Vikings/Giants at TCF Bank

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CrocShots said:
Ed Werder said they wanted to move it to TCF, but it has been unused for so long that it would take a week to get back up. Maybe for the MNF game?
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Heard that also. Would be fun to see next game at tcf. The vikes played at memorial stadium in 69 or 70 or around there.
 

howeda7 said:
While I'm sure it's not reality, I say screw what the Giants want. They can get their cold weather gear to town in 36 hours. That's no excuse. Same with Fox. The Vikings should be allowed to move it wherever they want that will best suit their season-ticket holders.
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Shipping is no problem. The fact that the equipment staff is in KC, big problem.
 

Ski U Master said:
1. Low capacity
2. Parking tough
3. Outdoors
4. Booze

I think it would have been a viable option for the Vikings to play in, but to say there is no reason not to play there is not realistic.
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Capacity is a non issue. The Vikings would be most concerned with season ticket holders. Moving to Detroit alienates both fan bases so capacity doesn't matter. The NFL was most concerned with the U needing a week to get the stadium ready for a football game. This is true at all football stadiums. A lot is needs to be done to get a facility ready. Seeing as there is a hole in the roof, the U will probably host the Monday night game next week.
 

kellyleeks said:
How does this benefit the U? How about $500k plus we keep all concession and parking revenues. Also, no alterations to the stadium. The Vikings treated the U like garbage for decades, so why help them out now?
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The U will do as the U is told, they are in no position to solicit ransom. What kind of a dunce are you?
 

Ski U Master said:
1. Low capacity
2. Parking tough
3. Outdoors
4. Booze

I think it would have been a viable option for the Vikings to play in, but to say there is no reason not to play there is not realistic.
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Quick question on the booze. They serve booze for tons of different functions at TCF, just not for Gopher football games. If it is a non NCAA game, why couldn't booze be served?

My assumption is booze will be available for the U2 concert this summer.
 


Many the U can get the Vikings to install cash registers. HAHA
 

The U has the power to say no, the State Constitution gives the U autonomy. Of course there are always repercussions, anger the legislature, and they can play havoc with the U's funding. If the Vikings play at TCF, the U will make out pretty well financially, but will not be gouging. Having a Vikings game at TCF would be great publicity for the U, especially if they don't paint over our logo at midfield or our name in the end zones.
 


What about the fact that TCF does not have employees? Concessions, Security, Custodial, Ticketing, Parking, event-scale maintenance, shipping and recieving, etc. Most of those contracts are up now that the season is over. So you bring dome employees over? Can they operate without cash registers? Do they know all the procedures for garbage disposal? You gonna train all those custodians, security, ticket staff, concessions people in one day? You gonna hire students during the last week before finals, which most people know is the most craziest week of the whole semester? Do you think there is even any food in the stadium? Getting all the food ordered and to the right places in one day would be an epic feat even for full staff in mid-season form.

You going to explain tailgating rules to vikings fans? Parking procedures? You going to demand that all the campus bus drivers stay late one night to cart people to the west bank and st. paul? Parking would need to be on maximum staff on short notice... you think the students are going to be willing to do that on such short notice this week of all weeks? I work for parking, and i say hell no to that! I have sh!t to do.

Worst idea ever.
 



station19 said:
How long would it take to get TCF ready?
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TCF has the infrastructure for electronics only meaning it is NFL standard ready. There are however there is no infrastructure for vending and alcohol sales. There would be huge liability issues.
 


MrGopher said:
What about the fact that TCF does not have employees? Concessions, Security, Custodial, Ticketing, Parking, event-scale maintenance, shipping and recieving, etc. Most of those contracts are up now that the season is over. So you bring dome employees over? Can they operate without cash registers? Do they know all the procedures for garbage disposal? You gonna train all those custodians, security, ticket staff, concessions people in one day? You gonna hire students during the last week before finals, which most people know is the most craziest week of the whole semester? Do you think there is even any food in the stadium? Getting all the food ordered and to the right places in one day would be an epic feat even for full staff in mid-season form.

You going to explain tailgating rules to vikings fans? Parking procedures? You going to demand that all the campus bus drivers stay late one night to cart people to the west bank and st. paul? Parking would need to be on maximum staff on short notice... you think the students are going to be willing to do that on such short notice this week of all weeks? I work for parking, and i say hell no to that! I have sh!t to do.QUOTE


I hate it when people explain the 'rest of the story'.;)

What about next week?
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RodentRampage said:
The U has the power to say no, the State Constitution gives the U autonomy. Of course there are always repercussions, anger the legislature, and they can play havoc with the U's funding. If the Vikings play at TCF, the U will make out pretty well financially, but will not be gouging. Having a Vikings game at TCF would be great publicity for the U, especially if they don't paint over our logo at midfield or our name in the end zones.
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You can't paint over anything on TCF's field. All that you see is stitched sections. Thus, all logos, colors, and writing is apart of the field itself. They will be able to add NFL hash marks with paint.
 



Gopherdrummer said:
You can't paint over anything on TCF's field. All that you see is stitched sections. Thus, all logos, colors, and writing is apart of the field itself. They will be able to add NFL hash marks with paint.
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Correct! You can't just scrub away the logos like at the 'dome, they are literally a part of the playing surface.
 

Stan The Caddy said:
Quick question on the booze. They serve booze for tons of different functions at TCF, just not for Gopher football games. If it is a non NCAA game, why couldn't booze be served?

My assumption is booze will be available for the U2 concert this summer.
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Booze could be served. They servie it when the Packers play exhibitions at Camp Randall.
 

station19 said:
I hate it when people explain the 'rest of the story'.;)

What about next week?
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Next week is a different story. With a week to prepare, we enter the realm of possibility (from a logistics standpoint).
 

badgergopher said:
This sucks. Maybe they can play the Chicago game at TCF if they can't get the dome ready. They are missing a special opportunity, first outdoor pro football game since 1981. Anyone who remembers the met knows that it brought out the best in our fans. I guess I'm just nostalgic.

What is everyone's take on where they could get capacity with temporary stands in the end zone and on the visitor's side.
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Ski U Master said:
1. Low capacity
2. Parking tough
3. Outdoors
4. Booze

I think it would have been a viable option for the Vikings to play in, but to say there is no reason not to play there is not realistic.
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CrocShots said:
Ed Werder said they wanted to move it to TCF, but it has been unused for so long that it would take a week to get back up. Maybe for the MNF game?
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TCF Bank Stadium has been completely winterized. All water has been drained from the entire water system in the stadium proper and has been replaced with anti-freeze. The stadium infrastructure was not designed to function in sub-freezing temperatures for extended periods.

It will take days, if not a couple of weeks, to get the stadium up and running. Even then, the possiblity of the water freezing in the food and restroom areas is a distinct possibilty. We're talking big $$$ to get this done as well.

Not a chance TCF Bank is used.
 

highwayman said:
TCF Bank Stadium has been completely winterized. All water has been drained from the entire water system in the stadium proper and has been replaced with anti-freeze. The stadium infrastructure was not designed to function in sub-freezing temperatures for extended periods.

It will take days, if not a couple of weeks, to get the stadium up and running. Even then, the possiblity of the water freezing in the food and restroom areas is a distinct possibilty. We're talking big $$$ to get this done as well.

Not a chance TCF Bank is used.
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The Vikings or the U really don't have any options in the matter. There really aren't any other options. The U has to make the Vikings cover the cost is going to have to cover any of the costs in "de-winterizing and re=winterizing" the stadium and the Vikes also have to cover any damage to the stadium or any upgrades they wan't to make. Also the athletic departments takes a percentage of any revenue.

In short the U is going to win on this issue.
 

kellyleeks said:
How does this benefit the U? How about $500k plus we keep all concession and parking revenues. Also, no alterations to the stadium. The Vikings treated the U like garbage for decades, so why help them out now?
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When the U finances its own stadium without any public money, then they can call the shots. Since they didn't, they should keep there mouth shut and ask what's needed and when.

The Vikings would obviously need to pay for getting the stadium ready and closing it up when they are done.
 

highwayman said:
TCF Bank Stadium has been completely winterized. All water has been drained from the entire water system in the stadium proper and has been replaced with anti-freeze. The stadium infrastructure was not designed to function in sub-freezing temperatures for extended periods.

It will take days, if not a couple of weeks, to get the stadium up and running. Even then, the possiblity of the water freezing in the food and restroom areas is a distinct possibilty. We're talking big $$$ to get this done as well.

Not a chance TCF Bank is used.
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Just gotta say that you could be wrong about this. What about the football offices, the locker room, the band rooms, the Hall of Fame room, Goldy's Locker, and the DQ room where they host events year round. It would be pretty lame to have a recruit visit TCF and tour the largest locker room in football only to see a frost covered cavernous room dimly lit by security lights.

Maybe the fan restrooms have been winterized, but not the entire stadium as your 'completely' quote suggests. Heck, I could be wrong, but it doesn't make sense that they would completely shut down a prized facility like TCF.
 

highwayman said:
TCF Bank Stadium has been completely winterized. All water has been drained from the entire water system in the stadium proper and has been replaced with anti-freeze. The stadium infrastructure was not designed to function in sub-freezing temperatures for extended periods.

It will take days, if not a couple of weeks, to get the stadium up and running. Even then, the possiblity of the water freezing in the food and restroom areas is a distinct possibilty. We're talking big $$$ to get this done as well.

Not a chance TCF Bank is used.
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If this is true, somebody's head should roll (whoever was involved with design). Building an outdoor football stadium in Minnesota that CANT (i realize its not ideal, but CANT?) be used in the winter is absolutely ridiculous. What if temperatures plummet with a Halloween snowstorm while the college season is still in progress? While inconvenient to re-open, its a publicly funded stadium.... it should have been designed to be able to handle winter weather if necessary. Unbelievable if true.
 

Gopherfan43 said:
If this is true, somebody's head should roll (whoever was involved with design). Building an outdoor football stadium in Minnesota that CANT (i realize its not ideal, but CANT?) be used in the winter is absolutely ridiculous. What if temperatures plummet with a Halloween snowstorm while the college season is still in progress? While inconvenient to re-open, its a publicly funded stadium.... it should have been designed to be able to handle winter weather if necessary. Unbelievable if true.
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I think the point is that it can be used in the winter (I'm sure they considered the Vikes using it for 2 years if they built a new stadium on the Dome site...not to mention a winter outdoor hockey game) but that it can't be used immediately. Winterization doesn't mean the stadium can't handle being used in the winter. It means the U wisely saves dollars by not heating the spaces they don't have to heat in the winter (like the concourses, etc). If Camp Randall can be used in the winter then TCF most certainly can be.
 

Gopherfan43 said:
When the U finances its own stadium without any public money, then they can call the shots. Since they didn't, they should keep there mouth shut and ask what's needed and when.

The Vikings would obviously need to pay for getting the stadium ready and closing it up when they are done.
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I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. The state loaned the U money. It is the U's property to do with as they please. Does your bank dictate how you get to drive your car when you get a loan for it? Grow up and realize that the U does not have to make decisions to suite the needs of a private business.

I think the U would and should accommodate the Vikes in any way they could, but lets not pretend that they have some legal obligation to do so.
 

GoAUpher said:
I think the point is that it can be used in the winter (I'm sure they considered the Vikes using it for 2 years if they built a new stadium on the Dome site...not to mention a winter outdoor hockey game) but that it can't be used immediately. Winterization doesn't mean the stadium can't handle being used in the winter. It means the U wisely saves dollars by not heating the spaces they don't have to heat in the winter (like the concourses, etc). If Camp Randall can be used in the winter then TCF most certainly can be.
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This is what i was referring to:

"The stadium infrastructure was not designed to function in sub-freezing temperatures for extended periods."
 

GoAUpher said:
I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. The state loaned the U money. It is the U's property to do with as they please. Does your bank dictate how you get to drive your car when you get a loan for it? Grow up and realize that the U does not have to make decisions to suite the needs of a private business.

I think the U would and should accommodate the Vikes in any way they could, but lets not pretend that they have some legal obligation to do so.
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Ah yes, completely ignore the PR aspect. Nice

I never said they have a "legal obligation", i'm saying the public paid for it and if we are moving games out of town when we have a brand new stadium we just built... i wouldnt be happy with the U and i'm guessing some others wouldnt either
 

Gopherfan43 said:
This is what i was referring to:

"The stadium infrastructure was not designed to function in sub-freezing temperatures for extended periods."
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You assume he knows every detail of what he's talking about. He might be right, but I think it is likely that they can keep it open but that it just costs a s**t ton of money in heating costs.
 

Gopherfan43 said:
Ah yes, completely ignore the PR aspect. Nice

I never said they have a "legal obligation", i'm saying the public paid for it and if we are moving games out of town when we have a brand new stadium we just built... i wouldnt be happy with the U and i'm guessing some others wouldnt either
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You ignore the part where I say they would and should precisely b/c of the PR option.

As for the obligation part, I was responding to your silly "we (i.e. the state) paid for it and now the U should do what Vikings fans want" post earlier in the thead. If the reason you made that comment was to say "MN fans would be cranky if the U didn't help out so it might be a good idea to open TCF" then I think you might want to rephrase. The way you put it comes across more as "you got some state money so do what I want you to" which is a different argument.
 


I suppose they could have filled the consourses lots of portapotties.
 

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