University of Alabama COVID-19 outbreak not great news for college football season

This is the dumbest conspiracy theory I keep seeing. No matter who wins COVID will not magically go away nor will democrats suddenly relax their stance. It's a GLOBAL pandemic, not just the US.

It's so weird.

COVID doesn't need to be a political hot potato... could have had everyone just say 'man this sucks' altogether and dealt with it...
 

This is the dumbest conspiracy theory I keep seeing. No matter who wins COVID will not magically go away nor will democrats suddenly relax their stance. It's a GLOBAL pandemic, not just the US.
Soooo, 25 out of 26 states with Rep governors are playing HS football and I believe well less than half with Dem governors are not. Coincidence? I guess it could be.

Opinions on whether or not there should be football in the fall are falling almost entirely along party lines for everyone holding an opinion. Coincidence, I guess it has to be, right?

I would bet at least a month's salary that if the current Prez had been saying for several months that there should absolutely be NO football this fall, college, pro or HS, that the national vibe would be incredibly different.
 

And there will be a wave along with flu season regardless. It's just a question of how bad.
Which is pretty much precisely one of the reasons many have been saying spring football is a galactically stupid idea; the time of year when flu viruses and other viruses are gaining the most steam.

But hey, it's getting everyone to back off right now and accept not playing football this fall. I've mentioned it a number of times, but still yet to hear a remotely cogent argument of why football indoors in January is going to be infinitely more safe and healthy than outdoor football this November. Still not a word on that one... We're expecting light speed medical advancements in those 4-6 weeks or so? Wow
 

“infinitely” :rolleyes:

CDC says peak flu season is November through Feb. So by definition of “gaining steam” (positive slope of daily change), it will be gaining speed the most probably in Oct.
 

Soooo, 25 out of 26 states with Rep governors are playing HS football and I believe well less than half with Dem governors are not. Coincidence? I guess it could be.

Opinions on whether or not there should be football in the fall are falling almost entirely along party lines for everyone holding an opinion. Coincidence, I guess it has to be, right?

I would bet at least a month's salary that if the current Prez had been saying for several months that there should absolutely be NO football this fall, college, pro or HS, that the national vibe would be incredibly different.
Right, no one would be playing football anywhere, instead of this half and half because everyone would be following the recommendations of experts.

But if you're in a betting mood how about we put money where our mouths are. If Biden wins, and COVID suddenly goes away without something else significant happening (Vaccine is released, new treatment, etc) I give you money. If Biden wins and COVID stays as it has been you give me money. If Trump wins, no exchange of money because we have no way to say confirm your belief or mine.

I'm willing to put money on the line, are you?
 


Which is pretty much precisely one of the reasons many have been saying spring football is a galactically stupid idea; the time of year when flu viruses and other viruses are gaining the most steam.

But hey, it's getting everyone to back off right now and accept not playing football this fall. I've mentioned it a number of times, but still yet to hear a remotely cogent argument of why football indoors in January is going to be infinitely more safe and healthy than outdoor football this November. Still not a word on that one... We're expecting light speed medical advancements in those 4-6 weeks or so? Wow

You certainly are persistent. Hope it all works out for those playing ball this fall (and fans) and I really mean that. If people want to take the risk and are respectful of those who don't want to (wear a mask in public and keep away, please), thats fine by me. For those conferences opting to play in the spring; I hope it works out well for them too.
 

You certainly are persistent. Hope it all works out for those playing ball this fall (and fans) and I really mean that. If people want to take the risk and are respectful of those who don't want to (wear a mask in public and keep away, please), thats fine by me. For those conferences opting to play in the spring; I hope it works out well for them too.
Then you must support full fans and full tailgating, right? Same exact logic: all that matters is they’re willing to take the risk that they get infected at the events. Easy peasy
 

Right, no one would be playing football anywhere, instead of this half and half because everyone would be following the recommendations of experts.

But if you're in a betting mood how about we put money where our mouths are. If Biden wins, and COVID suddenly goes away without something else significant happening (Vaccine is released, new treatment, etc) I give you money. If Biden wins and COVID stays as it has been you give me money. If Trump wins, no exchange of money because we have no way to say confirm your belief or mine.

I'm willing to put money on the line, are you?
Problem is that Trump in desperation is going to give emergency approval to a vaccine or multiple, before the election. Mark it down
 

Then you must support full fans and full tailgating, right? Same exact logic: all that matters is they’re willing to take the risk that they get infected at the events. Easy peasy

I think its wreckless and irresponsible but some (many) won't be persuaded.
 



Problem is that Trump in desperation is going to give emergency approval to a vaccine or multiple, before the election. Mark it down

Who cares? Those who support Trump will support him no matter what; those who've seen enough have seen enough, regardless of whether or not his administration approves a vaccine before the election. A vaccine is likely coming and Trump is likely going.
 

Problem is that Trump in desperation is going to give emergency approval to a vaccine or multiple, before the election. Mark it down
Nearly a guarantee that he will. But no one with a brain will line up for that one.
 

You certainly are persistent. Hope it all works out for those playing ball this fall (and fans) and I really mean that. If people want to take the risk and are respectful of those who don't want to (wear a mask in public and keep away, please), thats fine by me. For those conferences opting to play in the spring; I hope it works out well for them too.
See, now this post I agree with pretty much entirely. If people, the players, coaches, athletic departments, fans (if they have fans) want to take the risk and are willing to do what they should, what is the issue? Very well put, I agree with this
 

I think its wreckless and irresponsible but some (many) won't be persuaded.
I’m asking you. If you think it is (and of course it is), then you can’t hold the opposite opinion (as you’ve said you do) for players/coaches/staff. The same logic applies exactly in both cases.

The correct answer - in my layperson opinion - is that accepting risk to yourself is invalid, since you can never guarantee you aren’t infecting someone else even if you have no symptoms.

And we just never know when the next perfectly healthy, no underlying conditions, under 45 year old is going to be devastated by the virus, as has happened multiple times. Would hate for it to be someone I knew or loved.
 



Who cares? Those who support Trump will support him no matter what; those who've seen enough have seen enough, regardless of whether or not his administration approves a vaccine before the election. A vaccine is likely coming and Trump is likely going.
What do you mean who cares? That wasn’t the context of my discussion with the other poster. Try reading that context, before piping in.
 

Right, no one would be playing football anywhere, instead of this half and half because everyone would be following the recommendations of experts.

But if you're in a betting mood how about we put money where our mouths are. If Biden wins, and COVID suddenly goes away without something else significant happening (Vaccine is released, new treatment, etc) I give you money. If Biden wins and COVID stays as it has been you give me money. If Trump wins, no exchange of money because we have no way to say confirm your belief or mine.

I'm willing to put money on the line, are you?
The recommendation of experts? What experts? This is where Biden was an absolute colossal fool the other day when he said he would shut things down again if that's what they scientists said. Hey Joe, When you're wearing the Big Boy pants, when you're the boss, when you're in charge, you don't just get to punt and abdicate your decision making to experts. It's not their decision to make; When you're in charge, you take the input from the "experts"/scientists, you take the input from economists, from the business world, you take input from a number of different realms and areas of knowledge and you evaluate all of that information in order for YOU to make the decision. IF it were up to scientists, it would be required to be a scientist to be Prez. That answer told us all that Joe is pretty much what we all know him to be and what he's proven to be for the last half century in politics; an ineffective cowardly career politician.

At the risk of getting into a pissing contest here, with all due respect, you kind of missed the mark with your wager. Aside from the fact that your proposed wager had nothing to do with the hypothetical that I threw out there, the metrics or parameters of your wager are wildly arbitrary and subjective; "if COVID suddenly goes away"? Who gets to decide what that entails? Even the condition regarding release of a vaccine isn't entirely set in stone; there could be a vaccine next week but perhaps it meets the review and acceptance of some but not others (FDA, et al). If you're hell bent on a wager, PM me and I'm sure we can come up with agreeable terms that would suffice. It can't be that hard. That sounds like fun, or at least a nice distraction from the board.

Besides you left no provision for the possibility, albeit I'm sure REMOTE, that the incumbent wins again. I know, I know, it's unthinkable, right?! :cool:
 

The recommendation of experts? What experts? This is where Biden was an absolute colossal fool the other day when he said he would shut things down again if that's what they scientists said. Hey Joe, When you're wearing the Big Boy pants, when you're the boss, when you're in charge, you don't just get to punt and abdicate your decision making to experts. It's not their decision to make; When you're in charge, you take the input from the "experts"/scientists, you take the input from economists, from the business world, you take input from a number of different realms and areas of knowledge and you evaluate all of that information in order for YOU to make the decision. IF it were up to scientists, it would be required to be a scientist to be Prez. That answer told us all that Joe is pretty much what we all know him to be and what he's proven to be for the last half century in politics; an ineffective cowardly career politician.

At the risk of getting into a pissing contest here, with all due respect, you kind of missed the mark with your wager. Aside from the fact that your proposed wager had nothing to do with the hypothetical that I threw out there, the metrics or parameters of your wager are wildly arbitrary and subjective; "if COVID suddenly goes away"? Who gets to decide what that entails? Even the condition regarding release of a vaccine isn't entirely set in stone; there could be a vaccine next week but perhaps it meets the review and acceptance of some but not others (FDA, et al). If you're hell bent on a wager, PM me and I'm sure we can come up with agreeable terms that would suffice. It can't be that hard. That sounds like fun, or at least a nice distraction from the board.

Besides you left no provision for the possibility, albeit I'm sure REMOTE, that the incumbent wins again. I know, I know, it's unthinkable, right?! :cool:
The hypothetical was "The goal posts will move at least until November" and then references to political lines dividing the responses taken to the pandemic, which lead to 2 conclusions on what you are insinuating:

1. If the Dems win, suddenly the coronavirus will disappear and it won't be an issue anymore
or
2. If the president had be saying to keep locked up that the Dems would've taken the view that currently the Republicans have

Please, correct me if you're point is not one of the 2 above. The issue with problem 1 is that we're on track to potentially get a vaccine approved in october/november, meaning there's no clear way to separate "political hoax" and actual working medicine.

As far as 2 goes I highly doubt that would be the case. Looking at most left vs right responses to the pandemic, they all fall roughly in line, so I doubt the Dems response would've been that much different.
 

Problem is that Trump in desperation is going to give emergency approval to a vaccine or multiple, before the election. Mark it down

Which will probably backfire on him because releasing one when everyone with any sense know's it hasn't been properly vetted will just arouse more general suspicion towards his campaign.
 

The recommendation of experts? What experts? This is where Biden was an absolute colossal fool the other day when he said he would shut things down again if that's what they scientists said. Hey Joe, When you're wearing the Big Boy pants, when you're the boss, when you're in charge, you don't just get to punt and abdicate your decision making to experts. It's not their decision to make; When you're in charge, you take the input from the "experts"/scientists, you take the input from economists, from the business world, you take input from a number of different realms and areas of knowledge and you evaluate all of that information in order for YOU to make the decision. IF it were up to scientists, it would be required to be a scientist to be Prez. That answer told us all that Joe is pretty much what we all know him to be and what he's proven to be for the last half century in politics; an ineffective cowardly career politician.

At the risk of getting into a pissing contest here, with all due respect, you kind of missed the mark with your wager. Aside from the fact that your proposed wager had nothing to do with the hypothetical that I threw out there, the metrics or parameters of your wager are wildly arbitrary and subjective; "if COVID suddenly goes away"? Who gets to decide what that entails? Even the condition regarding release of a vaccine isn't entirely set in stone; there could be a vaccine next week but perhaps it meets the review and acceptance of some but not others (FDA, et al). If you're hell bent on a wager, PM me and I'm sure we can come up with agreeable terms that would suffice. It can't be that hard. That sounds like fun, or at least a nice distraction from the board.

Besides you left no provision for the possibility, albeit I'm sure REMOTE, that the incumbent wins again. I know, I know, it's unthinkable, right?! :cool:
Good f**king grief.
 


So if I understand this correctly:

Students came back to campus at Alabama, with a student/staff population of about 50,000. They tested all individuals upon returning (whether symptomatic or not) finding 1% positive. Then, since opening, they’ve tested like the general public has (when you have a reason to believe you’ve been infected) and found between 4-7% positive in a much more selective pool. This is alarming why? Here in MN in the general public, the positive rate has varied roughly around 4-6%. So when kids go back to the U, would you not assume those same rates will occur there? Is campus some magical place where it’s not supposed to spread? Of course it will, and everybody knows that. But for some reason we see these positive tests and treat them with higher scrutiny, even though all these reports of “outbreaks” at schools are either on par with the general public or less.

I’d say the age cohort found at Univ of Alabama is...slightly more at risk of being COV+ than the general public. This Canada symptomatic + vs University (mostly) asymptomatics thing seems like a dumb comparison...I feel like we have to have reached peak misleading statistics? Maybe? Ok, no.
 

The point is that this is taking place in the context of schools trying to play college football this fall.
if there are outbreaks taking place on college campuses, then that increases the likelihood that there will be football players testing positive.

then, the question becomes: how many positive cases can a football program handle before it has to shut down? And, how will programs deal with positive cases, and try to prevent community spread among teammates?

the P3 conferences are trying to walk a tightrope in order to play FB this fall. Ask Karl Wallenda about the inherent risks of walking a tightrope.

These seem like relatively easy questions to come up with answers for, yet nobody seems to know.
 



I’m asking you. If you think it is (and of course it is), then you can’t hold the opposite opinion (as you’ve said you do) for players/coaches/staff. The same logic applies exactly in both cases.

The correct answer - in my layperson opinion - is that accepting risk to yourself is invalid, since you can never guarantee you aren’t infecting someone else even if you have no symptoms.

And we just never know when the next perfectly healthy, no underlying conditions, under 45 year old is going to be devastated by the virus, as has happened multiple times. Would hate for it to be someone I knew or loved.

Agree in principle but one also has to be pragmatic (and realistic). The Covid pool and associated risk to the vulnerable will continue to be higher than they should be. Of course different leadership at the top (republican, democrat, or independent...just about anyone other than Trump) would have helped, but I've accepted that people will do what people do in the U.S. For better or worse its kind of in our DNA. Of course this is just my opinion...
 


The recommendation of experts? What experts? This is where Biden was an absolute colossal fool the other day when he said he would shut things down again if that's what they scientists said. Hey Joe, When you're wearing the Big Boy pants, when you're the boss, when you're in charge, you don't just get to punt and abdicate your decision making to experts. It's not their decision to make; When you're in charge, you take the input from the "experts"/scientists, you take the input from economists, from the business world, you take input from a number of different realms and areas of knowledge and you evaluate all of that information in order for YOU to make the decision. IF it were up to scientists, it would be required to be a scientist to be Prez. That answer told us all that Joe is pretty much what we all know him to be and what he's proven to be for the last half century in politics; an ineffective cowardly career politician.

At the risk of getting into a pissing contest here, with all due respect, you kind of missed the mark with your wager. Aside from the fact that your proposed wager had nothing to do with the hypothetical that I threw out there, the metrics or parameters of your wager are wildly arbitrary and subjective; "if COVID suddenly goes away"? Who gets to decide what that entails? Even the condition regarding release of a vaccine isn't entirely set in stone; there could be a vaccine next week but perhaps it meets the review and acceptance of some but not others (FDA, et al). If you're hell bent on a wager, PM me and I'm sure we can come up with agreeable terms that would suffice. It can't be that hard. That sounds like fun, or at least a nice distraction from the board.

Besides you left no provision for the possibility, albeit I'm sure REMOTE, that the incumbent wins again. I know, I know, it's unthinkable, right?! :cool:
If you paid any attention to the death march DNC, then watched the Positivity and upbeat tone of the RNC, it’s not unthinkable at all, it’s likely. America won’t be duped by the news propaganda, as they seek to change reality every day. I’m starting to think Bernie had a better shot, he stood for something, vs just hate and negativity. Even Obama, Michele, Bill, Hillary, dark-angry-negative, negative, negative, negative, all 4. Policy, after policy, after policy is a win for the RNC . . . Vs what, standing for hating current president?

Preach it Jack Brewer, is he awesome! There’s a guy dedicated to making real change for inner city people, for the black family, for Men. Love his passion!
 

Agree in principle but one also has to be pragmatic (and realistic). The Covid pool and associated risk to the vulnerable will continue to be higher than they should be. Of course different leadership at the top (republican, democrat, or independent...just about anyone other than Trump) would have helped, but I've accepted that people will do what people do in the U.S. For better or worse its kind of in our DNA. Of course this is just my opinion...
No, it's not the DNA of all of America.

America has been split, since it's creation. Almost everything that is wrong, foul, and evil with this country, comes from the Virginia colony, its descendants, and its culture/way of life/worldview. They were the proprietors of the evil culture of greed, profits over humanity, and slavery.
 


No, it's not the DNA of all of America.

America has been split, since it's creation. Almost everything that is wrong, foul, and evil with this country, comes from the Virginia colony, its descendants, and its culture/way of life/worldview. They were the proprietors of the evil culture of greed, profits over humanity, and slavery.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness mean different things to different people.
 

If you paid any attention to the death march DNC, then watched the Positivity and upbeat tone of the RNC, it’s not unthinkable at all, it’s likely. America won’t be duped by the news propaganda, as they seek to change reality every day. I’m starting to think Bernie had a better shot, he stood for something, vs just hate and negativity. Even Obama, Michele, Bill, Hillary, dark-angry-negative, negative, negative, negative, all 4. Policy, after policy, after policy is a win for the RNC . . . Vs what, standing for hating current president?

Preach it Jack Brewer, is he awesome! There’s a guy dedicated to making real change for inner city people, for the black family, for Men. Love his passion!

Oh yeah, Trump is Mr. Positivity. Especially his Twitter account. American Carnage!
 




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