Would you take a #6 seed if it were offered right now?

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I still need to see how this team plays under pressure. Their surge at the end of the year came when all the pressure was off. How will they handle expectations this year? Who is our 2nd ball handler after Andre? Is there anyone on the team that can consistently make a 15-20 foot shot whose name isn't Hollins? The answer to those 3 questions will dictate how good we are. If all three are positive, there's no reason we can't finish in the top 3-4 in the B1G. If not, chances are we finish 6-8 in the conference.
 

John Galt said:
I still need to see how this team plays under pressure. Their surge at the end of the year came when all the pressure was off. How will they handle expectations this year? Who is our 2nd ball handler after Andre? Is there anyone on the team that can consistently make a 15-20 foot shot whose name isn't Hollins? The answer to those 3 questions will dictate how good we are. If all three are positive, there's no reason we can't finish in the top 3-4 in the B1G. If not, chances are we finish 6-8 in the conference.
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What a great post. You are 100% correct. The only way to play like they did in NIT is to be relaxed and have fun.

Go Gophers
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Michigan should be very, very good. Definitely won't be a down year for them unless they have injuries or something weird happens. Indiana should be really good too. Gotta keep in mind that teams bring in new players, some of which will be making big impacts from day one.
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I am shocked that nobody even once mentioned the impact that Novak and Douglas had in Michigan teams for the last 4 years. Other than our Gophers, those two were my favorite players in the B1G. Michigan will not be as good as everybody keeps saying. They will be young and very average in defense.

Go Gophers
 

John Galt said:
I still need to see how this team plays under pressure. Their surge at the end of the year came when all the pressure was off. How will they handle expectations this year? Who is our 2nd ball handler after Andre? Is there anyone on the team that can consistently make a 15-20 foot shot whose name isn't Hollins? The answer to those 3 questions will dictate how good we are. If all three are positive, there's no reason we can't finish in the top 3-4 in the B1G. If not, chances are we finish 6-8 in the conference.
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And against teams that were not Big Ten caliber.

Should be a good year. How good? Time will tell.
 

Ceiling of 4th, worst case 9th

Currently have the Gophers pegged for 6th. I think their ceiling is 4th, the worst case scenario is 9th. As of today here's how I'd group the B1G in relation to the Gophers.

Teams the Gophers Definitely Will Finish Behind
1. Indiana (if they play any D whatsoever, should be class of the conference)
2. Michigan State (will miss Green but they're still Sparty, and they still own us)
3. Wisconsin (when's the last time we finished ahead of the Grinch's guys in the standings?)

If Gophers Want a B1G Tournament Bye (top 4), They Need to Finish Ahead of These 2 (it helps that we only play 'em once)
1. Michigan (talented, but style of play makes them vulnerable)
2. Ohio State (am not sold Buckeyes will be elite)

Gophers Are Ahead of Them, But It's No Sure Thing We'll Finish Higher
1. Illinois (suspect they'll be better than most expect)
2. Iowa (will be fun to watch, but will they be able to guard a chair?)
3. Purdue (Painter's teams are like Izzo's, tough, so don't dismiss them)

An Utter Embarrassment If We Finish Behind Any of These
1. Nebraska (a loss to Huskers would be inexcusable)
2. Northwestern (no longer have Shurna but once again will be difficult to play, but come on, it's Northwestern)
3. Penn State (see Nebraska, and even moreso. ... we only play 'em once & it's at home)
 


SelectionSunday said:
Currently have the Gophers pegged for 6th. I think their ceiling is 4th, the worst case scenario is 9th. As of today here's how I'd group the B1G in relation to the Gophers.

Teams the Gophers Definitely Will Finish Behind
1. Indiana (if they play any D whatsoever, should be class of the conference)
2. Michigan State (will miss Green but they're still Sparty, and they still own us)
3. Wisconsin (when's the last time we finished ahead of the Grinch's guys in the standings?)

If Gophers Want a B1G Tournament Bye (top 4), They Need to Finish Ahead of These 2 (it helps that we only play 'em once)
1. Michigan (talented, but style of play makes them vulnerable)
2. Ohio State (I'm not sold Buckeyes will be elite)

Gophers Are Ahead of Them, But It's No Sure Thing We'll Finish Higher
1. Illinois (suspect they'll be better than most expect)
2. Iowa (will be fun to watch, but will they be able to guard a chair?)
3. Purdue (Painter's teams are like Izzo's, tough, so don't dismiss them)

An Utter Embarrassment If We Finish Behind Any of These
1. Nebraska (a loss to Huskers would be inexcusable)
2. Northwestern (no longer have Shurna but once again will be difficult to play, but come on, it's Northwestern)
3. Penn State (see Nebraska, and even moreso. We only play 'em once & it's at home)
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I have to agree with you. However, this seems to me a sad state of affairs. We have a veteran team returning that is pretty loaded in talent. I think we have at least as much talent returning as MSU and more than Wisky, yet it seems we definitely will finish behind them. It's really time for Tubby to exceed expectations big time this year- like he did in year one to a degree. Honestly, if Izzo or Ryan had the team we have coming back, I think most people would be talking of this squad as title contenders.

In answer to the OP- my answer is no. I want better than a 6 seed.
 

I wonder how good Michigan State's outside shooting will be. Draymond Green, Thornton and Woods seemed to be their three best outside shots and they graduated. I'm not sure what prospects they have coming in, but I would suspect that will be a weakness that could be exploited by other teams in the Big 10.
 

John Galt said:
I still need to see how this team plays under pressure. Their surge at the end of the year came when all the pressure was off. How will they handle expectations this year? Who is our 2nd ball handler after Andre? Is there anyone on the team that can consistently make a 15-20 foot shot whose name isn't Hollins? The answer to those 3 questions will dictate how good we are. If all three are positive, there's no reason we can't finish in the top 3-4 in the B1G. If not, chances are we finish 6-8 in the conference.
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1. Who knows, turnovers and poise are the biggest issue with this team. They could give up a lead in a heartbeat when faced with pressure last year.
2. Welch.
3. Welch.

Welch needs to have a big year as the 6th man or the 3rd guard in a small lineup. He is our most consistent shooter and unfortunately our 2nd or 3rd best ball handler.
 

CBBFanatic26 said:
I Agree on Indiana. I should of specified. I think they will be top 2 in the B1G, but I don't think that they should be a pre season #1, like Andy Katz (I believe) had them a month ago.

As for Michigan, they do bring back three key players. Lost a few guys, too though. Personally not a fan of Beilien, which is why I think they will be down from last year, but they should be good still. The talent they do have though is young. Their only seniors are Blake McLimans, Josh Bartelstein, Matt Vogrich andEso Akunne. I don't see anyone who will provide senior leadership, which I think is huge.
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Because Beilein wasn't there last year, and last year's coach was better? Not following your logic here. As far as how good they'll be, time will tell, but Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway Jr, Glenn Robinson III, and Mitch McGary are going to be tough for any team to matchup with.
 



Gold Vision said:
1. Who knows, turnovers and poise are the biggest issue with this team. They could give up a lead in a heartbeat when faced with pressure last year.
2. Welch.
3. Welch.

Welch needs to have a big year as the 6th man or the 3rd guard in a small lineup. He is our most consistent shooter and unfortunately our 2nd or 3rd best ball handler.
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+19

though Drey was a better shooter in the post season.
 

station19 said:
+19

though Drey was a better shooter in the post season.
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If better = more, yes. Welch had a rough 2/11 game vs Stanford, but was taking shots he normally wouldn't attempt when the Gophers were down big. Dre was 1/5 that game.

Over the first four NIT games, Welch actually shot the ball better than Andre Hollins did.

Not to take anything away from Dre, but very few people give Julian his just due for 2011-12.
 

Gold Vision said:
1. Who knows, turnovers and poise are the biggest issue with this team. They could give up a lead in a heartbeat when faced with pressure last year.
2. Welch.
3. Welch.

Welch needs to have a big year as the 6th man or the 3rd guard in a small lineup. He is our most consistent shooter and unfortunately our 2nd or 3rd best ball handler.
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Do you and GW room together?
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
Do you and GW room together?
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You don't come here often do you?

How will they handle expectations this year?
Who is our 2nd ball handler after Andre?
Is there anyone on the team that can consistently make a 15-20 foot shot whose name isn't Hollins?
 



Why do the same people feel compelled to post their same opinions over and over. We know your stance, now shut up.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Because Beilein wasn't there last year, and last year's coach was better? Not following your logic here. As far as how good they'll be, time will tell, but Trey Burke, Tim Hardaway Jr, Glenn Robinson III, and Mitch McGary are going to be tough for any team to matchup with.
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Oh really? I beg to differ. He's been there since 07. Why would they fire their coach after an NCAA tourney appearance? Even if they did choke in the 2nd RD.

Source: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/beilein_john00.html
 

CBBFanatic26 said:
Oh really? I beg to differ. He's been there since 07. Why would they fire their coach after an NCAA tourney appearance? Even if they did choke in the 2nd RD.

Source: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/beilein_john00.html
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What? I didn't say he wasn't there last season. I was asking if that's what you thought. You said that the reason you think they'll have a down season next year is because of Beilein. That sounds like something a person would say about a coach who just got hired and you don't expect them to perform as well as the previous coach. I'm not following your logic of Michigan being worse off next year because of their coach when he's the same coach that was there last year and their talent will only be better. Why again will they have a down year?
 

ohio st

Ohio st will have:
all american canidate in jr craft at pg
mcdonald's all am. scott at the 2
Lenzelle Smith at the 3. He had 2 huge games in the ncaa
all amer. thomas at the stretch 4
mcdonalds all am. amir willimas in the middle.

off the bench: ross, thompson, Sibert. While not as talented as some years its not like the cupboard is bare.

I agree with our talent: izzo, the grinch, and even Painter, this team would be considered for the top 3. Hopefully this year will be like year 1 under tubby.

The NIT run, was against teams that run, except Stanford, they played defense. We played great but we were allowed to run. Can this team perform in the halfcourt? I also agree Welch sill be an important spot player 3rd guard. He is a very good shooter when he plays within himself. He will have to guard the opponents slowest perimeter player.
 



HOOP DREAMS said:
All the time actually. Less now that GW thinks he runs the site.
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If you read the discussions on this board all the time, you'd understand. I rarely agree with GW on anything.

What do you disagree with about my answers to John Galt's questions? Or are you just here to argue with GW or anyone that may side with him?
 

Gold Vision said:
Or are you just here to argue with GW or anyone that may side with him?
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Like most, I'm here to read about and discuss thoughts on the team from Gopher fans, he is clearly not a fan of the team.

I have no intrest in winning or getting into arguments. But thanks for asking.
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
Do you and GW room together?
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HOOP DREAMS said:
Like most, I'm here to read about and discuss thoughts on the team from Gopher fans, he is clearly not a fan of the team.

I have no intrest in winning or getting into arguments. But thanks for asking.
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Right...

Anyways, you still haven't answered what you disagree with, you've just started a pissing match.

How will they handle expectations this year?
Who is our 2nd ball handler after Andre?
Is there anyone on the team that can consistently make a 15-20 foot shot whose name isn't Hollins?
 

Gold Vision said:
Anyways, you still haven't answered what you disagree with, you've just started a pissing match.
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There is no pissing match, we aren't even arguing, are we?

Why demand I answer your question when I never said I disagreed with you (even if I do)?

General rule I go by is when people are demanding responses they are probably looking for a pissing match.
 

HOOP DREAMS said:
There is no pissing match, we aren't even arguing, are we?

Why demand I answer your question when I never said I disagreed with you (even if I do)?

General rule I go by is when people are demanding responses they are probably looking for a pissing match.
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I'm not demanding answers, and I'm not arguing, I'm trying to figure out what the hell the point of your question was. According to you, it was not to pick a fight (because you don't do that), nor was it to comment on my answers to John Galt's original questions (because you have no interest in discussing that). So I got it, you were legitimately asking if Gopher Warrior and I are roommates.

Nope, we are not, I live with my wife and kid, pretty standard stuff. I'm not sure what that has to do with Welch being a good outside shooter and our second best option handling the ball at the PG position, but I'll answer anyways because I prefer not to talk in circles like you seem to be doing.
 


HOOP DREAMS said:
In the manner you have conducted yourself, I have no interested in discussing anything further with you.

Good Day Sir!
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Thanks for taking the high road Sir. In the future I'll be sure to reply to your obscure attempts at insult/humor directed at me with more class.
 

station19 said:
+19

though Drey was a better shooter in the post season.
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for teams that aren't top 5 teams in the NCAA, a 6 seed is a great place to be sitting. I mean you could get to the final before playing a 1 seed. You have to beat possibly a 2 or 3 seed. Knowing the committe, UK ends up as 3 seed in Minnesota's bracket setting up a really interesting 2nd round match up. Gophers have a couple of Wild Cards. Turn overs, Big Mo's contribution/health
 


I'm not really sure how a fan of a team that hasn't won an NCAA game in 15 years could possibly say no to this question.
 

howeda7 said:
I'm not really sure how a fan of a team that hasn't won an NCAA game in 15 years could possibly say no to this question.
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Because unless you're seeded #1 you aren't "guaranteed" a win in the tourney. And frankly this team should be capable of higher than a #6 seed.
 

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