Why do wee need a big name?

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Buck the Fadgers

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A big name is as all great until reality sets in. If we don't get wins it doesn't matter who the coach is. If we get wins, there will be excitement. The coach from Navy would be a great get and I can't believe how many people complain he isn't a splashy enough hire. Wins will get excitement people.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
A big name is as all great until reality sets in. If we don't get wins it doesn't matter who the coach is. If we get wins, there will be excitement. The coach from Navy would be a great get and I can't believe how many people complain he isn't a splashy enough hire. Wins will get excitement people.
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Are you serious?

I challenge you to find a post on this board that has someone against hiring Calhoun. I'm sure there is one out there, but everyone would be really excited for him.

I think your kind of off base. People want a big name for that "Instant credibility" Maturi talks about.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
A big name is as all great until reality sets in. If we don't get wins it doesn't matter who the coach is. If we get wins, there will be excitement. The coach from Navy would be a great get and I can't believe how many people complain he isn't a splashy enough hire. Wins will get excitement people.
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I completely agree with your point about winning -that will eventually fill up the Bank. However, if we don't get a solid hire, how many will drop their tickets this year. It's more difficult to get back fans than just keep them.
 

A "Name Coach" also stands a better chance to get a recruit's interest and potentially getting higher rated recruits here.
 

Wheaton said:
Are you serious?

I challenge you to find a post on this board that has someone against hiring Calhoun. I'm sure there is one out there, but everyone would be really excited for him.

I think your kind of off base. People want a big name for that "Instant credibility" Maturi talks about.
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Calhoun isn't the coach at Navy. They are bound to lose a bunch of ticketholders this offseason. A guy like Leach or Harbaugh would go a long way to getting those tickets resold. A guy like Mullen or Niumatatolo would not.
 


Buck the Fadgers said:
A big name is as all great until reality sets in. If we don't get wins it doesn't matter who the coach is. If we get wins, there will be excitement. The coach from Navy would be a great get and I can't believe how many people complain he isn't a splashy enough hire. Wins will get excitement people.
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I don't want the guy from navy because I think the option game is boring as hell to watch and if you don't have a great qb you don't win! the last dominate option team I can remember is the corhuskers with crouch playing qb! the full out option doesn't work anymore. I think we bring in a coach that either goes pro style or the spread. if the option was still an offense that can win a national title, more teams would run it.(maybe I should say triple option so I don't get the know it alls trying to bust my balls)
 

I don't want the guy from Navy because his last name is too hard to spell.
 

Bo Darville said:
I don't want the guy from Navy because his last name is too hard to spell.
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and say.

In all seriousness, I think it's wrongheaded to demand they hire a 'big name' coach. If people drop their season tickets because they hire Troy Calhoun instead of Jim Harbaugh so be it. The important thing is to get a coach who can win. I have no doubt Jim Harbaugh could win if he came here nor would anyone else for that matter. If we hire a lesser known or less successful coach, then the question becomes can he do it and do I want to make the commitment to watching the games while he builds the program. For some people that's no in the cards, which makes no sense with regards to current season ticket holders, since they've just sat through 4 years of mediocre at its best and miserable at its worst football. My sense is, if they hire someone whose name is remotely recognizable, they won't lose too many ticket holders. If they go out on a limb and hire someone like Trestman or a coordinator or nfl guy, then people might just say enough is enough. We'll have to wait and see. Also, the coaching search should end after the BSC bowl announcements are made.
 

If we hire a tier 1 guy or a mystery guy at that level I think we could see season ticket sales increase. The group that is the tier 2 group would likely see no change. Trestman or someone on that level - some would drop imo.
 



ButchNashGuy said:
If we hire a tier 1 guy or a mystery guy at that level I think we could see season ticket sales increase. The group that is the tier 2 group would likely see no change. Trestman or someone on that level - some would drop imo.
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No doubt. I know I'm gonna stick it out. I just hope the guy behind me drops his tickets. I'm sick and tired of listening to him pi$$ and moan the whole game. He was insufferable during the Ohio St game.
 

agree totally BuchNashguy!! Top name will increase Season tickets bad hire or no interest hire will drop.. Why is everyone so high on the Navy guy? lot different recruits will attend Navy then MN?
 

As far as ticket sales go... It's not like if someone drops their tickets we lose that seat forever from the stadium. AGAIN, if we get the wins, the fans (not sure i can call em that) will come back. Why do people assume that hiring an unexciting name will erase the Gophers from some people's brains? If hiring the wrong coach makes people turned off then we will have to deal with it, but you can bet they will be the first people to jump on the bandwagon when things get turned around. What if we hire a big name coach and still don't win? Then will we say " If we can't win with so and so then we can't win with anybody!" Please just get the right guy and quit with this making "buzz" crap.
 




Of course it doesn't matter if it's a big name or not as long as they get the job done. But who do has a better chance of getting the job done: a guy who has already gotten the job done in a BCS conference or a guy who hasn't? Is is it really that hard to understand?

I'm resigned to the fact that we'll be getting one of the second tier guys. And I'll renew my tickets either way and hope we're right for the first time in 40 years. Out of Sumlin, Calhoun, Hoke and the rest of those guys, one of them will be a very good BCS coach. (We already know Bellotti is, for example). Several won't be very good BCS coaches. We'll just have to put our faith in Maturi.
 

Dr.Don said:
Screw it all...It's Miller Time.
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Could it work to hire a coach that's not a big name coach? Sure.

But we have had 50 years straight of mediocrity or worse. That's a lot of bad perception to overcome. If one believes that it's all X's and O's and that recruiting is not a big deal, then fine, take a shot at a coach who is not a big name. I think you are going to need a combination of really good recruiting and great coaching to overcome the issues that we face in a great conference. We got impatient with Brewster in his third year, who here thinks we are going to be patient with the next coach if he is not a coach who has a great track record for success?

Nobody is going to win big right away, Holtz didn't. It's going to take time. A big name will buy that patience with the fan base.

Leach- it would take some guts but he could do this.
 

Hates Monikers said:
But who do has a better chance of getting the job done: a guy who has already gotten the job done in a BCS conference or a guy who hasn't? Is is it really that hard to understand?
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Do you have evidence to support this? If it's so easy to understand then why don't most universities hire a guy who has gotten the job done in a BCS conference? Did those previous BCS coaches have to deal with a similar situation as we are in? Who is going to be hungrier to build a program; someone who has been coaching at some $EC school like Georgia or Tenn (where recruits basically fall in your lap)the last 10 years or someone who has been coaching at Norther Illinois or Temple? So yeah i guess it is a little hard to understand.
 

bga1 said:
Could it work to hire a coach that's not a big name coach? Sure.

But we have had 50 years straight of mediocrity or worse. That's a lot of bad perception to overcome.
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Kids are 18 not 68, so it might not be as bad as you think.
 

I don't think next year's ticket sales are that big of a crisis. We play IA,WS, and NB here. Those tickets will get sold irrespective of who we hire. That doesn't mean it will be fun to watch, but tickets for those games will get sold. It would be great to hire a winner who would sell tickets and win, but winning is the answer, and especially winning at home.
Wacker was hired because his offense would sell tickets. Wrong move. Winning sells tickets. Mason ran a great running game, but people hate fourth quarter chokes. (Count me in that group, I am tired of technically excellent offenses losing games.)
It is about winning, especially at home. The only coaches I remember after Warmath whose teams were better at home were Stoll and Holtz. The dome was in my mind part of the problem, really favored talented teams. People want to see big wins at home. We have not done that for 25 years.
Winning big games at home brings fans back, winning them only on the road gets degree of difficulty points only with junkees like us.
 

Just go with the biggest name out there. That has to be the Navy guy. His name is so big we will have to abbreviate it. The easy name would be something like Skip.
 

I just want the coach that will win. I don't need a name. If we are picking a coach who will sell season tickets for the next two years then this program is doomed to fail.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
Do you have evidence to support this? If it's so easy to understand then why don't most universities hire a guy who has gotten the job done in a BCS conference? Did those previous BCS coaches have to deal with a similar situation as we are in? Who is going to be hungrier to build a program; someone who has been coaching at some $EC school like Georgia or Tenn (where recruits basically fall in your lap)the last 10 years or someone who has been coaching at Norther Illinois or Temple? So yeah i guess it is a little hard to understand.
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You simply cannot be serioiuis with that question. If you are Kmart and you're trying to turn things around to catch Walmart, do you hire Target's CEO or do hire the manager at Jake's General Store in Ely? I'm not saying the manager at Jake's won't be better, but one is much more of a crapshoot than the other.

I understand that many schools don't pick a BCS coach. And many of them choose wisely. But more don't. Minnesota's history is that we don't. And keep in mind it helps to pick an up-and-comer when the program is already established and/or is in the middle of a good recruiting area.

Why don't "most" universities hire a guy who has gotten the job don in a BCS conference, you ask? Well ... Texas did it. LSU did it. Alabama did it. UCLA did it. USC did it ... sort of. Notre Dame did it. Many, many schools do it. Some of them are even pretty good. There's no guarantee that an established coach would be any better than the second tier guys. But is sure is easier to guess.
 

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