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I trust in Kill's decision to drop UNC. This idea of BCS non-con chest pounding is a fake pride made by fans who would rather lose respectably to a BCS opponent than have another notch in the "w" column. "If we have 1 BCS then we don't look like panzies." Get over it. Non-conference is the last thing I care about during a season. And if the non-conference is suddenly of great importance, then the Gophers are in a position that I am rejoicing in. I'll worry about non-con when the Gophers begin notching 5+ wins in the Big Ten.
 

I still like Kill and think he still needs time. However, there is no defense to this UNC thing. Maybe if it was Texas that Brew wanted, I could "maybe" understand. But Fing UNC? OMG.

And the money thing is just as bad. The "we'll make it up other ways" is the worst". Makes it sound like they waste a bunch, so no biggie.

This whole thing stinks.
 

kisarazu said:
I trust in Kill's decision to drop UNC. This idea of BCS non-con chest pounding is a fake pride made by fans who would rather lose respectably to a BCS opponent than have another notch in the "w" column. "If we have 1 BCS then we don't look like panzies." Get over it. Non-conference is the last thing I care about during a season. And if the non-conference is suddenly of great importance, then the Gophers are in a position that I am rejoicing in. I worry about non-con when the Gophers begin notching 5+ wins in the Big Ten.
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What a bs comment! It has nothing to do with looking like "pansies" for years we have been hearing about our financial issues. We just pissed a million dollars down the drain. This is a huge blow to our team from a pr stand point and as for the 5+ big ten wins a year, we should start hoping for 1 big ten win instead of pumping out chest and claiming we are going to be winning 5+ soon.
 

lakesgopher said:
What a bs comment! It has nothing to do with looking like "pansies" for years we have been hearing about our financial issues. We just pissed a million dollars down the drain. This is a huge blow to our team from a pr stand point and as for the 5+ big ten wins a year, we should start hoping for 1 big ten win instead of pumping out chest and claiming we are going to be winning 5+ soon.
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So you honestly think that Teague would agree to this if the idea was overall a bad investment? Do you have that low of an expectation of Teague?
 

golfinggopher said:
Has anyone emailed Teague or Kill about the North Carolina change of schedule? I emailed them both but don't know if I expect a response or not? I know Maturi always got back to people on their inquireries.
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I emailed all of them. I got a form letter response from Teague that was a regurgitation of his press conference.
 


kisarazu said:
So you honestly think that Teague would agree to this if the idea was overall a bad investment? Do you have that low of an expectation of Teague?
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Right now yes. It is a bad investment and it wasn't necessary. This is going to hurt season ticket sales and ticket sales in general, I think it can hurt recruiting, and it ruined the causal fan that was on the fence to supporting the U. I think kills comments may have a negative effect on our players psyche, I think everything about this hurts the program in state and nationally
 

lakesgopher said:
What a bs comment! It has nothing to do with looking like "pansies" for years we have been hearing about our financial issues. We just pissed a million dollars down the drain. This is a huge blow to our team from a pr stand point and as for the 5+ big ten wins a year, we should start hoping for 1 big ten win instead of pumping out chest and claiming we are going to be winning 5+ soon.
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I agree on the PR angle, but we didn't throw away $1,000,000. Yes, the U pays UNC $800,000. On the other side of the ledger, there is the revenue from an extra home game and elimination of travel expenses.
 

Kill certainly has taken a beating in the press for this chicken move. I think he wrapped up the turkey of the year award.
 

RodentRampage said:
I agree on the PR angle, but we didn't throw away $1,000,000. Yes, the U pays UNC $800,000. On the other side of the ledger, there is the revenue from an extra home game and elimination of travel expenses.
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After the media is done with us, we will lose over a million bucks. It will come in lost revenue, Die hards aren't going anywhere, others will be lining up to get Viking tickets
 



What team are you guys watching? I'm watching a team that is grasping for every win it can get. I don't believe in moral victories and after seeing our losses to USC and Cal in person I know they do nothing put an L in the ledger. We can play the big competition in bowl season and in the Big Ten.
 

lakesgopher said:
Right now yes. It is a bad investment and it wasn't necessary. This is going to hurt season ticket sales and ticket sales in general, I think it can hurt recruiting, and it ruined the causal fan that was on the fence to supporting the U. I think kills comments may have a negative effect on our players psyche, I think everything about this hurts the program in state and nationally
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I just don't see this as being a longterm PR nightmare. I think the Gophers are not exactly high on the national radar as is. In fact, from a national standpoint, I think most would look at how dismal the Gophers have been, agree they should schedule cupcakes, and then forget what they just read. And I don't think the casual Minnesota person has the Gophers on their radar enough to ruffle their feathers. One thing brings fans and respect at this point - winning. Also, I don't think it's a big deal to the players as I don't think Kill and company are famed for recruiting and grooming headcases on the field.

Again, I don't think we are big enough to have our program hurt. And that hurts to admit.
 

I guess I will add my two cents here also.

One of the main reasons I dislike Jerry Kill is because he is phony...what you see is all shuck, jive and manipulation. But this is what the majority of the base wants, someone to pretend to be all humble and golly gee (IMO). The rest of us just want a winner.

Now based on my premise that I could care less if I like the man or not (it's truly irrelevant).....he is doing the absolute correct thing. As someone stated above; those 15 practices in December and the national game exposure a bowl games brings (even if it's in Detroit) are paramount to the success of the program (that and recruiting the majority of his players from Mn) Wisconsin has made it to national prominence with this formula.

Coach will bring in the type of players he wants to coach, coach the players up, instill confidence in them with some early season wins. Then roll the dice and see what he has by playing the Big Ten season. If he has a bad Big Ten season, scavenge a couple 2/3 wins, play in a bowl game and start the process over again. A bad Big Ten season will result in an embarrassing bowl game. A medium Big Ten season will result in a reputable bowl game and good Big Ten season will us on cloud nine. In all scenarios will be wearing gopher gear proudly at the end of the season.

The short answer? He should care less what anyone thinks about his preseason schedule; that won't get him fired. What will get him fired is not going to a bowl game. This just furthers my confidence that he KNOWS what he is doing.....keep the team relevant.
 

kisarazu said:
I just don't see this as being a longterm PR nightmare. I think the Gophers are not exactly high on the national radar as is. In fact, from a national standpoint, I think most would look at how dismal the Gophers have been, agree they should schedule cupcakes, and then forget what they just read. And I don't think the casual Minnesota person has the Gophers on their radar enough to ruffle their feathers. One thing brings fans and respect at this point - winning. Also, I don't think it's a big deal to the players as I don't think Kill and company are famed for recruiting and grooming headcases on the field.

Again, I don't think we are big enough to have our program hurt. And that hurts to admit.
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You very well could be right and I hope u are. We have had nothing but red flags in our program over the last 6 years, this is a new one that the local media will kill us on it. If we had Alabama on the schedule I get it, but its frickin UNC. It's already rumored that opposing coaches use the seizure thing against kill and now we have new ammunition to add on top. I felt we had great momentum going into big ten play and now anything we had is dead. It's looking like we are in for a long couple of years
 



I couldn't care less about dumping UNC on the schedule in future years.

The Gophers play a game against Wisconsin on Saturday. That's about all I care about at this point. A win, and nobody will give a crap about dumping UNC.

People just look for things to bother themselves about. It's embarassing. Life's too short, you don't need the stress.
 

Does anyone even remember that we did in fact lose to NMSU last season? This program has proven over the last half decade that there isn't a for sure win on the schedule.
 

lakesgopher said:
You very well could be right and I hope u are. We have had nothing but red flags in our program over the last 6 years, this is a new one that the local media will kill us on it. If we had Alabama on the schedule I get it, but its frickin UNC. It's already rumored that opposing coaches use the seizure thing against kill and now we have new ammunition to add on top. I felt we had great momentum going into big ten play and now anything we had is dead. It's looking like we are in for a long couple of years
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Man I hope so too. We'll see how this thing plays out. Bring on Wisky.
 

Dropping the series is one thing. I think it's sort of lame.

But spending 800k to do it is criminal.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
I guess I will add my two cents here also.

One of the main reasons I dislike Jerry Kill is because he is phony...what you see is all shuck, jive and manipulation. But this is what the majority of the base wants, someone to pretend to be all humble and golly gee (IMO). The rest of us just want a winner.

Now based on my premise that I could care less if I like the man or not (it's truly irrelevant).....he is doing the absolute correct thing. As someone stated above; those 15 practices in December and the national game exposure a bowl games brings (even if it's in Detroit) are paramount to the success of the program (that and recruiting the majority of his players from Mn) Wisconsin has made it to national prominence with this formula.

Coach will bring in the type of players he wants to coach, coach the players up, instill confidence in them with some early season wins. Then roll the dice and see what he has by playing the Big Ten season. If he has a bad Big Ten season, scavenge a couple 2/3 wins, play in a bowl game and start the process over again. A bad Big Ten season will result in an embarrassing bowl game. A medium Big Ten season will result in a reputable bowl game and good Big Ten season will us on cloud nine. In all scenarios will be wearing gopher gear proudly at the end of the season.

The short answer? He should care less what anyone thinks about his preseason schedule; that won't get him fired. What will get him fired is not going to a bowl game. This just furthers my confidence that he KNOWS what he is doing.....keep the team relevant.
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You could be right on with this take. The sad part is the lack of confidence is shows. The idea that we need those 4 wins to get to a bowl game is pathetic even if it is true. Going into the season we have a staff that doesn't believe they can win more then a couple BIG games each year for the foreseable future.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
I guess I will add my two cents here also.

One of the main reasons I dislike Jerry Kill is because he is phony...what you see is all shuck, jive and manipulation. But this is what the majority of the base wants, someone to pretend to be all humble and golly gee (IMO). The rest of us just want a winner.

Now based on my premise that I could care less if I like the man or not (it's truly irrelevant).....he is doing the absolute correct thing. As someone stated above; those 15 practices in December and the national game exposure a bowl games brings (even if it's in Detroit) are paramount to the success of the program (that and recruiting the majority of his players from Mn) Wisconsin has made it to national prominence with this formula.

Coach will bring in the type of players he wants to coach, coach the players up, instill confidence in them with some early season wins. Then roll the dice and see what he has by playing the Big Ten season. If he has a bad Big Ten season, scavenge a couple 2/3 wins, play in a bowl game and start the process over again. A bad Big Ten season will result in an embarrassing bowl game. A medium Big Ten season will result in a reputable bowl game and good Big Ten season will us on cloud nine. In all scenarios will be wearing gopher gear proudly at the end of the season.

The short answer? He should care less what anyone thinks about his preseason schedule; that won't get him fired. What will get him fired is not going to a bowl game. This just furthers my confidence that he KNOWS what he is doing.....keep the team relevant.
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I agree with your thoughts, but you have me scratching my head about the phony comment. Is this based on personal knowledge of Jerry Kill, the man? Does he actually have a British accent and speak candidly and intelligently on matters of actual importance when removed from the football coach context? Is it so hard to believe that a football coach speaks with a middle-American less-than-articulate brogue? You're right; what you think about him has nothing to do with his performance on the job, as is the case for anyone, but calling him a manipulator and a phony seems a little harsh when you're really in no position to speak with any personal knowledge.

Just agreeing to disagree, I guess. Go Gophers!
 

If I hear the "we will get a lower level bowl game and 15 more practices" argument justifying our dropping NC; I will have a seizure.

This is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard; and I am seriously thinking of non renewing my $500 donor level tickets next year.
 

MRJ said:
I guess that's the reason I'm so upset by this. This is a Mason retread philosophy of doing as little as possible to make it appear that the team is actually making progress while really staying stagnant when push comes to shove imo.
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Funny, thinking about this today I found myself longing for a team that won games at PSU, OSU, & Michigan and beat Oregon and smoked Alabama and Arkansas in bowl games. This is a lot worse than Mason unless some of the seasons end the way his best did.
 

Jerry Kill and Norwood Teague did something that is in their future plans for Gopher Football. But they did something that I don't like, therefore I am giving up and I am pissed off. :banghead:
 

badgergopher said:
Funny, thinking about this today I found myself longing for a team that won games at PSU, OSU, & Michigan and beat Oregon and smoked Alabama and Arkansas in bowl games. This is a lot worse than Mason unless some of the seasons end the way his best did.
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Good point. I guess I should have called it "Masonesque" when discussing this earlier. As it stands, having a coach and an AD literally afraid of playing another BCS conference school makes me think we're getting to a point where even making a bowl game (even one of many truly crappy games) would be trumpeted from the hills as the greatest of achievements by this coach and this AD.
 

RodentRampage said:
I agree on the PR angle, but we didn't throw away $1,000,000. Yes, the U pays UNC $800,000. On the other side of the ledger, there is the revenue from an extra home game and elimination of travel expenses.
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We also have to pay hyphenated university several hundred thousand dollars to come to TCF for a game.
 


Rouser4eVA said:
I agree with your thoughts, but you have me scratching my head about the phony comment. Is this based on personal knowledge of Jerry Kill, the man? Does he actually have a British accent and speak candidly and intelligently on matters of actual importance when removed from the football coach context? Is it so hard to believe that a football coach speaks with a middle-American less-than-articulate brogue? You're right; what you think about him has nothing to do with his performance on the job, as is the case for anyone, but calling him a manipulator and a phony seems a little harsh when you're really in no position to speak with any personal knowledge.

Just agreeing to disagree, I guess. Go Gophers!
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that SportsFan24 had kid on the team the last couple of years. While not making him an expert on Kill it does give him probably more insight that most on here
 

LesBolstad said:
If I hear the "we will get a lower level bowl game and 15 more practices" argument justifying our dropping NC; I will have a seizure.

This is the biggest crock of crap I have ever heard; and I am seriously thinking of non renewing my $500 donor level tickets next year.
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I won't next year but if things aren't looking up, I' may downgrade to non-donation seats and get Vikes tickets for their two years at TCF.
 

I had a hard time getting up to going to New Hampshire and Western Michigan and actually brought 3 additional people to Syracuse. That will make three of seven games in my package that I would rather not attend. One million dollars from a department focusing on not having resources to to build facilities, competing with Ohio State's resources, etc. It is North Carolina, not Virginia Tech.

Half of the tickets in the package are throw aways. Buying singles on the street to Big Ten games or the Vikings, especially with a new stadium suddenly looks like a better option to some.
 

badgergopher said:
Funny, thinking about this today I found myself longing for a team that won games at PSU, OSU, & Michigan and beat Oregon and smoked Alabama and Arkansas in bowl games. This is a lot worse than Mason unless some of the seasons end the way his best did.
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Oh, Puuuuhh Leeeeeez. Over a ten year period in the big 10, you point out 3 mason victories? C'mon, if you play Michigan enough, you'll eventually beat them. Even the '96 bulls lost 10 games. Even the yankees lose now and then. You act like we were batting 50% from the field.

And don't get me started on your 'Bama comment. That was NOT Nick Saban's team. They were not good back then, going through coaches, etc.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Remember, he's from Kansas and Bill Snyder, at K-State, used this formula (4-0 in non-con) to change arguably the worst program in college football into a big winner. Doesn't bother me, as I said in another post, we now have the toughest non-con on our schedule every year: Nebraska. Plus we play Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin every year. That's enough. Bring on South Dakota State! They travel well.
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Yeah, a few weeks ago Kill mentioned Snyder doing it this way.
 

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