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I think I am stating what a lot of us already have or are thinking.

My view of Kill has changed a lot after this UNC situation. He went from being a hard nosed little fellow who wasn't scared of a fight to I don't even know what. UNC would have been a winnable game this year so what are the next couple seasons going to be like?

This just reminds me of Mason all over again. We will go 4-0 to start Big Ten play and then win 2 or 3 games and go bowling but never be relevant in the Big Ten race. It is dissapointing to say the least.

As Gopher fans I feel like we are always optomistic that somehow next season will be better than the last...After this, for the first time, I don't have that same optomism...It was a sad move by Kill and Teague, that is the best way to describe it.
 

Yes, the past 4 days have not been good for Coach Kill. Two of them he had control over (not a great game both from a play calling and a preparedness and this UNC debacle) and then his health issue resurfacing.
There has been good talk on 1500 for the past hour or so. If there is ever a time to change your mind about a decision, this would be the time for Kill and Teague to call UNC back and say, "on second thought...."
 

I don't think they thought it out fully. Kill just put his position under much more scrutiny and lost a ton of goodwill. Stupid move.
 

gophers141 said:
I think I am stating what a lot of us already have or are thinking.

My view of Kill has changed a lot after this UNC situation. He went from being a hard nosed little fellow who wasn't scared of a fight to I don't even know what. UNC would have been a winnable game this year so what are the next couple seasons going to be like?

This just reminds me of Mason all over again. We will go 4-0 to start Big Ten play and then win 2 or 3 games and go bowling but never be relevant in the Big Ten race. It is dissapointing to say the least.

As Gopher fans I feel like we are always optomistic that somehow next season will be better than the last...After this, for the first time, I don't have that same optomism...It was a sad move by Kill and Teague, that is the best way to describe it.
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Could not have said it better myself. As stated in another thread, I am giving serious consideration to why I would contribute money to the program and buy tickets after this type of gutless move.
 

My opinion on kill hasn't changed yet, I want to give every coach there chance to be successful. I'm extremely disappointed and had a buddy call me and say "if we are going to appear to be the same team as Brewster we might as well get some fun games to go to like USC etc" and it was hard for me to argue even though I wanted to. I'm going to continue to hope for next year.
 


I guess that's the reason I'm so upset by this. This is a Mason retread philosophy of doing as little as possible to make it appear that the team is actually making progress while really staying stagnant when push comes to shove imo. All this comes after Kill had presented this "aw shucks, we're going to work hard and get better everyday" attitude when he first came here. In the end, Kill and Teague have no real viable explanations for this other than they've accepted average to below average football for the forseeable future and want the fanbase to do the same.

That's a really really really hard sell to a fanbase that has endured 50 years of this kind of reasoning and mostly completely disgusting on-field performances as a result. In other words, all their blather about building the program really indicates doing just enough to remain employed and nothing more than that. What it really comes down to as a fan is if this kind of mindset is enough to warrant your attention. For me, that's a very legitimate question at this popint.
 

We already knew that Kill wanted out of the NC series. Why would my opinion of him change now, if it hadn't already changed?

I look at the product on the field and I see that a team that was 1-5 at this time last season is 4-2 and plays tough defense.

Sure, I'd like more prestigious opponents. I was really excited about the Gophers playing Cal and USC in the last few years, but did you notice that they lost all those games?

Bowl eligibility is Kill's immediate goal, and I think dropping North Carolina was a sensible (if not very satisfying) step in that direction.
 

Actions like this make me wonder why they fired Brewster. In 4 years, he went to two bowls. In one of those two bowl years he played two BCS team (@Syracuse, Cal) and Air Force.

It looks to me like Kill's ultimate goal is to achieve what Brewster did in two of his 3.5 years but playing worse schedules.
 

everybody knows my name said:
We already knew that Kill wanted out of the NC series. Why would my opinion of him change now, if it hadn't already changed?

I look at the product on the field and I see that a team that was 1-5 at this time last season is 4-2 and plays tough defense.

Sure, I'd like more prestigious opponents. I was really excited about the Gophers playing Cal and USC in the last few years, but did you notice that they lost all those games?

Bowl eligibility is Kill's immediate goal, and I think dropping North Carolina was a sensible (if not very satisfying) step in that direction.
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We weren't over powered in those games and it felt like we had a shot at pulling the upsets. I think u have a weak argument! If we lose to better teams but it helps ticket sales, casual fans paying attention, and recruiting the loss isn't that big of a deal. Now on the other hand if we lose ticket sales, the casual fan, and recruiting starts to slip we have an issue internally. I'm scared we are about to lose future "Rasheed hagemans and Andre McDonald's" to other programs because what kid gets excited to win 3 big ten games a year and play a bunch of Dakota schools? Might as well go to wisky or ndsu
 



everybody knows my name said:
We already knew that Kill wanted out of the NC series. Why would my opinion of him change now, if it hadn't already changed?

I look at the product on the field and I see that a team that was 1-5 at this time last season is 4-2 and plays tough defense.

Sure, I'd like more prestigious opponents. I was really excited about the Gophers playing Cal and USC in the last few years, but did you notice that they lost all those games?

Bowl eligibility is Kill's immediate goal, and I think dropping North Carolina was a sensible (if not very satisfying) step in that direction.
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+1

What most people are forgetting is that while it might equate to a low level bowl, the extra 15 practices will go a long way towards the future of this team. Look at the number of injuries we have this week alone, we are not at the point where we can simply plug in for those guys without missing a beat. Coach has to look out for his players first and foremost. If the non-con slate continues to look like this in 2017, 2018 & 2019, then there should be an uproar.
 

Winnipegopher said:
Actions like this make me wonder why they fired Brewster. In 4 years, he went to two bowls. In one of those two bowl years he played two BCS team (@Syracuse, Cal) and Air Force.

It looks to me like Kill's ultimate goal is to achieve what Brewster did in two of his 3.5 years but playing worse schedules.
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No one cares who you played to get to a bowl. Recruiting is easier when you are coming off a bowl season. Kill has injuries to deal with, he pulled two more redshirts last game, and took over a terrible roster. The only way out of this mess is to win games and get to bowls. Cupcakes needed at this point.
 

I'm as big a Coach Kill fan as there is, but even I'm disappointed with this move. I don't think they realize just how bad what they just did is to the program, going 0-2 in the Big Ten already had people saying same old Gophers, can't win when it counts, and now dodging competition. Makes me wonder why anyone would want to continue to pay to see these non-conference games. They just sealed the deal on a half empty stadium for the next several years unless by some miracle we can beat Wisconsin and start winning some meaningful games, but judging by the Kill presser where he's basically says we are too young to win and all of our players are injured that's extremely doubtful. Way to Kill any positive momentum, pun intended. We're out of all the somewhat competitive football teams Teague, I mean league, another pun intended. I might as well make fun of the team I root for because everyone else sure is.
 

gophers141 said:
I think I am stating what a lot of us already have or are thinking.

My view of Kill has changed a lot after this UNC situation. He went from being a hard nosed little fellow who wasn't scared of a fight to I don't even know what. UNC would have been a winnable game this year so what are the next couple seasons going to be like?

This just reminds me of Mason all over again. We will go 4-0 to start Big Ten play and then win 2 or 3 games and go bowling but never be relevant in the Big Ten race. It is dissapointing to say the least.

As Gopher fans I feel like we are always optomistic that somehow next season will be better than the last...After this, for the first time, I don't have that same optomism...It was a sad move by Kill and Teague, that is the best way to describe it.
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Well said.
 



Remember, he's from Kansas and Bill Snyder, at K-State, used this formula (4-0 in non-con) to change arguably the worst program in college football into a big winner. Doesn't bother me, as I said in another post, we now have the toughest non-con on our schedule every year: Nebraska. Plus we play Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin every year. That's enough. Bring on South Dakota State! They travel well.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Remember, he's from Kansas and Bill Snyder, at K-State, used this formula (4-0 in non-con) to change arguably the worst program in college football into a big winner. Doesn't bother me, as I said in another post, we now have the toughest non-con on our schedule every year: Nebraska. Plus we play Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin every year. That's enough. Bring on South Dakota State! They travel well.
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I don't want to play the Dakota's, I feel like we pay for their success and it annoys me
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Remember, he's from Kansas and Bill Snyder, at K-State, used this formula (4-0 in non-con) to change arguably the worst program in college football into a big winner. Doesn't bother me, as I said in another post, we now have the toughest non-con on our schedule every year: Nebraska. Plus we play Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin every year. That's enough. Bring on South Dakota State! They travel well.
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Snyder's done it TWICE THAT WAY!
 

Perfect reason why we need a 16 team playoff system, get rid of the bowl system.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
No one cares who you played to get to a bowl. Recruiting is easier when you are coming off a bowl season. Kill has injuries to deal with, he pulled two more redshirts last game, and took over a terrible roster. The only way out of this mess is to win games and get to bowls. Cupcakes needed at this point.
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And no one in our fanbase cares about Pizza bowl appearances either. Yes we get more practice time, but at what cost? He probably hears people say we need to get back to Mason level success when really few would get excited over that. A couple years like that yeah, but then people want to see some more success from time to time. Otherwise why bother.
 

So how many other Big Ten Teams will not be playing a non Conference BCS Opponent ?
Indiana must be crazy for scheduling Missouri next year.
 

Just to note, the Gophers' have never gone to a bowl game with a 2-6 conference record. If Kill can get to 3-5 or 4-4 this matters less or not at all. A string of 2-6 (6-6) records while going to bowls and he won't be here long.

As I think more about this, I wonder if Teague knows this and sees it as win-win (for NT). Kill turns the program around his way or Teague gets to hire his own hire in two years or so.

I am going to stop posting now and put on my tin-foil hat.
 

Johnny Olson said:
So how many other Big Ten Teams will not be playing a non Conference BCS Opponent ?
Indiana must be crazy for scheduling Missouri next year.
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It will be nice playing conf games when our peers play bcs teams in the non conf and we dont. They will be so beat up and full of injuries while we will be fresh and deep. Big ten title here we come!
 

Winnipegopher said:
Just to note, the Gophers' have never gone to a bowl game with a 2-6 conference record. If Kill can get to 3-5 or 4-4 this matters less or not at all. A string of 2-6 (6-6) records while going to bowls and he won't be here long.

As I think more about this, I wonder if Teague knows this and sees it as win-win (for NT). Kill turns the program around his way or Teague gets to hire his own hire in two years or so.

I am going to stop posting now and put on my tin-foil hat.
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You very well may be onto something there. Teague makes this big financial consession and goes out of his way to make sure everyone knows this is what Kill wanted.

Best case scenario, it works, Kill turns the program into a winner and everyone is happy.
Worst case scenario, we keep on losing, don't become relevant in the conference and after the 2014 season NT uses this debacle as one of his reasons for sending Kill packing and bringining in his choice to run the football program as oppoed to the coach he inherited from Maturi.
 

Tim Riggins said:
+1

What most people are forgetting is that while it might equate to a low level bowl, the extra 15 practices will go a long way towards the future of this team. Look at the number of injuries we have this week alone, we are not at the point where we can simply plug in for those guys without missing a beat. Coach has to look out for his players first and foremost. If the non-con slate continues to look like this in 2017, 2018 & 2019, then there should be an uproar.
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You are drastically overvaluing 15 practices 9 months before the next season given roster turnover. Those practices are meant to prepare for the bowl opponent, not get the team prepared for the next season. It's a completely different environment compared to spring or fall practice.

Going to lower tier bowl games IMO is vastly overrated.
 

Has anyone emailed Teague or Kill about the North Carolina change of schedule? I emailed them both but don't know if I expect a response or not? I know Maturi always got back to people on their inquireries.
 

Doesn't change my impression of Kill at all. Not after last year. He's a successful Coach who spends an inordinate amount of time trying to lower expectations. He started out his tenure by telling everybody how lousy the players he inherited were. Thankfully he backed-off that during the season. His "but we're so YOUNG" matra is still there. He then went to Sid, the unofficial Coaches mouthpiece, to tell everybody how much worse things were here than he thought they'd be. Threatening to leave got him an extension to seven years.

Maybe not buyout proof but pretty damn costly.

By going to Teague pleading about how they need FOUR cupcakes not two he got a cash-strapped University to spend, who knows how much actually, to get out of the UNC series. Hell, he's even got Teague trying to justify the move by talked about how YOUNG the Gophers will be for these games. Games that will be three and four years into his tenure!

Ruesse and some others constantly talk about how Brewster "hoodwinked" everybody with his salesman-like hyperbole. Lou also scammed a lot of people talking about the much he wanted to be part of "rich tradition"at the U. Seems like there may be a whole lot of people who may have been taken in by the "cornpone" act too.

Now maybe Mr. "Aw Shucks and Fundamentals" can get a Center to snap the ball cleanly to a QB.
 

Tim Riggins said:
+1
What most people are forgetting is that while it might equate to a low level bowl, the extra 15 practices will go a long way towards the future of this team.
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If this is Kill's philosophy, that playing one decent OOC BCS team endangers him from even being bowl eligible, it says he only expects to win maybe 5 games, and needs to buy an easy OOC win to get the 6th. It is a really disappointing move, especially considering UNC has the same 4-2 record as the Gophers, and will actually be weaker the next few years because of NCAA sanctions.

The OOC philosophy should be to play one "local" FCS team, 2 midlevel conference teams at home, and one BCS team either at your general level (e.g. Syracuse, UNC) or above for a high-risk/high-reward matchup (e.g. USC) in a home-home. Saying he wants 4 OOC home games as often as possible is code for saying he never wants to play BCS programs, because they'd never agree to give up a return trip.

NIU played multiple BCS schools when Kill coached there, although he was there such a short time he likely had nothing to do with the schedule. In fact, NIU opened 2010 with ISU, Illinois, Minesota and UND. They split these games 2-2 and went 11-3 overall. Kill might argue they would have gone undefeated if they played a patsy OOC schedule. But it's also likely that had they not played those tough B1G/B12 OOC games, they wouldn't have been as prepared to run the table in the MAC.
 

Nothing's changed for me, cause I think Kill just does whatever he thinks he needs to do to have the most success, whether people like it or not. You may or may not agree with his methods, but I don't think he really cares. He says "I've done this before, I know what I'm doing", and the rest of us basically have to sit there and wait for the results either to come, or not come. If they don't, he'll be fired. Lather, rinse, repeat.

All this uproar over a non-conference game doesn't change the fact that he needs to win conference games if he wants to stick around here anyway. Even he knows 2-6 isn't gonna have him keeping his job long if he's doing that on a yearly basis.
 

It all comes down to BIG TEN WINS and BIG TEN LOSSES.

; 0 )
 


Johnny Olson said:
So how many other Big Ten Teams will not be playing a non Conference BCS Opponent ?
Indiana must be crazy for scheduling Missouri next year.
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Not to mention Purdue, MSU and Michigan playing ND every year (though I think ND is dropping one as they go to a pseudo-ACC schedule). And Iowa playing ISU every year. It is the exception to not play at least one BCS conference opponent.

I think the B1G should get together and rekindle the conference challenge idea, which they tried to do with the Pac-12 before their 9 game schedule move nixed it. Each team could be matched with a relatively equal opponent, and this way everyone in the B1G would be ensured a quality BCS opponent. The only other 12 member conference is the ACC, but that seems appropriate level overall. Or we could go against the 14-team SEC and leave the top 2 SEC teams out of it as a fair handicap.
 

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