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Congrats Tubby!! Good man and a good coach.
 

Agreed won a title and at least one NCAA game every year of his tenure there. Cannot say the same about his replacement. On top of that he did it clean and with class
 

I'd say if Tubby avoids 20 losses he will have done yeoman's work in his first year in Lubbock. Tech has 31 games, and Tubby didn't exactly give himself an easy nonconference slate in his first season. ... @ Alabama, @ Arizona, @ Arizona State, LSU at home, Pitt on a neutral court, and perhaps Stanford on a neutral court. If he can go 8-5 in November/December and follow it up with 5 or 6 Big XII wins, that'd be a pretty solid season for Tech, in the neighborhood of 14-17 or 13-18. Not easy, but attainable. Based on what he did here in his first season, I wouldn't bet against him.
 

SelectionSunday said:
I'd say if Tubby avoids 20 losses he will have done yeoman's work in his first year in Lubbock. Tech has 31 games, and Tubby didn't exactly give himself an easy nonconference slate in his first season. ... @ Alabama, @ Arizona, @ Arizona State, LSU at home, Pitt on a neutral court, and perhaps Stanford on a neutral court. If he can go 8-5 in November/December and follow it up with 5 or 6 Big XII wins, that'd be a pretty solid season for Tech, in the neighborhood of 14-17 or 13-18. Not easy, but attainable. Based on what he did here in his first season, I wouldn't bet against him.
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I was not aware of how bad Texas Tech has been of late. I think I saw they lost 19 game or more in four of their last five seasons, and finished ahead of only four other power conference teams (TCU, South Carolina, Mississippi State, and Auburn) in last year's RPI. They're probably in worse shape than we were when he got here. He turned us around pretty quick though, so maybe he can do the same in Lubbock.
 


Tubby's a damn good coach, he inherited a mess here, it was a bumpy road, but Tubby left the program in better shape than he inherited it. I don't think anyone can argue that. I just wish we could've seen how good that 2009-10 team could've been
 

bemidjigopher said:
he inherited a mess here,
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He inherited:
Tollackson (10.9 ppg previous year)
Coleman (13.2 ppg)
McKenzie (14.2 ppg)
Abu-Shamala
Westbrook
D. Johnson
Hoffarber
Nolen

He did a great job coaching up from 9 to 20 wins and 3 Big Ten wins to 8, but doesn't seem like that big of a mess. Take those bottom five and add his first recruiting class and they made the tourney.

It wasn't until Tubby's fourth season did one of his recruits finish in the top three on the team in scoring. Monson left some players.
 

bemidjigopher said:
Tubby's a damn good coach, he inherited a mess here, it was a bumpy road, but Tubby left the program in better shape than he inherited it. I don't think anyone can argue that. I just wish we could've seen how good that 2009-10 team could've been
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Agree ^^^^^
 




bemidjigopher said:
Tubby's a damn good coach, he inherited a mess here, it was a bumpy road, but Tubby left the program in better shape than he inherited it. I don't think anyone can argue that. I just wish we could've seen how good that 2009-10 team could've been
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+1
 






Maximus said:
He inherited:
Tollackson (10.9 ppg previous year)
Coleman (13.2 ppg)
McKenzie (14.2 ppg)
Abu-Shamala
Westbrook
D. Johnson
Hoffarber
Nolen

...doesn't seem like that big of a mess.
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Yep, Smith was given a tremendous amount to work with upon his arrival in Minneapolis.

VERY different circumstances at Texas Tech. Disaster. Going to be UGLY.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Yep, Smith was given a tremendous amount to work with upon his arrival in Minneapolis.

VERY different circumstances at Texas Tech. Disaster. Going to be UGLY.
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From what I can tell, going by winning percentage, we were coming off our worst season in about 70 years, a 9-22 record. Texas Tech actually went 11-20 last year, but seems to have been hovering around that area for longer. The 2006-07 Gophers finished 190 in the RPI, compared to 217 for last season's Red Raiders. Texas Tech also only graduates one player from last year's team, a guard a who averaged 2.5 points in less than 15 minutes per game, meaning they return their eight leading scorers.

I'm not even entirely sure where I'm going with this argument anymore, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that while Texas Tech seems to be in worse shape now than Minnesota was when Tubby arrived, calling a team that won fewer than 10 games the previous season a tremendous amount to work with seems like a bit of an overstatement, unless you're saying that Monson/Molinari left a decent roster in terms of talent and Tubby was simply able to coach more wins out of them.
 

Don't think you've got your stats right in returners for TT, but....

Gophers were a unique case study that year. Mid-season departure of HC; ugly collapse; I think they finished the year w/2 wins in their last 16; Limar Wilson, Kevin Payton w/big mins... Ooofta.

Can't compare that Minnesota team with typical college basketball seasons very well.

At any rate, Tubby had several seniors & a lot of talent on his first roster in Minnesota. He'll be brutal at TT.
 

Yeah I think the roster listed on ESPN might be wrong. ESPN's 2013-14 Texas Tech roster seems to have all the same players listed on the 2012-13 Texas Tech statistics page, including players who are listed there as freshmen for the 2013-14 season, but played last season, so you're probably right, I might have been completely off on that.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Don't think you've got your stats right in returners for TT, but....

Gophers were a unique case study that year. Mid-season departure of HC; ugly collapse; I think they finished the year w/2 wins in their last 16; Limar Wilson, Kevin Payton w/big mins... Ooofta.

Can't compare that Minnesota team with typical college basketball seasons very well.

At any rate, Tubby had several seniors & a lot of talent on his first roster in Minnesota. He'll be brutal at TT.
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You keep saying this. How much do you know about TT basketball? I don't know much either but do not count them as the worst CB team like you are doing here. Their front court is very solid. They have a shooter like BH. They have 3 very good PGs coming in with great work ethics. The 4th PG just finished an international competition and is a great player. Even the least optimistic people are predicting TT to finish 6th in Big12 so I am not sure why you keep saying this????

Go Gophers
 

The-Real-Truth said:
Even the least optimistic people are predicting TT to finish 6th in Big12
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Can you link those 6th place predictions? I just googled it. Here's all I could find (and, remember the Big 12 only has ten teams, so most of these have the Red Raiders projected last or 2nd to last):

This one predicts a 9th place TT finish

Another 9th place TT projection

Here's a 10th place TT prediction

Another 9th place TT projection.

I'm not saying these 6th place projections don't exist, I just can't readily find them. You've indicated most people (even the most pessimistic people) have TT ranked no worse than 6th. Can you link those?
 

tjgopher said:
Can you link those 6th place predictions? I just googled it. Here's all I could find (and, remember the Big 12 only has ten teams, so most of these have the Red Raiders projected last or 2nd to last):

This one predicts a 9th place TT finish

Another 9th place TT projection

Here's a 10th place TT prediction

Another 9th place TT projection.

I'm not saying these 6th place projections don't exist, I just can't readily find them. You've indicated most people (even the most pessimistic people) have TT ranked no worse than 6th. Can you link those?
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http://www.doublet1043.com/content/...-Early-Look-Ahead/xZIxP5imy0y7U4MM8ketbQ.cspx

I am not sure how good these guys are but I was able to find what I had read before that is very rare with me since I read so much crap.

Go Gophers
 

The-Real-Truth said:
I am not sure how good these guys are but I was able to find what I had read before that is very rare with me since I read so much crap.
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Ah, so when you said, "Even the least optimistic people are predicting TT to finish 6th in Big12" you meant the "homers who have Texas Tech (radio station is called "Double T") in their name"..

To be clear, I'm not just talking about this coming year (which will be putrid) but Tubby's tenure in Lubbock. Really, really bad.

Obviously this is just my prediction/projection, but I feel strongly (confident) about it. There are many reasons for it. We shall see.
 


tjgopher said:
So, you are providing an article written by a recent Texas Tech grad on the Texas Tech flagship radio station's Webpage as your evidence that even the "least optimistic people" are predicting a 6th place finish?
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I did say that I didn't know how good my source was didn't I? Like everything in life, only time can tell who is right and who isn't. By the way, I value the opinion of a recent college grad a lot more than those biased reporters these days if it doesn't sound ironic. I mean reporters say anything to make money right or wrong.

Go Gophers
 

The-Real-Truth said:
I did say that I didn't know how good my source was didn't I? Like everything in life, only time can tell who is right and who isn't. By the way, I value the opinion of a recent college grad a lot more than those biased reporters these days if it doesn't sound ironic. I mean reporters say anything to make money right or wrong.

Go Gophers
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Well, that's fine. I was just struck by your initial post asking GW where he was getting this idea that TT was going to be bad. You seemed to suggest he was crazy and based your response off of "even the least optimistic people" are predicting 6th place. Then, it turns out the "least optimistic people" is actually one guy who is a TT homer. It appears to me that GW is on the same page with most people who predict these things for a living. And, that is that TT is not going to be very good and will be quite lucky to finish 6th.

I've always thoughtly highly of Tubby and what he stands for, but I have a feeling that GW is correct about this. I think it could get ugly for Tubby in Lubbock. I do hope he does well there, but like GW, for various reasons I don't think it will be pretty.
 

Maximus said:
He inherited:
Tollackson (10.9 ppg previous year)
Coleman (13.2 ppg)
McKenzie (14.2 ppg)
Abu-Shamala
Westbrook
D. Johnson
Hoffarber
Nolen

He did a great job coaching up from 9 to 20 wins and 3 Big Ten wins to 8, but doesn't seem like that big of a mess. Take those bottom five and add his first recruiting class and they made the tourney. It wasn't until Tubby's fourth season did one of his recruits finish in the top three on the team in scoring. Monson left some players.
Lets be honest though Johnson, Westbrook and Abu were nothing to write home about until Tubby got here and Nolan and Hoff played every single one of their college games for Smith, I would say they're more his players than Monson's. IMO if Monson had stayed I think Nolan would've gone the way of Limar Wilson. Nolan's defensive abilities we're perfect for Tubby's system. If 9 wins isn't a mess I don't know what is?
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tjgopher said:
Well, that's fine. I was just struck by your initial post asking GW where he was getting this idea that TT was going to be bad. You seemed to suggest he was crazy and based your response off of "even the least optimistic people" are predicting 6th place. Then, it turns out the "least optimistic people" is actually one guy who is a TT homer. It appears to me that GW is on the same page with most people who predict these things for a living. And, that is that TT is not going to be very good and will be quite lucky to finish 6th.

I've always thoughtly highly of Tubby and what he stands for, but I have a feeling that GW is correct about this. I think it could get ugly for Tubby in Lubbock. I do hope he does well there, but like GW, for various reasons I don't think it will be pretty.
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I stand by least optimistic people comment. Poeple in Lubbock are very down at the moment. The reason that I think GW is wrong is the fact that I know what Tubby is capable of doing. GW's opinion is based on the last 3 years of Tubby here. Mine goeas back 20 years or so. Tubby made many mistakes here. One of them was the selection of his assitants. He has done a great job of putting together a fantastic staff. Almost all of them have Texas ties. There are so many good players in Texas. He is about to bring his 1st 2014 player from KY also. This kid's dad played at UK when Tubby was an assistant so they do have good ties. In that HS, there is a great G that wants to play with this kid. If all goes well, TT has 2 very solid kids for 2014. Like I said ealier, I am speculating here just like everybody else. Only time will tell.

Go Gophers
 

The-Real-Truth said:
The reason that I think GW is wrong is the fact that I know what Tubby is capable of doing. GW's opinion is based on the last 3 years of Tubby here. Mine goeas back 20 years or so.
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Oh no.. my opinion is most certainly not based on the last 3 years.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
I did say that I didn't know how good my source was didn't I? Like everything in life, only time can tell who is right and who isn't. By the way, I value the opinion of a recent college grad a lot more than those biased reporters these days if it doesn't sound ironic. I mean reporters say anything to make money right or wrong.

Go Gophers
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Yeah, and you also said "the least optimistic people." How does this site count as "the least optimistic people?" Did you just make that up to sound more convincing? You also say you don't trust reporters because they're biased, but you do trust a recent TT grad working for a TT fan site? How does that work?

Also, how do you determine that "they have 3 very good PGs coming in with great work ethics?" How do you know this? The only one of them that I see any sort of ranking for is a 2-star with a grade of 66 on ESPN. One thing I've noticed about you (not just from this thread) is that you regularly make things up to fit your agenda and rarely say things that actually make sense.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Yeah, and you also said "the least optimistic people." How does this site count as "the least optimistic people?" Did you just make that up to sound more convincing? You also say you don't trust reporters because they're biased, but you do trust a recent TT grad working for a TT fan site? How does that work?

Also, how do you determine that "they have 3 very good PGs coming in with great work ethics?" How do you know this? The only one of them that I see any sort of ranking for is a 2-star with a grade of 66 on ESPN. One thing I've noticed about you (not just from this thread) is that you regularly make things up to fit your agenda and rarely say things that actually make sense.
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Thanks, as far as I remember I was on your ignor list. What happened? I said Ironicly. That TT grad is biased also but less than today's reporters. Like Dr. Don has said many times my BS is not any wosre than anybody's on this site. I say things based on what I read just like everybody here. For sure I state things that would support my arguments but I am not sure when I have made things up???? For example, I said that TT had the toughest schedule in Big12. Soon SS asked me for a fact sheet. I didn't have one becasue I had read it somewhere that I could not remember.

Go Gophers
 

This thread has turned into a Tubby/Texas Tech thread, as opposed to a Tubby/UK HOF thread as it was originally intended. Any additional Tubby/Texas Tech analysis will be removed from this thread. Thank you.
 

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