Why not us .... wheres our curt cignetti

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Catechol said:
Are you saying he couldn’t replicate success here with the same resources Fleck has? Maybe not 16-0, Heisman, NC. But probably better. And if Fleck simply had an extra $15 mil would he have gone 16-0?
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Cignetti with the financial resources here is 11 wins ceiling. With an extra $15m and 3 creampuff noncon games, Fleck gives the team a chance to win the Natty though he might have a loss or two. Cignetti gives the team an extra win or two.

One thing I think should be considered is who besides Purdue, which hasn't been competitive recently, is a football rival for Indiana? Maybe OSU and/or MI develops into a rivalry. Is it easier to win when almost nobody considers you a rival?
 


disco said:
I think the big thing is they ponied up to get Mendoza. I know Cuban has said he wrote a very big check for next year, but I don't know that they had a massive payroll for this season.

And one of the biggest things about this team. They literally make almost zero mistakes. I don't know if I've ever seen a team that's as fundamentally sound as this one was.
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The big thing is Cignetti. Without him Indiana does not go 8-1 in conference or make the CFP last year.
 

GophEnEspaña said:
Where's our billionaire donors who will recklessly throw cash at our football program?
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Is a degree from MN worth nothing? MN has a huge enrollment. There are hundreds of thousands of MN graduates out in the world and none of them make any $? Maybe we don’t have a Mark Cuban but there are plenty of high earners among the alumni. I made decent $ in my career but personally only buy game tickets and merchandise because MN sports have shown me squat. Hired effing Ben Johnson to show my exactly how unserious you are. Betting Mark Cuban gives zero to Indiana basketball if they hire Ben Johnson. Cart!, Horse? IDK. I’ll open the wallet when MN gets serious about competing.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
Is it easier to win when almost nobody considers you a rival?
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No? It’s not as if their rivalry game is an OOC opponent that adds to the conference gauntlet. Up until a couple years ago the East kept them in an impossible “protected rivalry” because they had to play ALL of OSU, PSU and Mich every year so that was a favorable change for Cignetti. But he still beat Mich in his first year and this year beat OSU PSU and Oregon twice.
 


Some guy said:
They’re really good

Honestly other than QB they may have been just as good or better last year but their QB played on a torn knee.


Cignetti is better at scouting college rosters than anyone else and it isn’t close. They’re pulling all Americans off of Maryland

He identities guys who can do what he wants then coaches them to do it. Super impressive. Best coach in college football.
#1 in scouting
Top 15 in everything else
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It seems Cignetti channels Herb Brooks in building a roster...

"I don't want the best kids... I want the right kids..."
 

disco said:
I think the big thing is they ponied up to get Mendoza. I know Cuban has said he wrote a very big check for next year, but I don't know that they had a massive payroll for this season.

And one of the biggest things about this team. They literally make almost zero mistakes. I don't know if I've ever seen a team that's as fundamentally sound as this one was.
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I think Mendoza was the icing on the cake but they would have been a very good team with just another decent QB. They were great last year with O'Rourke and they had better supporting pieces this year. As a MN fan, I wish it were as easy as just hitting the QB position, but they hit throughout the portal the last two years.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
Cignetti with the financial resources here is 11 wins ceiling. With an extra $15m and 3 creampuff noncon games, Fleck gives the team a chance to win the Natty though he might have a loss or two. Cignetti gives the team an extra win or two.

One thing I think should be considered is who besides Purdue, which hasn't been competitive recently, is a football rival for Indiana? Maybe OSU and/or MI develops into a rivalry. Is it easier to win when almost nobody considers you a rival?
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I'm curious how the extra $15 million, other than the upgrade in talent, makes PJ a national championship contender?
 
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Cignetti is the anti-PJ. He cuts out all of the bullshit and just focuses on playing football and winning games by a lot of points. If PJ spent less time RTB he could maybe come up with a cogent game plan more than once or twice a year.
 



bonin21 said:
No money
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I'd say the probability of a donor like Mark Cuban emerging is low but not impossible. Skeptical donors may have previously believed their efforts would be in vain. I think Indiana showing it can be done at a place like Indiana makes it more probable.
 

swede2 said:
I'd say the probability of a donor like Mark Cuban emerging is low but not impossible. Skeptical donors may have previously believed their efforts would be in vain. I think Indiana showing it can be done at a place like Indiana makes it more probable.
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Maybe some rich guy with Minnesota ties saw Cuban being interviewed on the field post game and it will motivate him to try and do that here :)
 


Arminius said:
It seems Cignetti channels Herb Brooks in building a roster...

"I don't want the best kids... I want the right kids..."
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Agree

I still don’t like his general commentary. Prefer someone more humble. I see why he rubs some the wrong way.

But much like flecks persona, even if it isn’t my favorite it doesn’t really bother me that much.
 





bonin21 said:
And 99.9% of them can keep dreaming
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Been following college football for nearly 60 years - everyone is always looking for a "Cignetti." Doesn't matter if it is a helmet school or not. And yes, money is a factor - but we are talking thousands of times that teams were hiring a new coach hoping to find a "Cignetti." Call it luck, call it a "needle in a haystack," call it whatever - but I doubt this type of turnaround will be seen again in my lifetime, it's just too rare of an occurrence.
 


Jack jones said:
He was here. Maturi pushed him aside.
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I don't know if Sanford would have been paying for NIL. Much like the Ryan family with Northwestern and I think the Andersons with St. Thomas, he's more of the type to donate facilities and put his name on them. It could be a certain mindset about not paying players directly, it could be a legacy thing, and it could be for tax reasons as well.
 

This was a perfect situations where you had a great coach that was able to bring a lot of good talent from a lower program while boosters really stepped up.

But the field has been leveled. If you have a good coach that can develop while the NIL money comes flowing in, anything is possible.
 

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