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Schnauzer said:
That is where you started to go wrong, and it just got worse from there.

Apples and oranges.

You aren’t the first person low on college football knowledge attempt to compare your way to some silly conclusions. So it is okay. No worries.
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You're a guy with the moniker "pretty sure I'm wrong"...so there's that.
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
Yeah, I thought about that when I saw the LSU v Purdue score. Of course comparing scores among three teams isn't a certain measure of their relative strengths, but that pair of games is more than a little telling.
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Look at all the computer ratings. Ranks and scores. We are on a par with LSU and Mississippi State.
 

If it can be done, the margin for error is non-existent. Need to hold a 14 pt lead in 2014. Can’t drop the ball at Iowa in 2019. Can’t have the ball bounce off hands in the end zone at Purdue in 2022. Can’t have the guy who never fumbles fumble against Iowa.
 

spermophilus said:
It was all over when Penn State joined the B1G.

It was all over when Nebraska joined the B1G.

So we were told/warned.
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Well, to be fair, we haven’t won the B1G since either of those things happened 🤷‍♂️
 

roadrunner said:
I'm comparing 2 teams that played the SAME TEAM in the SAME YEAR. I'm not sure how your comparison is even relevant.
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The comparisson you are making is flawed and looking at one game like that doesn't guarantee anything. We played Purdue without our best player and made a ton of critical self inflicted errors. So while Purdue might have been 10 points better than us that day I don't believe Purdue was a significantly better team than us overall.

Going into the bowl game LSU was a better team than Purdue even with everyone playing. Then you remove Purdue's head coach and all of their offensive weapons and it was not hard to see the route coming. I 100% believe we would have given LSU a much better game than what Purdue was able to.
 


roadrunner said:
You want to know how far away the Gophers are from being competitive in Power 5 football in 2023?
Purdue 20 Minnesota 10
LSU 63 Purdue 7
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To be fair, that Purdue team didn't have most of their key players for the bowl. But yes, that loss was telling... Gophs lacked the ability to score quickly. The INTs didn't help.
 


As of today, Fickell and his staff have recruited seven players from the transfer portal.
This is a very significant upgrade in adding personnel compared to Chryst.
How has Ruhle done at NE?
I saw that almost all of his staff are former NFL coaches.
 




mngg11 said:
Relative to? Throw some objective, quantitative analysis out there and I'll buy what you're selling, brother. Otherwise,
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The Big 10 West is the only Power 5 division to have not produced a conference champion. The East has had four different champions.

West teams tend to match up well against non conference P5 opponents in mid-level bowl games, but it lacks the top-tier competitiveness to earn any real respect at the national level.
 

fair said:
The Big 10 West is the only Power 5 division to have not produced a conference champion. The East has had four different champions.

West teams tend to match up well against non conference P5 opponents in mid-level bowl games, but it lacks the top-tier competitiveness to earn any real respect at the national level.
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Interesting comment. Here are the results:

Big Ten: West has gone 0-9 since 2014, though Iowa lost to Mich St 13-16 in 2015 and Wisc lost to Ohio St 21-27 in 2017.

SEC: (by far the longest championship game, and its two divisions have ebbed-and-flowed a lot)
since 2009, the East has gone 2-12, though now Georgia looks to be establishing itself as the top program

ACC: since 2011, and excluding the covid year, the Coastal has gone 1-10.

Big 12: had divisions over 1996-2010. In that entire timeframe, the North went 4-11. From 2004 onward, the North went 0-7.

PAC 12: had divisions over 2011-2021. In that timeframe, the south went 2-9.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Football_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEC_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Football_Championship_Game#Results
 

Gophers_4life said:
Interesting comment. Here are the results:

Big Ten: West has gone 0-9 since 2014, though Iowa lost to Mich St 13-16 in 2015 and Wisc lost to Ohio St 21-27 in 2017.

SEC: (by far the longest championship game, and its two divisions have ebbed-and-flowed a lot)
since 2009, the East has gone 2-12, though now Georgia looks to be establishing itself as the top program

ACC: since 2011, and excluding the covid year, the Coastal has gone 1-10.

Big 12: had divisions over 1996-2010. In that entire timeframe, the North went 4-11. From 2004 onward, the North went 0-7.

PAC 12: had divisions over 2011-2021. In that timeframe, the south went 2-9.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Football_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEC_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Football_Championship_Game#Results
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That is interesting.

O-fer is still o-fer, but enlightening to know that that the Big 10 is not the only conference that has division inequity in terms of their Championship game.

Not surprising there has been a push for Top 2 formats across the landscape.
 

ACC Coastal had some wins way back when VT was still a great program. And then in the years I cited, Pittsburgh snuck that one win in with Clemson and FSU down. Otherwise, in that range, they'd be O-fer as well.

Big 12 North really had trouble, too, back when Nebraska and Colorado were still there.

PAC South surprising bad, with USC and UCLA down, and Oregon and earlier Stanford good.
 



Gophers_4life said:
Interesting comment. Here are the results:

Big Ten: West has gone 0-9 since 2014, though Iowa lost to Mich St 13-16 in 2015 and Wisc lost to Ohio St 21-27 in 2017.

SEC: (by far the longest championship game, and its two divisions have ebbed-and-flowed a lot)
since 2009, the East has gone 2-12, though now Georgia looks to be establishing itself as the top program

ACC: since 2011, and excluding the covid year, the Coastal has gone 1-10.

Big 12: had divisions over 1996-2010. In that entire timeframe, the North went 4-11. From 2004 onward, the North went 0-7.

PAC 12: had divisions over 2011-2021. In that timeframe, the south went 2-9.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Football_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEC_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACC_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Football_Championship_Game#Results
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Coastal is definitely the closest comparison to the West, and their only win coming in the Covid year doesn’t add much to their resume. I’d probably give the West the edge over the Coastal for overall quality.

It’s always interesting to see the West be moderately successful in bowl games (although I’m too lazy to try and dig up stats for the division in bowl games).
 





roadrunner said:
You want to know how far away the Gophers are from being competitive in Power 5 football in 2023?
Purdue 20 Minnesota 10
LSU 63 Purdue 7
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We also beat Syracuse who beat Purdue, who had a make shift gong show of a staff against LSU
 



roadrunner said:
LSU had 6 starters opt out. Starting RB, RG, WR and 3 DL. So let's not use Purdue's opt outs as a justification.
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Did LSU coach and QB opt out? Because some losses are worth more than others IMO

LSU is better than Purdue this year I think but that score isn’t indicative of the difference.
 

roadrunner said:
You want to know how far away the Gophers are from being competitive in Power 5 football in 2023?
Purdue 20 Minnesota 10
LSU 63 Purdue 7
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Just imagine what Minnesota could do with Brohm as head coach.
 

It will all play out next year.
This year is now over and leave the post mortems to those who have nothing better to do.
 

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