Wisconsin Badgers are idiots

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MGGopher said:
Not that it matters much because I’ll revel in Wisconsin’s misery regardless of circumstance, the buzz I’ve seen on Reddit is that this kid signed an NIL deal with Wisconsin in early-Dec but then got contacted by Miami and asked to enter the portal. Collective and staff were blindsided and trying to triage both the tampering and the kid reneging on his commitment, thus the delay in entering him.

It really is a new world out there.
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jovs said:
Sounds like they are going to push the contract side of things. If Wisconsin try's to enforce that type of thing they are going to scare lots of recruits away. I had an agreement with my first corporate job based on training, wanted out as soon as the contract was up
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gopherbadgerman said:
And got a pile of money up front is the rumor...
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To add a bit to the above, it seems that Lucas agreed to some type of an NIL deal in Madison and got some money up front. He went home for break (cuz no bowl practices at wisconsin :)) and his Mom, who never wanted him to leave Florida in the first place, got in his ear about other opportunities. I haven't seen any actual reporting that Miami contacted him or that their NIL group made an offer, but that seems to be universally accepted as true. He then asked to enter the portal and wisconsin is dragging its feet because they want the up front money paid back to the NIL collective. Once they enter him in the portal, they lose some leverage they have to get that.

There is no thought that they can make him stay at wisconsin or that he's going to have a change of heart and want to stay, only a dispute over what, if anything, can be done to recoup the NIL money. I have seen no reporting on what the NIL agreement actually says. Right now, it appears that each side is using what they have to their advantage in hopes of pressuring the other side to acquiesce. For Lucas, that's generating bad publicity for the badgers in hopes that they will cave and enter him into the portal. For wisconsin, that's letting time pass without entering him into the portal in hopes that Lucas sees rosters filling and classes starting at other schools and gives back the money.

It should be fun to see how it plays out.
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
To add a bit to the above, it seems that Lucas agreed to some type of an NIL deal in Madison and got some money up front. He went home for break (cuz no bowl practices at wisconsin :)) and his Mom, who never wanted him to leave Florida in the first place, got in his ear about other opportunities. I haven't seen any actual reporting that Miami contacted him or that their NIL group made an offer, but that seems to be universally accepted as true. He then asked to enter the portal and wisconsin is dragging its feet because they want the up front money paid back to the NIL collective. Once they enter him in the portal, they lose some leverage they have to get that.

There is no thought that they can make him stay at wisconsin or that he's going to have a change of heart and want to stay, only a dispute over what, if anything, can be done to recoup the NIL money. I have seen no reporting on what the NIL agreement actually says. Right now, it appears that each side is using what they have to their advantage in hopes of pressuring the other side to acquiesce. For Lucas, that's generating bad publicity for the badgers in hopes that they will cave and enter him into the portal. For wisconsin, that's letting time pass without entering him into the portal in hopes that Lucas sees rosters filling and classes starting at other schools and gives back the money.

It should be fun to see how it plays out.
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Lucas should just say he's committed to Miami. That would turn up the heat on the badgers. It's not his fault they gave him money up front and there not as smart about payouts like DTA is. Ultimately there's nothing Wisconsin can do about it.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
Lucas should just say he's committed to Miami. That would turn up the heat on the badgers. It's not his fault they gave him money up front and there not as smart about payouts like DTA is. Ultimately there's nothing Wisconsin can do about it.
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Wisconsin should just say he's committed to Wisconsin and not enter him into the portal.

Its not his fault? TF is wrong with you?

It's entirely on him to live up to the deal he agreed to and took money from.
 


I wonder if the NIL contract has so sort of language about paying back the up front $$?
 



USAF said:
Wisconsin should just say he's committed to Wisconsin and not enter him into the portal.

Its not his fault? TF is wrong with you?

It's entirely on him to live up to the deal he agreed to and took money from.
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It's business, people change jobs all the time after getting a raise or a promotion etc. There was upfront money in his deal and then he received a financially better opportunity. At this point Wisconsin would be smart to let this kid go. No court system or arbitrator will side with them and they are opening themselves up to an additional civil suit. Whatever dollar amount the collective gave him will be significantly less than what they will end up paying.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
It's business, people change jobs all the time after getting a raise or a promotion etc. There was upfront money in his deal and then he received a financially better opportunity. At this point Wisconsin would be smart to let this kid go. No court system or arbitrator will side with them and they are opening themselves up to an additional civil suit. Whatever dollar amount the collective gave him will be significantly less than what they will end up paying.
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LOL.

Just pull **** out of your ***.
 




USAF said:
LOL.

Just pull **** out of your ***.
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Yeah this would entirely depend on the contract language, but do they want to take that to court and the risk of civil litigation for not releasing him from the school will get really hairy in todays age
 

USAF said:
LOL.

Just pull **** out of your ***.
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Labor law 101. Also if money was taken, it wasn't taken from the university it would have been taken from a collective that's technically not associated with the university, which also doesn't give them the right to do this.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
Lucas should just say he's committed to Miami. That would turn up the heat on the badgers. It's not his fault they gave him money up front and there not as smart about payouts like DTA is. Ultimately there's nothing Wisconsin can do about it.
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He can't commit to any school, because he's no in the portal.
 









Even if WI thinks they’re on the right side of this it seems like they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face. He doesn’t want to be there and it’s a terrible look for potential players. Seems like it would be a better deal to tell him to not let the door hit his ass on the way out.
 

From what I've read WI seems to be in the right on this one, and now they are holding a public execution as a warning to other signees in their NIL.
 

It is hard for me to believe that in the NIL space that teams do not have language that makes sure they are protected if a player decides to leave. There have been to many kids who have come and gone. I get WI being bitter because they gave the kid money and he then wanted to leave 2 weeks later (probably for more money). Still if they gave the kid money and didn't protect themselves that is on them. I would hope that if you are paying a kid for NIL and the NIL is tied to him playing for your team you have a contractual recourse of getting refunded.

I get WI being mad at the tampering and betrayal, but in the end how many coaches tell the world they are here to stay and 2 weeks later are gone?
 


Whytetale said:
From what I've read WI seems to be in the right on this one, and now they are holding a public execution as a warning to other signees in their NIL.
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Better them than us. At some point teams/coaches have to fight back against the tampering and all that in order for any meaningful change to actually happen in this current mess.

But with the way the current climate is, it will almost certainly go poorly for the team/coaches that do because of the way everything right now is geared towards the players favor and not the schools.
 

gophernut1 said:
It is hard for me to believe that in the NIL space that teams do not have language that makes sure they are protected if a player decides to leave. There have been to many kids who have come and gone. I get WI being bitter because they gave the kid money and he then wanted to leave 2 weeks later (probably for more money). Still if they gave the kid money and didn't protect themselves that is on them. I would hope that if you are paying a kid for NIL and the NIL is tied to him playing for your team you have a contractual recourse of getting refunded.

I get WI being mad at the tampering and betrayal, but in the end how many coaches tell the world they are here to stay and 2 weeks later are gone?
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Who is in the right here?

Wisconsin doesn't have the NIL agreement with the player, so even if there is language in the NIL agreement between the player and someone else, I don't see WI being able to make the rules up as they go along and enforce that agreement ...
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Who is in the right here?

Wisconsin doesn't have the NIL agreement with the player, so even if there is language in the NIL agreement between the player and someone else, I don't see WI being able to make the rules up as they go along and enforce that agreement ...
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This is precisely my question. Morality/ethics aside, the player has a contract with the collective and a scholarship from the university. The latter is governed by the NCAA and the rules around player mobility have seemed pretty clear. Whatever agreement the player has with the collective should not have any connection with his desire to change schools. Either we're missing some information or have been completely wrong about how this works.
 

Scottsdale Gopher said:
This is precisely my question. Morality/ethics aside, the player has a contract with the collective and a scholarship from the university. The latter is governed by the NCAA and the rules around player mobility have seemed pretty clear. Whatever agreement the player has with the collective should not have any connection with his desire to change schools. Either we're missing some information or have been completely wrong about how this works.
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Yeah there's nothing about "can prevent player from transferring IF" rules that I've ever heard / seen enforced. NCAA has largely bowed out of that fight (outside a couple of very specific eligibility type questions) and this is the first time I've seen a school try to enforce it in the context of the new dynamics we're looking at...
 

gophernut1 said:
It is hard for me to believe that in the NIL space that teams do not have language that makes sure they are protected if a player decides to leave. There have been to many kids who have come and gone. I get WI being bitter because they gave the kid money and he then wanted to leave 2 weeks later (probably for more money). Still if they gave the kid money and didn't protect themselves that is on them. I would hope that if you are paying a kid for NIL and the NIL is tied to him playing for your team you have a contractual recourse of getting refunded.

I get WI being mad at the tampering and betrayal, but in the end how many coaches tell the world they are here to stay and 2 weeks later are gone?
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Exactly it's business and people change jobs all the time in the real world. Plenty of people stay at companies and put in their notice the week after bonuses get paid out, this isn't anything different.
 

gophernut1 said:
It is hard for me to believe that in the NIL space that teams do not have language that makes sure they are protected if a player decides to leave. There have been to many kids who have come and gone. I get WI being bitter because they gave the kid money and he then wanted to leave 2 weeks later (probably for more money). Still if they gave the kid money and didn't protect themselves that is on them. I would hope that if you are paying a kid for NIL and the NIL is tied to him playing for your team you have a contractual recourse of getting refunded.
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Cannot comment on this particular agreement because I haven't seen it, but even if the collective has some type of contractual recovery right, how do they enforce it? There could be some type of dispute resolution provision, but I haven't seen any reference to that here. They could ask for the money back, but I assume that they have already tried that and been rebuffed. Another option is to sue him for the money, hope to win and then be able to collect on a judgment. They may or may not have a strong case for that depending on the facts, but if you think that they are getting bad publicity and being subject to negative recruiting now, wait until there is 18 months of litigation, which will largely be public, in the case of "Badger Collective vs. former player who tried to transfer out."

The other option, which appears to be the one they are pursuing, is to say and do nothing publicly and try to pressure him into returning the money by waiting him out. None of it is a good look, but any path they take is fraught with peril.
 

Strongazzoffer said:
Exactly it's business and people change jobs all the time in the real world. Plenty of people stay at companies and put in their notice the week after bonuses get paid out, this isn't anything different.
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Setting aside the fact that an NIL collective payment isn't supposed to be a bonus in any sense of that word, bonuses "in the real world" are typically a reward for completed work and have already been earned when paid out. There are also "signing bonuses" which are an inducement for future performance. Those signing bonuses are often recoverable when there is a breach of the agreement to perform going forward. Hard to categorize any payment here without seeing the agreement, but it seems that part of doing business in today's NIL world is to get the money upfront for the coming year, so I'd guess that most of these payments are more akin to "signing bonuses" than they are to "reward bonuses."
 


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