Why not...Fred Hoiberg?

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FarmerClone said:
Jarred Berggren, Mike Breuswitz, Sam Dower, Trent Lockett, Jordan Taylor
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Trent Lockett wasn't the top player in 2009...I believe the rankings would say berggren was the only "top player" in the state that u listed
 

Berggren and Taylor committed to Wisconsin while Monson was the coach at Minnesota. Brueswitz, Dower, and Lockett were in the same class as Royce White and Rodney Williams.
 

FarmerClone said:
Jarred Berggren, Mike Breuswitz, Sam Dower, Trent Lockett, Jordan Taylor
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Jarred Berggren was the only one of those guys that had a MN offer. It was also given by Jim Molinari during a lame duck season.
 


EG#9 said:
I would LOVE Hoiberg, but it's not happening for the reasons outlined by herkyhawkeye. I could see Fred leaving ISU, but only for the NBA (not any other college job) and only for a contract that provides immense security (he's not going to Charlotte or Phoenix on a 3 year deal for example).

However, the people saying Iowa State is a better job, or even a similar job to Minnesota are flat out wrong.

1. Iowa State never, and I mean NEVER gets the best players from within Iowa- If a player in Iowa is worthy of playing high major ball, he usually goes out of state (Collison, Hinrich, more recently Paige and Barnes) and if he does stay home he attends Iowa (Dean Oliver, Greg Brunner, Adam Woodbury). I am sure I am missing a player or two, but the last in state star to choose the Cyclones over national programs was Fred Hoiberg himself.
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You could say that is an argument for Iowa St. They have had just as much success (if not more) as the Gophers lately yet aren't getting a lot of the top in state talent. Imagine if a coach is able to land a few of these guys.

2. The local talent base is better in Minnesota- Even if ISU could change the trend of where kids from Iowa play their college ball, the state still doesn't produce the type of talent Minnesota does.
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I don't think the two states are as far apart as you think.
 


EG#9 said:
I would LOVE Hoiberg, but it's not happening for the reasons outlined by herkyhawkeye. I could see Fred leaving ISU, but only for the NBA (not any other college job) and only for a contract that provides immense security (he's not going to Charlotte or Phoenix on a 3 year deal for example).

However, the people saying Iowa State is a better job, or even a similar job to Minnesota are flat out wrong.

1. Iowa State never, and I mean NEVER gets the best players from within Iowa- If a player in Iowa is worthy of playing high major ball, he usually goes out of state (Collison, Hinrich, more recently Paige and Barnes) and if he does stay home he attends Iowa (Dean Oliver, Greg Brunner, Adam Woodbury). I am sure I am missing a player or two, but the last in state star to choose the Cyclones over national programs was Fred Hoiberg himself.

2. The local talent base is better in Minnesota- Even if ISU could change the trend of where kids from Iowa play their college ball, the state still doesn't produce the type of talent Minnesota does.

3. Exposure- If you have DirecTv in Iowa, you don't even see the Cyclones play unless they have a game on ESPN 1/2/U

4. Compensation- ISU has never demonstrated the ability to pay a coach what Minnesota has been able to pay

Iowa State has had some success, but also a lot of lean years (from '02-'11 they finished over .500 in league play once and 6 games (or worse) below .500 6 times). That's in the Big 12, not the Big Ten. When ISU has success, it's usually due to JUCO's and transfers which is exactly what Fred Hoiberg has done since taking over the program. You could certainly look at it as an advantage that you are allowed to do this at ISU, but you could also look at that as a disadvantage. Greg McDermott left ISU for Creighton, Dan Monson stayed at Minnesota when offered the Washington job.

The facilities at ISU are better and it's easier to win at a certain level in the Big 12 (especially with Missouri gone), but all the factors are clearly in Minnesota's favor.
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1. What about Hoiberg? Who cares about the top kids in the Iowa when you can bring in the top kids from other states, Hoiberg has Thomas coming out of Wisconsin and Michigans Mr. Basketball for next season. I highly doubt ISU cares too much about the top player in the state going elsewhere when they don't even offer him. Barnes was rough, but that was on the previous coach being garbage.

2. Once again, thinking you need local talent in MBB is a little off base. You could make an argument for football, but basketball not so much.

3. I have DirecTV in Iowa, I saw every ISU game with complete ease. The games are on Fox Sports, a few channels above and below the Big Ten Network.

4. According to Forbes, the B12 paid out to member institutions more than any other conference and that doesn't include their tier 3 monies. Top that with the fact that MBB at ISU averages over 13k attendance and they can legitimately pay him a higher salary than what Minnesota could even offer if it were to come to that.

None of this really matters though, the reality is that Hoiberg has been a part of the program since he was a water boy, if he hasn't bailed by now I doubt he's going to.
 

Captain Puerto Rico said:
1. What about Hoiberg? Who cares about the top kids in the Iowa when you can bring in the top kids from other states, Hoiberg has Thomas coming out of Wisconsin and Michigans Mr. Basketball for next season. I highly doubt ISU cares too much about the top player in the state going elsewhere when they don't even offer him. Barnes was rough, but that was on the previous coach being garbage.

2. Once again, thinking you need local talent in MBB is a little off base. You could make an argument for football, but basketball not so much.

3. I have DirecTV in Iowa, I saw every ISU game with complete ease. The games are on Fox Sports, a few channels above and below the Big Ten Network.

4. According to Forbes, the B12 paid out to member institutions more than any other conference and that doesn't include their tier 3 monies. Top that with the fact that MBB at ISU averages over 13k attendance and they can legitimately pay him a higher salary than what Minnesota could even offer if it were to come to that.

None of this really matters though, the reality is that Hoiberg has been a part of the program since he was a water boy, if he hasn't bailed by now I doubt he's going to.
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But other than that, i think we have a shot.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I understand your point but that is not even close to the same situation.
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Well if you understand my point, then I made it. Of course these two examples are not apples to apples. I am simply trying to say that crazy sh1t happens. We were flabbergasted when Tubby was hired. Hoping for some more flabber.
 

Gold Vision said:
Jarred Berggren was the only one of those guys that had a MN offer. It was also given by Jim Molinari during a lame duck season.
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While that may be true, I believe every one of them has won more NCAA games than any of Tubby's recruits at Minnesota. Tubby not recruiting them was probably a good part of his problem.

And I just looked back, it appears Tubby signed three whole instate kids while he was there. If part of the selling point of coaching at Minnesota is the talent the state produces, Tubby sure did an excellent job of ignoring that talent like the above list of players that have all contributed as part of top 25 teams.
 



I won't argue the level of the programs relative to each other - I think there is enough "information" already posted.

A big differentiater, IMO, that would make Hoiberg not want to go to Minnesota is the fact that Iowa State already has a new practice facility and Hoiberg has mentioned many times how beneficial it has been in recruiting.

Unless Minnesota has something official in the works (not just AD promises), I would guess there may be several coaches who would be uneasy about the job without the guarantee of a practice facility. I think it makes that big of a difference in today's D1 MBB environment.
 

FarmerClone said:
While that may be true, I believe every one of them has won more NCAA games than any of Tubby's recruits at Minnesota. Tubby not recruiting them was probably a good part of his problem.

And I just looked back, it appears Tubby signed three whole instate kids while he was there. If part of the selling point of coaching at Minnesota is the talent the state produces, Tubby sure did an excellent job of ignoring that talent like the above list of players that have all contributed as part of top 25 teams.
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That's a totally different issue. You made the point that the top kids in MN are not CHOOSING the Gophers. None of them except Berggeren had a Gopher offer. None of them.

Was Tubby wrong in not recruiting them? It's looking like yes. Most of them were in the Royce White/Rodney Williams class and nobody in the country would have picked them over Royce and Rodney. But that's a totally different discussion.

Your initial point, that we miss on the best players in MN, was wrong. None of them haven't been choosing to go elsewhere, unless of course you think I'm choosing to not have lunch with Natalie Portman.
 

FarmerClone said:
While that may be true, I believe every one of them has won more NCAA games than any of Tubby's recruits at Minnesota. Tubby not recruiting them was probably a good part of his problem.

And I just looked back, it appears Tubby signed three whole instate kids while he was there. If part of the selling point of coaching at Minnesota is the talent the state produces, Tubby sure did an excellent job of ignoring that talent like the above list of players that have all contributed as part of top 25 teams.
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This is nitpicky, but it was 4 in-state kids if you count Mbakwe. The problem is almost everyone you listed was 2008 (committed before Tubby came in Taylor / Berggren's case) or 2009 (in a class where Tubby already got Trevor, Rodney, Royce). Since then there hasn't been a ton of "top-end" talent coming out of MN - Joe Coleman was solid, and we got him
 

WhoFellDownTheGopherHole? said:
If he was recruiting kids to MN rather than Iowa St., do you think he would still have as great a need to gain an advantage in recruiting using those same methods you're referring to?
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That's a good question and I don't know. But it raises a red flag. His success has been due to that style of recruiting and he hasn't proven he can build a team any other way. So hoping Fred can recruit highschool kids and make a program that way, is sort of blind hope. He hasn't done it yet.

I am not excited about the idea of hiring a coach and then hoping that they'll be successful here by changing their style of coaching.
 



fryguy22 said:
This is nitpicky, but it was 4 in-state kids if you count Mbakwe. The problem is almost everyone you listed was 2008 (committed before Tubby came in Taylor / Berggren's case) or 2009 (in a class where Tubby already got Trevor, Rodney, Royce). Since then there hasn't been a ton of "top-end" talent coming out of MN - Joe Coleman was solid, and we got him
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It's also not the point that he was trying to make. He switched gears after being called out.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
That's a totally different issue. You made the point that the top kids in MN are not CHOOSING the Gophers. None of them except Berggeren had a Gopher offer. None of them.

Was Tubby wrong in not recruiting them? It's looking like yes. Most of them were in the Royce White/Rodney Williams class and nobody in the country would have picked them over Royce and Rodney. But that's a totally different discussion.

Your initial point, that we miss on the best players in MN, was wrong. None of them haven't been choosing to go elsewhere, unless of course you think I'm choosing to not have lunch with Natalie Portman.
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Good luck with her... when she finds out how often you frequent Gentlemen's Clubs.
 


Per Darren Wolfson - Gophers men's basketball head coaching job is Iowa State coach Fred Hoiberg's if he wants it.

If University of Minnesota athletic director Norwood Teague and senior associate athletic director Mike Ellis get their way, Dinkytown will soon have a "mayor."

According to two sources, the vacant Gophers men's basketball head coaching job is Iowa State coach Fred Hoiberg's if he wants it.

Both sources said Teague has spoken with Hoiberg, and told him every amenity -- practice facility, more access to private jets, etc. -- is a guarantee.

http://kstp.com/sports/stories/S2979537.shtml?cat=7
 

This is getting frustrating, I can see why Amelia is not enjoying this.

My head is spinning ... WHAT IS HAPPENING!?!?!?!?!
 

If Fred comes back up here does he bring his "Transfers come on in! " system with him?
 



Sid weighs in:

Hoiberg a candidate?

Former Timberwolves player and executive Fred Hoiberg has become a hot candidate for the Gophers men’s basketball coaching position, according to news reports out of Ames.

My top two candidates would be Flip Saunders and Hoiberg, because they are so connected locally, Saunders as a Gophers player and Wolves coach.

Knowing Hoiberg very well personally, I know his big dream was to become the Iowa State coach, because he grew up in Ames, was a ballboy for the team, a high standout and then starred for the Cyclones.

Hoiberg signed a contract extension with the Cyclones through 2021 following last year’s NCAA tournament, one that pays him an average of $1.5 million over the next eight seasons. It includes a $500,000 buyout if he leaves.

In three seasons with the Cyclones, Hoiberg has posted a 62-39 record with a 26-26 record in Big 12 play, but that includes finishes of 12-6 and 11-7 in the past two years.

Hoiberg has also taken the team to back-to-back NCAA tournaments, the first time that has happened in Ames since 2000-01, and he has won games in back-to-back tournaments, beating Connecticut in 2012 and Notre Dame this year. That’s the first time that had happened since 1997.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/200536651.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

Go Gophers!!
 





Sorry if this has already been posted:

@Dave_Schwartz: Talked with a reliable Gopher source this evening who confirmed earlier reports that Minnesota is indeed making a hard push at Fred Hoiberg.
 

Gopher+RamFan said:
Sorry if this has already been posted:

@Dave_Schwartz: Talked with a reliable Gopher source this evening who confirmed earlier reports that Minnesota is indeed making a hard push at Fred Hoiberg.
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This is our local sports media. One of them is getting played like a fiddle and these maroons (joke) go ahead and report it like it's coming from their sources. Hoiberg's agent is playing a hack named Doogie, he ran with it, and here we are.
 

Parski1 said:
Why do Gopherholer's keep having these pipe dreams....Can we be realistic?
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I'm not to going to say there was never a time that i was content with Tubby as coach but i've been jealous of Hoiberg going to Iowa St. ever since it was announced. I may be exaggerating a bit but who's to say? He certainly has shown potential, thus far in his brief career. I wonder, too, if people might be overlooking that it's possible (i'm not trying to insinuate that it is likely) that being such a huge celebrity in a smaller town is actually kind of overwhelming in some ways.
 

ISU AD just tweeted Hoiberg has agreed to a new contract to stay at ISU.
 

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