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I mean, there's a NONZERO percent chance it could happen. But the odds of that actually happening are really, really, really close to zero. There have been teams that have used victories like this to catapult to a March before this run but it won't be happening in Dinkytown, as much as would want it to.
Victories like these are just appreciated because the guys clearly haven't quit on Ben yet and effort and hustle is always nice to see.
 

FinnGopher said:
Just because we beat a good team, at home, in overtime, we have to believe the players are motivated to win again. Really? We have to believe?
I am glad their pride caused them to try hard to win, but those bad freethrow shooters are still bad. This win is a once a month anomaly. I have no belief that these kids can make their freethrows and win another game before Washington comes to town.
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I think the players are always trying to lose
 

JZABR said:
I mean, there's a NONZERO percent chance it could happen. But the odds of that actually happening are really, really, really close to zero. There have been teams that have used victories like this to catapult to a March before this run but it won't be happening in Dinkytown, as much as would want it to.
Victories like these are just appreciated because the guys clearly haven't quit on Ben yet and effort and hustle is always nice to see.
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It is important because they appear to be improving. They've played well three out of the last four games. Is it enough for Johnson to keep his job probably not, but it is fairly obvious at it's basic level Johnson isn't that bad of a coach. Much more to being a high level division 1 coach than that though and no matter what the environment is it is incumbent on the coach to win and that hasn't happened. At a couple mil a year you better go out and try to find someone that can be successfull.
 

jovs said:
It is important because they appear to be improving. They've played well three out of the last four games. Is it enough for Johnson to keep his job probably not, but it is fairly obvious at it's basic level Johnson isn't that bad of a coach. Much more to being a high level division 1 coach than that though and no matter what the environment is it is incumbent on the coach to win and that hasn't happened. At a couple mil a year you better go out and try to find someone that can be successfull.
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Silly. I've seen nothing demonstrating Johnson is any better than most high school coaches. There are probably 25 Minnesota HS head coaches I'd swap with BJ to finish the rest of the season (I'm talking X's and O's and not recruiting/fund raising etc)
 

LesBolstad said:
Silly. I've seen nothing demonstrating Johnson is any better than most high school coaches. There are probably 25 Minnesota HS head coaches I'd swap with BJ to finish the rest of the season (I'm talking X's and O's and not recruiting/fund raising etc)
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Who was the last basketball program to employ you?
 



LesBolstad said:
Silly. I've seen nothing demonstrating Johnson is any better than most high school coaches. There are probably 25 Minnesota HS head coaches I'd swap with BJ to finish the rest of the season (I'm talking X's and O's and not recruiting/fund raising etc)
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Sadly while X’s and O’s are important, they become a moot point if you aren’t recruiting, and in this day and age, fund raising. Designing a good offense and defense become useless if the players can’t shoot, or can’t move their feet. Johnson’s offense is not that different from many others. But when you set up the open three and it’s missed 75% of the time, no offense looks good. When it’s made 40% of the time any offense looks successful.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I think the players are always trying to lose
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Being motivated to win and actually having the capacity to win are two different things. On most nights, Michigan would beat the Gophers by 20 plus points. This just happened to be that night when a much weaker team prevailed.
 

FinnGopher said:
Being motivated to win and actually having the capacity to win are two different things. On most nights, Michigan would beat the Gophers by 20 plus points. This just happened to be that night when a much weaker team prevailed.
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Yep and that's why they bother to play the games. We all get that Michigan has a better team then us this year, but for one night at least we were able to get the W and it was a ton of fun to watch.
 




Two things can be true at the same time. (1) Johnson had been the worst coach of my time following the Gophers and deserves to be fired and (2) it is a lot of fun to beat a ranked Michigan team at home. That game didn't change number1 , which i have talked about plenty and don't need to pick the moment after a fun win to be belabor. I do choose to use this moment to say I enjoyed beating Michigan.
 

LesBolstad said:
Silly. I've seen nothing demonstrating Johnson is any better than most high school coaches. There are probably 25 Minnesota HS head coaches I'd swap with BJ to finish the rest of the season (I'm talking X's and O's and not recruiting/fund raising etc)
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Idk Ben has a pretty iconic high school coach who did a lot of winning as his top assistant. Recruiting and driving up donors is like 90 percent of what matters now and clearly we are not bringing in enough talent
 

1. Do we know if coaches impact NIL money with certainty?
2. Are we going through a ritual scapegoating exercise that will result in marginal team improvement at simply a higher cost of doing business?
3. Are we just in a vicious cycle of changing coaches with no real improvement?
4. How many of you know that research shows that leadership change almost never improves organizational improvement?
5. How many of you know that process improvement leads to performance improvement?

If we want a better team through recruiting, then we need better pitch, NIL money, reason for players to come to Minnesota. Things I would do to fix the program: build a new basketball facility, establish ties to advertisers, alumni, students and the legislature. I would get Marc Coyle to develop a long-range framework to get these things done. The Barn is a dump, badly designed, antiquated facility with no allure at all. The reason few schools retained this type of design is because better building design is PREFERABLE. I think the number one problem is comfortable stadium seating, better food vendors and player locker rooms. None of that is going to happen at the Barn, which has zero reason to be venerated and held in such high esteem by alumni. Before I would move to get a coach, I would move to get a venue that is not a white elephant.
 



TD12 said:
It was a good win for the team! Is this a springboard to making the tournament…….NO……. PLEOPLE need to be realistic. This team is still bad and it needs a change of leadership.
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Just seeing this. After the gopher win I was humming "One Shining Moment." Thank goodness you brought me back to reality.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Two things can be true at the same time. (1) Johnson had been the worst coach of my time following the Gophers and deserves to be fired and (2) it is a lot of fun to beat a ranked Michigan team at home. That game didn't change number1 , which i have talked about plenty and don't need to pick the moment after a fun win to be belabor. I do choose to use this moment to say I enjoyed beating Michigan.
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I'm also in the "two things can be true at the same time" camp.

I am very happy that we beat Michigan, but it wasn't through superior coaching.
 


Oneoldgopher said:
1. Do we know if coaches impact NIL money with certainty?
2. Are we going through a ritual scapegoating exercise that will result in marginal team improvement at simply a higher cost of doing business?
3. Are we just in a vicious cycle of changing coaches with no real improvement?
4. How many of you know that research shows that leadership change almost never improves organizational improvement?
5. How many of you know that process improvement leads to performance improvement?

If we want a better team through recruiting, then we need better pitch, NIL money, reason for players to come to Minnesota. Things I would do to fix the program: build a new basketball facility, establish ties to advertisers, alumni, students and the legislature. I would get Marc Coyle to develop a long-range framework to get these things done. The Barn is a dump, badly designed, antiquated facility with no allure at all. The reason few schools retained this type of design is because better building design is PREFERABLE. I think the number one problem is comfortable stadium seating, better food vendors and player locker rooms. None of that is going to happen at the Barn, which has zero reason to be venerated and held in such high esteem by alumni. Before I would move to get a coach, I would move to get a venue that is not a white elephant.
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No. Distracting us with facilities issues is not going to work. Scapegoating facilities isn't the issue. The game is simple and can be played under any kind of conditions. If it weren't then we would tear out playground basketball courts because of their accommodations.

We aren't making widgets. Process improvement leading to improved performance only works with static objects. Young athletes are anything but static objects. They are driven by so many external forces that they don't care about "the process". They care about status, prestige and what they get in the short term.

Being led by head coaches that need on the job training is the blind leading the naked through fields of glass shards.

If we seem to be in a cycle of coaching changes with no improvement, then we need to look at the criteria for hiring a head coach and the people insisting on having input into the development of these criteria. One of the things that is obviously missing is getting results because that is why change occurs.

Performance improvement requires focus on the job and standards of job performance which is something sorely lacking right now. Changing the process is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

What you are proposing is systematic erosion of competency and skills via misinformation and disinformation. Do you worry about a medicines effectiveness because the color of the pill or fluid might be unappealing to some? Are you putting marketing ahead of performance? It sure sounds like it. There is an old proverb that garbage in a pretty package is still garbage.
 

Oneoldgopher said:
1. Do we know if coaches impact NIL money with certainty?
2. Are we going through a ritual scapegoating exercise that will result in marginal team improvement at simply a higher cost of doing business?
3. Are we just in a vicious cycle of changing coaches with no real improvement?
4. How many of you know that research shows that leadership change almost never improves organizational improvement?
5. How many of you know that process improvement leads to performance improvement?

If we want a better team through recruiting, then we need better pitch, NIL money, reason for players to come to Minnesota. Things I would do to fix the program: build a new basketball facility, establish ties to advertisers, alumni, students and the legislature. I would get Marc Coyle to develop a long-range framework to get these things done. The Barn is a dump, badly designed, antiquated facility with no allure at all. The reason few schools retained this type of design is because better building design is PREFERABLE. I think the number one problem is comfortable stadium seating, better food vendors and player locker rooms. None of that is going to happen at the Barn, which has zero reason to be venerated and held in such high esteem by alumni. Before I would move to get a coach, I would move to get a venue that is not a white elephant.
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Early candidate for "2025 Worst Post"
 


Ewert86PC said:
No. Distracting us with facilities issues is not going to work. Scapegoating facilities isn't the issue. The game is simple and can be played under any kind of conditions. If it weren't then we would tear out playground basketball courts because of their accommodations.

We aren't making widgets. Process improvement leading to improved performance only works with static objects. Young athletes are anything but static objects. They are driven by so many external forces that they don't care about "the process". They care about status, prestige and what they get in the short term.

Being led by head coaches that need on the job training is the blind leading the naked through fields of glass shards.

If we seem to be in a cycle of coaching changes with no improvement, then we need to look at the criteria for hiring a head coach and the people insisting on having input into the development of these criteria. One of the things that is obviously missing is getting results because that is why change occurs.

Performance improvement requires focus on the job and standards of job performance which is something sorely lacking right now. Changing the process is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

What you are proposing is systematic erosion of competency and skills via misinformation and disinformation. Do you worry about a medicines effectiveness because the color of the pill or fluid might be unappealing to some? Are you putting marketing ahead of performance? It sure sounds like it. There is an old proverb that garbage in a pretty package is still garbage.
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The below article shows that hiring a new coach does not translate to more wins, except in elite programs. Of course, this was written prior to the NIL. I hold by my most basic position that a new coach will do nothing. Players are more relevant. A new venue would be an improvement for the public at large and allow the improvement of facilities for things like media, food vendors, and student athletes. The amenities at the Barn are substandard.

 


Oneoldgopher said:
The below article shows that hiring a new coach does not translate to more wins, except in elite programs. Of course, this was written prior to the NIL. I hold by my most basic position that a new coach will do nothing. Players are more relevant. A new venue would be an improvement for the public at large and allow the improvement of facilities for things like media, food vendors, and student athletes. The amenities at the Barn are substandard.

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Oneoldgopher said:
The below article shows that hiring a new coach does not translate to more wins, except in elite programs. Of course, this was written prior to the NIL. I hold by my most basic position that a new coach will do nothing. Players are more relevant. A new venue would be an improvement for the public at large and allow the improvement of facilities for things like media, food vendors, and student athletes. The amenities at the Barn are substandard.

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When a coach is unable to recruit players that are multi-dimensional and instead gets one dimensional players, the result will be more losses than wins.
Anyone who thinks that Ben Johnson is the best recruiter Minnesota can muster has an extremely low expectation.
The Barn is certainly missing the glitz and glamour of an NBA venue, but if patrons are coming to be pampered, then they aren't basketball fans, primarily. Instead, they are self-centered narcissists. Those types of fans can go elsewhere, in my opinion.
 

Ben’s one dimension with players? Poor FT shooting.
 

FinnGopher said:
Anyone who thinks that Ben Johnson is the best recruiter Minnesota can muster has an extremely low expectation.
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I doubt anyone thinks that. I think the point being made is that Johnson isn't the only problem when it comes to recruiting and there may not be dramatic turnaround in the quality of recruiting if he is fired. It's doubtful that the program will spend the money to attract a demonstrated high-quality recruiter. Tubby was a big name when he came here but he didn't get the same caliber of players here that he got in some of his previous spots.
 

TwistingMyMelon said:
I doubt anyone thinks that. I think the point being made is that Johnson isn't the only problem when it comes to recruiting and there may not be dramatic turnaround in the quality of recruiting if he is fired. It's doubtful that the program will spend the money to attract a demonstrated high-quality recruiter. Tubby was a big name when he came here but he didn't get the same caliber of players here that he got in some of his previous spots.
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An actual proven head coach would be a nice start.
Tubby was here after failing at Kentucky where he recruited below the standard. He was tired and should have stepped away from coaching. Clem is a better example. He sharpened his chops at Western Kentucky and brought that fire to Minnesota. It's that kind of coach who can win here. Go find him Coyle.
 

FinnGopher said:
An actual proven head coach would be a nice start.
Tubby was here after failing at Kentucky where he recruited below the standard. He was tired and should have stepped away from coaching. Clem is a better example. He sharpened his chops at Western Kentucky and brought that fire to Minnesota. It's that kind of coach who can win here. Go find him Coyle.
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Clem was the right hire at the right time but so was Tubby. The "tired" stuff didn't come until years 5-6. He kind of gave up after the Royce White/Mbakwe team got torpedoed and started mailing it in. If that team lives up to its potential who knows.
 

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