Uh Tubby? You have a scorer named Joe Coleman on your bench.

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I know many issues going on right now, but I can't for the life of me figure out why Coleman is getting 4-5 min a game.

Especially in a game like this tonight, where it was a basic run and gun game, everyone slashing and pushing the ball, Coleman gets 3 minutes?!?!

If anything, see what he can bring to the table in junk time where we're down 15-17 pts with a few minutes left. He was Mr. Basketball of the state with some pretty decent offers for a reason, I don't know what we're trying to accomplish by not giving him any clock whatsoever.

Tubby himself said that Joe can really score in a number of ways during the first month of practice, then he doesn't play him at all? I just don't get it.
 

Joe looks like he's still trying to figure out how to get to his spots and get quality shots up in games. If he's doing it in practice, then perhaps he'll figure it out sooner than later, but just my uneducated opinion, it seemed like he was struggling to get good looks at the basket during his stretches out there. Seemed like today would have been a good time to get him some extended time out there though.
 

Wow, until I saw your post I totally forgot about Joe tonight and just had look at the boxscore and I can't believe he only played 3 minutes. That's very odd.

If we don't have Trevor, we'll have to move Rodney to PF and play three guards (likely starting Welch, Hollins, Hollins, Rodney and Ralph) and then guys like Ingram/Halvorson will have to play much more down low than they ever expected and then Coleman/Chip, etc. will be rotating in like crazy.

But yes, weird that Coleman didn't play more tonight.

Box score:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=313312168

Go Gophers!!
 

I'd prefer that Coleman had red shirted. He doesn't look at all ready for quality minutes imo.
 

tikited said:
He doesn't look at all ready for quality minutes imo.
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We need a decent sample size to judge that, he hasn't gotten more than 8 min in any game but 1...and the ONE game he got more than 8 minutes, he scored 10 pts on 4-6 shooting with 4 rebs and an assist. The kid can play.

If you don't think he looks ready for some minutes, part of it might be that the 4-5 min he gets a game are with Ingram, Ahamnisi, and the other bench warmers. He gets any clock with the top 6-7 players, it'd be interesting to see what he can do.
 


ShowinGoldyLove said:
We need a decent sample size to judge that, he hasn't gotten more than 8 min in any game but 1...and the ONE game he got more than 8 minutes, he scored 10 pts on 4-6 shooting with 4 rebs and an assist. The kid can play.

If you don't think he looks ready for some minutes, part of it might be that the 4-5 min he gets a game are with Ingram, Ahamnisi, and the other bench warmers. He gets any clock with the top 6-7 players, it'd be interesting to see what he can do.
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Maybe true, but in a perfect world we wouldn't need him to play this year. Tubby hasn't been able to recruit enough talent and keep the talent we had to make a red shirt even possible. From what I have seen from Coleman (high school and Goph's) I just think he needs more time, so his freshman season isn't a waste.

If Trevor is out for a long time, we will see lots more of Coleman. We also might see the weakest team in recent history. Not another player who can rebound or play tough inside.
 

Joe just isn't ready to be a dependable scorer right now. He needs some time to get an understanding of the speed at the D1 level.
 

I thought once Blake graduated we would be done with your man crushes. I guess that Hopkins royal blue runs deep.
 

rychart45 said:
I thought once Blake graduated we would be done with your man crushes. I guess that Hopkins royal blue runs deep.
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Cute.

Maybe you haven't been around here for a long time, but if you have, you'd know I was a member here long before Hoffarber and Coleman signed with our program, and I'll be a GH member and fan long after they're gone.

Don't have any particular love for Hopkins, but I do typically respect their fundamentals, team play, etc. If you remember, earlier this decade, I wasn't drooling over Humphries, Jeff Hagen, Dan Coleman, or Puchtel (all Hopkins guys), clamoring for them to get more shots, playing time, or anything like that. It's not a Hopkins thing with me, it's usually a player, attitude, fundamentals thing with me. I probably catch 3-4 Hopkins games a year, and see probably 25-30 high school games a year.

In this case, I'm not saying Joe Coleman is a 14 pts/game scorer right now, but I do think he deserves more of a shot than he's received so far. He's lacking in a number of areas, but nothing so glaring that it convinces me he doesn't get at least 10-12 min a game. I think he brings a scorer's mentality like Chip in that he can add offense pretty quickly, and an intensity that most of our guys seem to be lacking...both traits being something we have been pretty short on over the past decade down at Williams.
 




THE SCOUT! said:
you were in definately love with hoffarber admit it.
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Oh, I was a huge Hoffarber fan, no doubt. If you're a lifelong Gopher fan like me, I don't know how you couldn't be.

The kid signed with our mess of a team at the time; Monson just fired, Molinari was our interim, when he had major offers from big-time programs, but chose to stay home with the mess. He was a solid team member for 4 years, unbelievable shooter, fundamentally sound, got the most of his ability, set a number of 3 point records, was an Academic All-American in the Carlson School, and perhaps most importantly, didn't have one bit of drama, attitude, ego, or eligibility problem in his 4 years. You never had to worry about him, period. He was, in my opinion, what a complete Minnesota student-athlete should encapsulate, both on and off the court.

Similarly, if I had been a GH member in his day, Dusty Rychart would've gotten my whole-hearted affection and "love," based on his game, personality, and commitment to his team AND classroom. Although it's extremely early, I see a similar vein with Joe Coleman with his game, personality, etc. I haven't met him, but based on everything I have read and all of the comments from those who have met him here on GH, he seems to be a fine young man with a good head on his shoulders.

In this day and age of kids that don't care about their class work, bad attitudes, huge egos, I think players like Blake and Dusty are a breath of fresh air. I'm not going apologize for my "love" of that type of player.

Maybe I'm just an old fuddy-duddy, but those traits are things that I cheer for in a Gopher student-athlete.
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
I know many issues going on right now, but I can't for the life of me figure out why Coleman is getting 4-5 min a game.

Especially in a game like this tonight, where it was a basic run and gun game, everyone slashing and pushing the ball, Coleman gets 3 minutes?!?!

If anything, see what he can bring to the table in junk time where we're down 15-17 min with a few minutes left. He was Mr. Basketball of the state with some pretty decent offers for a reason, I don't know what we're trying to accomplish by not giving him any clock whatsoever.

Tubby himself said that Joe can really score in a number of ways during the first month of practice, then he doesn't play him at all? I just don't get it.
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I think this is a combo of lousy assistant coaching and Tubby losing track of things at times. I would guess that if he had it to do over again, Coleman gets the last 10 minutes. I think he simply did not have Coleman in is mind nor did the assistants help him with it. Tubby is not always fully engaged- or at least it so appears (witness the unchecked 25-5 run )- he needs a stronger group behind him.
 

bga1 said:
I think this is a combo of lousy assistant coaching and Tubby losing track of things at times. I would guess that if he had it to do over again, Coleman gets the last 10 minutes. I think he simply did not have Coleman in is mind nor did the assistants help him with it. Tubby is not always fully engaged- or at least it so appears (witness the unchecked 25-5 run )- he needs a stronger group behind him.
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And that is a shame. His salary dictates full engagement at all times.

How can you not call a T.O. as the mess was unfolding?

Great, great coaching.
 



joe coleman

I think they lose sight of minutes/playing time. He should probably be redshirted. His strengths are very similar to chips. Energy, ability to drive, rebounding. Weaknesses: spotty shooting, getting lost on defense, not a great ball handler. Right now the sophmore Chip is getting those minutes.
 

Joe not ready. He is one of the worst on a bad defensive team. You could play him and he may get 6-8 points a night, but he would also get doubled on that on the defensive side.
 

tikited said:
I'd prefer that Coleman had red shirted. He doesn't look at all ready for quality minutes imo.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Full disclosure, I never saw Coleman play a minute of HS ball so my impression is not affected by anything he did at that level. I've seen nothing from him, limited minutes or not, to indicate that he should be playing a lot. Nothing wrong with that. RS would be a good option for him.
 

BarnBurner said:
And that is a shame. His salary dictates full engagement at all times.

How can you not call a T.O. as the mess was unfolding?

Great, great coaching.
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and now will Tubby make any adjustment to the offense without Trevor? more 4 out vs feed the post when Andre Ingram is the guy on the low block instead of Trevor? We might see just how stubborn Tubby is, trying to run his "system" with even less talent.
 

Joe Coleman is a player and will have a decent career. But right now he is not finding the seams that he needs to get to the rim, which is his game. And he is getting abused on defense way too much. He is not ready.

Besides, Armelin is and does basically what Joe is and does, only a lot better at the present time. When Chip is getting enough minutes to need a blow, then we can worry about whether Joe is the one filling in or not. But if Chip isn't getting enough minutes to need a blow, then Joe certainly isn't going to be getting more than a token's worth, and shouldn't.
 



Tikited, Finally someone speaking some truth on here! For that said I think I would rather have Chip out there 100% than Joe, and to reiterate, Tubby has not recruited much not including the 2008-09 season. Due to unfortunate events, Royce quits, Devoe quits/gets kicked off, Al breaks foot, Trevor has to sit out, Cobbs leaves, and now we have this young team without an identity. Our recruiting class is pretty bad so far for next year, so my friends it looks like we may have some dark days ahead.
 

I gotta say, I thought Coleman was going to be playing better and getting more minutes then he is right now. Does that change with TM done? Probably. I still think he is going to be better than his brother and could be a huge factor for this team by the end of the year.
 

I know it's still early, but just look at what Coleman has done with a tiny bit more playing time since my last post:

In the past 3 games, Coleman is only averaging 13 minutes/game. His stats:

10.3 pts/game
2 assists/game
1.3 rebs/game
0.7 steals/game
6:1 assist/TO ratio (the 1 TO was Hollins not catching his bounce pass today)
70% FG (9/13)
100% 3pt (2/2)
73% FT (11/15)

Now, I know he has areas where he needs to improve (namely defense, although I don't see him as any worse than our other guards for his experience...and he did take a nice charge today, but he can work on his D).

I just don't know how you can keep him off the floor; he is super aggressive and just finds ways to score. Who knows how much PT he'll get this year, but I think it would be a mistake to keep him on the pine this year when we have a major lack of scoring options on this team. I've been pretty excited with his play lately...

Just my $.02.
 

I wouldn't mind seeing Joe start instead of Mav.
 


Joe Coleman and others on this team

I made a post here last spring regarding Joe Coleman that was less than complimentary. I had watched him for the first time ( I think in the 1st half of the finals of the hs basketball tourney) and was completely unimpressed. I was hoping I'd was wrong and I'd see a different Joe Coleman next year--he was Mr Basketball afterall. What I've seen this year confirms my perception of him as a player--he should never have been recruited. He is a division 2 basketball talent and anyone with an eye would recognize it immediately. As fans we're not here to celebrate when one of our players can bounce the ball!! We're here to support the program in the hope Tubby can resurrect this once proud program to national prominence. We should look at these players critically ie relative to other v good players around the country so we have an idea if the program is moving in the right direction. 3 Minnesota boys are prominent contributors to the Badger team that recently took NC to the brink. All 3 of them were less highly regarded than some of the players on this team. Bo can recognize talent. Then he can recruit it. Tubby, I fear, can do neither. We're in for a long season.
 

1) You're saying Joe wouldn't play for ANY of the 342 basketball teams in division 1? Ya, ok.
2) You're saying ESPN got it WAY wrong in that he clearly wasn't a 4-star division 1 recruit?
3) Are you are going to say why you think that? Based on a post a couple above yours he is putting up GREAT numbers for the amount of time he's been playing.
 

zambam said:
Except Mav is in there to play PG.
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Mav is a PG? No **** Sherlock! Welch should be starting at PG. It's just ridiculous to have him at SG. I really don't know what Tubby's infatuation is with Mav, but he is going to kill us in Big Ten play if he continues to start. He can sneak in some 3's against small conference teams, but he is going to be turnover city come Big Ten play. We have Coleman, Chip and Hollins that can start at SG. Welch needs to be running the show. I hope Tubby gets this through his thick skull soon. You'd seriously think Mav is dating Tubby's niece or something the way he shows favoritism to him.
 

Jibrahnike said:
Mav is a PG? No **** Sherlock! Welch should be starting at PG. It's just ridiculous to have him at SG. I really don't know what Tubby's infatuation is with Mav, but he is going to kill us in Big Ten play if he continues to start. He can sneak in some 3's against small conference teams, but he is going to be turnover city come Big Ten play. We have Coleman, Chip and Hollins that can start at SG. Welch needs to be running the show. I hope Tubby gets this through his thick skull soon. You'd seriously think Mav is dating Tubby's niece or something the way he shows favoritism to him.
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Except Welch already turns the ball over quite a bit without handling the ball as much as a PG does. Welch is averaging 2.5 TO a game and Mav 1.1.
 

doctor j said:
I made a post here last spring regarding Joe Coleman that was less than complimentary. I had watched him for the first time ( I think in the 1st half of the finals of the hs basketball tourney) and was completely unimpressed. I was hoping I'd was wrong and I'd see a different Joe Coleman next year--he was Mr Basketball afterall. What I've seen this year confirms my perception of him as a player--he should never have been recruited. He is a division 2 basketball talent and anyone with an eye would recognize it immediately. As fans we're not here to celebrate when one of our players can bounce the ball!! We're here to support the program in the hope Tubby can resurrect this once proud program to national prominence. We should look at these players critically ie relative to other v good players around the country so we have an idea if the program is moving in the right direction. 3 Minnesota boys are prominent contributors to the Badger team that recently took NC to the brink. All 3 of them were less highly regarded than some of the players on this team. Bo can recognize talent. Then he can recruit it. Tubby, I fear, can do neither. We're in for a long season.
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I love when people say "I support the Gophers!" "I'm a big Gophers fan!" then spend a paragraph ripping them, ripping Tubby, and getting a hard on for the Badgers ... I think you logged on to the wrong board.
 

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