Will Fleck learn from watching Cignetti's aggressive play calls and creativity?

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Gopherchase said:
I needed a good laugh today. Those two are polar opposites personality and program wise and all these posts pretending otherwise are hilarious.
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They're absolutely not. You just take a shot at PJ whenever you can.

When you read about how Cignetti runs his culture, attention to detail, his recruiting, etc it's all very similar to what people say about how PJ runs his program.
 

MNVCGUY said:
The QB draw was a gutsy play call, and if Miami doesn't miss multiple tackles there may be a very different take on that decision today.
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There was only one guy who had a shot at him before the first down marker and he didn’t really miss a tackle, he was coming from too far, and even diving could only his get his hands out to him so I wouldn’t say that’s a missed tackle. (I’m not including the guy who was fully engaged by a blocker so he didn’t have much of a chance either). He got the first down before he got to those other guys he bounced and spun out of.
 


Darrell Royal when asked about tips on running the wishbone replied "You don't want my offense, you want my fullback."

Cignetti did a good job of getting the most out of the players he was able to get. Fleck might be doing the same.
 


FanSinceTheFifties said:
Darrell Royal when asked about tips on running the wishbone replied "You don't want my offense, you want my fullback."

Cignetti did a good job of getting the most out of the players he was able to get. Fleck might be doing the same.
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Saw a stat that their last fumble lost was in week 1. So they went 15 straight without one. He gets the most out of his players and they don't make a lot of mistakes. Very sound.
 

Catechol said:
There was only one guy who had a shot at him before the first down marker and he didn’t really miss a tackle, he was coming from too far, and even diving could only his get his hands out to him so I wouldn’t say that’s a missed tackle. (I’m not including the guy who was fully engaged by a blocker so he didn’t have much of a chance either). He got the first down before he got to those other guys he bounced and spun out of.
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Indiana got the look they wanted and the play worked, my point was simply that had a Miami player made the stop the opinion of that play call would have changed drastically.
 

50PoundHead said:
They may not be NFL talent when all is said and done, but there is something to be said for having a ton of 4th and 5th year seniors who all know their roles and play within those roles.
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I think that’s the true thing that Cignetti is great at, or at least did a great job at the last two years. He did a masterful job of finding players he could implement within his system.

I watched Miracle again a few nights ago and couldn’t help draw comparisons between Indiana and Herbie taking the players that would make his system go rather than just grabbing the most talented players.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
They're absolutely not. You just take a shot at PJ whenever you can.

When you read about how Cignetti runs his culture, attention to detail, his recruiting, etc it's all very similar to what people say about how PJ runs his program.
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The next time we play Indiana, PJ will RTB all week or whatever he does to come up with these genius game plans we see 75% of the time to run clock and squeak out a win while Cignetti is doing everything possible all week to enable him to put his boot on PJ’s throat and beat him by 60. Complete opposites.
 



GophersInIowa said:
This. It was very Fleck-like where it was conservative except for one or two calls. Very reminiscent of when Fleck went for it on 4th down deep in our own territory against Ohio St a few years back. Mo ended up breaking off a big one and people celebrated the call but would have been a different story if they didn't convert.
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People won’t really like to hear it but this Indiana team plays really similar to the Morgan era Minnesota teams


Imagine Morgan with mobility.
I also think the IU defense is a little deeper than Mn 2019
 

Gopherchase said:
The next time we play Indiana, PJ will RTB all week or whatever he does to come up with these genius game plans we see 75% of the time to run clock and squeak out a win while Cignetti is doing everything possible all week to enable him to put his boot on PJ’s throat and beat him by 60. Complete opposites.
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What does this even mean? You have zero idea what either coach does all week.
 

Some guy said:
People won’t really like to hear it but this Indiana team plays really similar to the Morgan era Minnesota teams


Imagine Morgan with mobility.
I also think the IU defense is a little deeper than Mn 2019
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Good comparison
 






Panthadad2 said:
Indiana also ran the ball on 3rd and long at least three times and 4th and long at least once (Mendoza's TD). Fans on Gopherhole would be apoplectic.
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I think it depends a little on what your team is capable of. When the Gophers had Mo they would sporadically run on 3 and 10 plus and on multiple occasions Mo got the 1st. While most wouldn't normally run on 3rd and long, if you are a good running team it might be closer to a coin flip that you can get a 1st. If you are a bad running team it is basically giving up because you have maybe a 10% chance.
 




Stan said:
This isn't another "we need a Mark Cuban" thread, I'm genuinely curious if a coach like Fleck (or any other similar that's hit a ceiling) will study Cignetti's style, aggressive play calling, foot on the gas at all times, and creative approach? Or are they so cemented in their style of coaching that they can't evolve? I thought Cignetti's post game interview on the field was so incredibly insightful when he described exactly why they ran the QB draw on 4th and 5 and how they put that package in leading into the game and they saw the coverage they wanted the play before.

Anyway, if Cignetti doesn't go for a few 4th downs last night, they may not be Natty. Meanwhile Fleck doesn't have the same creativity or aggressive approach.

(This is not a Fleck rip post, I am truly curious if he or others will learn from the aggressive and creative approach Cignetti has, and not just settle for FGs and field position).
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No need to be curious....the answer is no.
 

btowngopher said:
What does this even mean? You have zero idea what either coach does all week.
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No point wasting time trying to figure it out. Gopherchase can't stand Fleck and will find any flimsy reason he possibly can to take a shot at him.
 

Some guy said:
Are you saying 3rd and 5 in the redzone where a first down ends the game you want to run inside zone for one then kick a field goal to go up 6 and give them one final possession?

Because that’s what they did in crunch time last night
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They run RPO on nearly every play and run more than most think. He went conservative late and it almost cost them the game. They likely lose without the blocked punt. They are fundamentally sound all over the field.
 

MNVCGUY said:
No point wasting time trying to figure it out. Gopherchase can't stand Fleck and will find any flimsy reason he possibly can to take a shot at him.
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That’s not true. I think he sucks as a game plan and in game coach. The rest is fine.
 

GopherGuy82 said:
He might be really good but he wouldn't even know what day the Heisman trophy presentation was if he stayed at Cal. Indiana and Mendoza needed each other.
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Maybe no heisman, but he’d be a top draft pick still, and I don’t think Indiana was the only school he could’ve won the heisman at.
 

Coaching/Going For It.... Good if it works, bad if it doesn't.
It's why they get the big bucks and sit in the big chair.
The difference is Cignetti prepares with with a common sense plan.
PJ puts a tight end under center or hikes it through a player's legs to somebody else...hmmm why didn't it work?
Cignetti's logic and common sense are a bit better. He knows what the defense is going to do ahead of time and he knows he can trust his players to execute....he puts the right people in the right places.
 
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