need to break this one up...too much bs amongst supposed Gopher fans.

Go Gophers!! Bring on WKU and NC!! Can't wait for the PR tourney-
 

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