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Dre Hollins has become a stud and a leader. Without him in the second half and overtime we probably would have lost. Has played great the entire NIT run.

Joe Coleman was 2-9 and 2-4 from the FT line tonight. He missed several layups on fast breaks, open jumpers and had lapses on defense.

I bought into all the hype before the season and still have not seen any improvement in his individual offensive game.

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I don't think he is regressing and I think Tubby still trusts him which is good. He is having growing pains like most freshman.

However, Dre is a stud. No other way around it.
 

gopherinpain said:
Dre Hollins has become a stud and a leader. Without him in the second half and overtime we probably would have lost. Has played great the entire NIT run.

Joe Coleman was 2-9 and 2-4 from the FT line tonight. He missed several layups on fast breaks, open jumpers and had lapses on defense.

I bought into all the hype before the season and still have not seen any improvement in his individual offensive game.

Beat Stanford !!
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Ah, how quick we are to judge true freshmen in their first seasons of college basketball. Patience, friend.
 

Joe had some bad moments tonight but he has been very solid in the post season. He is a freshman, I don't know what you were expecting. Dude is going to be VERY good for us.
 


MadtownGopher said:
Joe had some bad moments tonight but he has been very solid in the post season. He is a freshman, I don't know what you were expecting. Dude is going to be VERY good for us.
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Agreed.
 

joe still plays great defense. which is exactly why tubby trusts him.
 

Joe's pass to Dre in the closing seconds of regulation wouldn't have been so bad if the defender hadn't been holding onto Dre's jersey.
 

To compare Joe to Dre is somewhat unfair. Dre has become the leader of the team as a freshman, which is rare. Joe is playing tough but still shows promise despite momentary lapses-- that is, Joe is playing like a freshman while Dre is not.

I'm looking forward to Joe's future.
 



Andre has become a stud player but Coleman is not going in the wrong direction. Quite the opposite. Look at the start of then year and where he is now.
 

I agree that Joe Coleman could be solid for us but I am worried that his jump shot is not good and he will really have to work on that if wants to be a force for the gophers. You can't always get all the way to the rim.
 

JSjobes24 said:
I agree that Joe Coleman could be solid for us but I am worried that his jump shot is not good and he will really have to work on that if wants to be a force for the gophers. You can't always get all the way to the rim.
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HE'S A FRESHMAN! Do you expect him to develop a deadly jumper over the weekend? Look at what Austin Hollins was able to do from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. Give the kid time.
 

MadtownGopher said:
HE'S A FRESHMAN! Do you expect him to develop a deadly jumper over the weekend? Look at what Austin Hollins was able to do from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. Give the kid time.
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Freshman can't have a jump shot? I did not say he needed to develop a jump shot over the weekend. And Austin Hollins is an awful comparison because he was regarded as a good shooter coming into college. Coleman, no. All I was saying is that for him to become a force in the upcoming off season he needs to live in the gym. At this point in your career you are pretty close to having it or not having it. Example Rodney's jump shot still off and on. He will have to put in some real work that is what I am saying.
 



A freshman is going to have to put in work over the offseason to improve? O RLY? Why are you complaining about it right now, why not wait and see how he performs at the start of next season?
 

JSjobes24 said:
I agree that Joe Coleman could be solid for us but I am worried that his jump shot is not good and he will really have to work on that if wants to be a force for the gophers. You can't always get all the way to the rim.
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You're right, he has to work on his jumper. I'm sure he will in the off-season. He'll get more comfortable next year I'm sure.
 

HE'S A FRESHMAN
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There have been a lot of great freshman scorers throughout the history of college basketball. We are almost 40 games in so these guys are like sophomores. All I was saying is that Joe has still has not developed a scoring game and that is disappointing.
 

gopherinpain said:
There have been a lot of great freshman scorers throughout the history of college basketball. We are almost 40 games in so these guys are like sophomores. All I was saying is that Joe has still has not developed a scoring game and that is disappointing.
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He is not is not a sophomore, I don't care how many extra games they've played. A sophomore has the entire offseason (spring, summer, and early fall) to work on their game. Joe can score, he proved that earlier in the year when he scored 20+.
 

Not all do, just saying. I have seen a lot of players not do it. And you changed your whole argument against me. You can do the same and wait till see how he performs at the start of next year instead of saying this kid will be very good for us. Your guess is as good as ours. Why don't you wait and see how he performs at the start of next year?
 

JSjobes24 said:
Not all do, just saying. I have seen a lot of players not do it. And you changed your whole argument against me. You can do the same and wait till see how he performs at the start of next year instead of saying this kid will be very good for us. Your guess is as good as ours. Why don't you wait and see how he performs at the start of next year?
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I'm saying he is already good for a freshman, is contributing in a big way and I'm confident he'll be a good to great player for us down the road. You are the one bitching about his shooting and all I'm saying about that is give it time.
 

First of all I am giving it time by saying he has to improve it in the off season not now. Second it called constructive criticism. I said he could be really solid for the gophers if he does this. You go to Hopkins or something? Yikes, settle down.
 

gopherinpain said:
Dre Hollins has become a stud and a leader. Without him in the second half and overtime we probably would have lost. Has played great the entire NIT run.

Joe Coleman was 2-9 and 2-4 from the FT line tonight. He missed several layups on fast breaks, open jumpers and had lapses on defense.

I bought into all the hype before the season and still have not seen any improvement in his individual offensive game.

Beat Stanford !!
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Coleman hustled all game, he was fouled hard (no call) at least a couple of times including one of those layups, and yes 2-4 FT but at least not worse. It's not clear why you think Coleman won't improve, but you're probably one of those guys who were down on Dre and Austin earlier this season too - fickle.
 

Did you not watch Dre struggle early in the year? Freshman are all up and down because almost all of them lack the mental maturity. Dre was irratic in the beginning of the year and look at how well he has settled in. Give Coleman time. This team is going to be really good the next few years, especially next year. Hollins, Hollins, Coleman, Williams and Mbakwe. With a very solid bench, we just lack a 2nd point guard to give Dre some breathers.. We will be in the top 3 next year in the B1G. Even after next year when Williams and Mbakwe leave we will still have a top-tier B1G team, remember Mo Walker was a pretty highly recruited player coming out of high school. Him and Elliot Eliason could be the next twin towers here (even though our last twin towers didn't work out so great, Iverson and Sampson)
 

Coleman has a strong basketball background filled with solid principles and sound judgment. For example, he was racing the hoop and was the only one who ended up under the basket when Hollins put up that shot with the shot clock expiring towards the very end of the game. He also had a timely play where he got the loose ball and put it in towards the end of the game. He's a smart basketball player who generally knows what to do with the ball. Also, for the most part he knows where to be on the floor. There aren't that many players who have come into Tubby's program with solid fundamentals but he's definitely one of the players who has that acumen. Certainly, he has taken his lumps this year but he's a f***ing freshman for F's sake. Earlier in the year we all lamented Hollins and said how great Coleman was coming along as a young player. Players are going to find new peaks and then dip, and then peak a bit further, etc. It seems painfully shortsighted to suggest that Coleman isn't going to work out for the Gophers. Christ, get a grip and get some perspective. Going in opposite directions?! Seriously? I don't mean to be incredulous but I just think the subject line and comment were significantly off-base.
 

gopherinpain said:
All I was saying is that Joe has still has not developed a scoring game and that is disappointing.
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He hasn't had to score much recently because Rodney and Dre are scoring about 40 points a game between them. I would argue that when he needed to score (ie, earlier in the season when Dre struggled) he showed exceptional offensive skills. Not everyone needs to be a significant offensive contributor all year.
 


thevintageeffect said:
Coleman has a strong basketball background filled with solid principles and sound judgment. For example, he was racing the hoop and was the only one who ended up under the basket when Hollins put up that shot with the shot clock expiring towards the very end of the game. He also had a timely play where he got the loose ball and put it in towards the end of the game. He's a smart basketball player who generally knows what to do with the ball. Also, for the most part he knows where to be on the floor. There aren't that many players who have come into Tubby's program with solid fundamentals but he's definitely one of the players who has that acumen. Certainly, he has taken his lumps this year but he's a f***ing freshman for F's sake. Earlier in the year we all lamented Hollins and said how great Coleman was coming along as a young player. Players are going to find new peaks and then dip, and then peak a bit further, etc. It seems painfully shortsighted to suggest that Coleman isn't going to work out for the Gophers. Christ, get a grip and get some perspective. Going in opposite directions?! Seriously? I don't mean to be incredulous but I just think the subject line and comment were significantly off-base.
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Boom!
 

MadtownGopher said:
HE'S A FRESHMAN! Do you expect him to develop a deadly jumper over the weekend? Look at what Austin Hollins was able to do from his Freshman year to his Sophomore year. Give the kid time.
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Actually I expect shooting guards to have a deadly jumper when they arrive as freshman. That's why they are called shooting guards. Because Joe has such a great inside game I say give him time to improve his jumper. After all, even with his one demensional game, he has such a great talent, he can be very effective at times. But, he must improve his shooting ability.
 

Conversation at the end of the season: Tubby - Joe, you did very well on defense, played with hustle and were good driving to the basket. You need to develop a more consistent outside shot to be successful.
Joe - Thank you Coach, I am heading to the gym right now to shoot 300 Jump shots and will do that daily until I am consistant.

That will be all that is needed as Joe is smart enough to figure this out on his own but a little prodding from the Coach never hurts.
 

But the gym was closed, so he had to said until the next day....

Badoom Ching!
 

actually for his last 7 games joe has played pretty efficent ball for a freshman. HE has shot 50% or better in 5 of last 7, 6 or more rebounds in 4 of last 7. and joe has doubled his seasonal average assists per game as of late. Fact is Joe is not going in opposite direction. THESCOUT!
 

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