Tubby Extended through 2016-17

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Injuries are not the coach's fault - but the transfers are a different story. I have a hard time believing that everyone who transferred out of this program is either disgruntled, a head case, a dope fiend, or some of the other excuses the Tubby supporters have thrown out there.

Tubby has to be willing to take a hard look at himself, his coaching methods, and his staff, and be willing to make changes in order to produce results.

After all, this is a "former National Championship-winning coach," not Joe Shmoe. When you hire a name coach, you have a right to expect results - not 0 NCAA tournament victories.
 

Part of the reason I'm willing to give Tubby more time is because he hasn't fielded a full squad, specifically referring to all key players being on the court, since his 2nd season here. Year 3 was Royce & Trevor, Year 4 was Devoe leaving and Nolen's foot, Year 5 was Trev's knee. These aren't just solid guys here, these are crucial components to success, so losing them was going to kill. In basketball, a couple good players can be the difference between a tourney run, and not even being in the tourney, as we all saw.

Every team goes through injuries, suspensions, etc. But I think anyone would struggle to find a coach in America who has gone through the issues and injuries Tubby has had to over the last three seasons, and plenty of that is of not fault of his own. He has his part in this, but you just can't ignore the crap that has gone on that he can't control.

I just want a full year where he at least gets to use his key players all season for once. That'd be nice.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
Injuries are not the coach's fault - but the transfers are a different story. I have a hard time believing that everyone who transferred out of this program is either disgruntled, a head case, a dope fiend, or some of the other excuses the Tubby supporters have thrown out there.
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It's not all or nothing. Some transfers can have reasonable explanations while others can be concerning. All indications point to Royce transferring b/c of the hem/haw approach from Maturi. Devoe left after being suspended for a 2nd time for "an unspecified violation of team rules" (which in college sports almost always means drug test). Iverson leaving strikes me as a bit more concerning and there don't seem to be any circumstances that explain it.

EDIT: Didn't mean to ignore Cobbs. It certainly appears that he might have had issues with Tubby's system and I'd argue that at least some of that has to fall on Tubby.
 

MadtownGopher said:
I've been pushing for this for years. It would do wonders for the forum. Way too many repetitive threads.
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The feedback we get on this is split 50/50. Some say that threads get too long (for example the "All Things" recruiting thread) where they will just start a new thread because they don't want to sort through the long thread. We try to offer a mix of both, but since we get such conflicting feedback, it's hard to please everyone.
 


scools12 said:
They might surprise and be top 4 conference team but the more reasonable expectation would be Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio State and Wisconsin all finising higher in conference.

Minnesota can be lumped in the next tier after that with Purdue, Illinois, Iowa and Northwestern.
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Lol at Michigan and Wisconsin and Northwestern?
 


Gopher Warrior said:
Still no contract.
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Expanding on the post, per Marcus:

"Even though the deal was announced Monday, Smith still hasn't signed it. The contract should be finalized this week, University of Minnesota general counsel Mark Rotenberg told the Pioneer Press on Tuesday, and include "some enhancements to his package."

I have no idea why we'd announce a contract that wasn't signed yet, let alone on a day when the news was absolutely buried by the Penn State news. We waited two years to announce it, why not wait until it's signed and on a slower news day, although not a huge deal.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci...y-smith-hurried-contract-extension-along-help

Go Gophers!!
 




BleedGopher said:
Expanding on the post, per Marcus:

"Even though the deal was announced Monday, Smith still hasn't signed it. The contract should be finalized this week, University of Minnesota general counsel Mark Rotenberg told the Pioneer Press on Tuesday, and include "some enhancements to his package."

I have no idea why we'd announce a contract that wasn't signed yet, let alone on a day when the news was absolutely buried by the Penn State news. We waited two years to announce it, why not wait until it's signed and on a slower news day, although not a huge deal.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci...y-smith-hurried-contract-extension-along-help

Go Gophers!!
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Hate to think the big national news stories had any influence on the timing of the U's release, but if that's the case Smith's bargaining power just grew even stronger than it already was.

Some have reported that Smith's pay won't change and have used an amount of $1.75 million / year, but that will prove to be inaccurate (and the $1.75 million isn't close). The U will have to truly finalize (all) things with Tubby soon, though.

The Maurice Walker update piqued my interest more than anything. A broken foot in March, surgery in May? Say what?!
 

BleedGopher said:
Expanding on the post, per Marcus:

"Even though the deal was announced Monday, Smith still hasn't signed it. The contract should be finalized this week, University of Minnesota general counsel Mark Rotenberg told the Pioneer Press on Tuesday, and include "some enhancements to his package."

I have no idea why we'd announce a contract that wasn't signed yet, let alone on a day when the news was absolutely buried by the Penn State news. We waited two years to announce it, why not wait until it's signed and on a slower news day, although not a huge deal.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci...y-smith-hurried-contract-extension-along-help

Go Gophers!!
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Two years negotiating a contract extension is not about crossing t's and doting i's.

At least one of the sides had to makes serious concessions.

I wonder who and what.
 


Perhaps Teague will follow the Maturi SOP and fire Tubby as soon as the ink is dry on the paper?
 



station19 said:
Two years negotiating a contract extension is not about crossing t's and doting i's.

At least one of the sides had to makes serious concessions.

I wonder who and what.
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Tubby had the talk with LSU in April. If I remember correctly, Trevor announced his coming back for another season right after Tubby officially “turned down” the offer from LSU, the timing of which very likely indicates the seriousness of the offer. Therefore, whatever offered by LSU would serve as the market value of Tubby right now.

I am sure that we, at min, have had to match the offer overall, not limited to the financial package, for the extension. Had the OSU offer better than our extension offer by only so much as to justify the move and save his face, Tubby would have bolted -- I wouldn’t blame him for it since it is not a good situation here for a coach of his status, to put it mildly. He did not take it; so, the market value of Tubby obviously was not much higher than our extension offer. I seriously doubt that there is any reason for the U to make major concessions under the circumstances.

Negotiation is not about imposing our will. In terms of financial package and exit terms including buy-out, negotiation must be equitable with respect to leverage. We did not have much leverage (even if including Flip as a credible threat to replace Tubby right now). Tubby didn’t have enough of it, either, so as to impose his will. Yet, the prospect of the next season might have given him a little better position to negotiate.

Overall, I am guessing that the extension terms should be in accord with Tubby’s market value, moderate at best as of now.
 

GoFerit said:
Tubby had the talk with LSU in April. If I remember correctly, Trevor announced his coming back for another season right after Tubby officially “turned down” the offer from LSU, the timing of which very likely indicates the seriousness of the offer. Therefore, whatever offered by LSU would serve as the market value of Tubby right now.

I am sure that we, at min, have had to match the offer overall, not limited to the financial package, for the extension. Had the OSU offer better than our extension offer by only so much as to justify the move and save his face, Tubby would have bolted -- I wouldn’t blame him for it since it is not a good situation here for a coach of his status, to put it mildly. He did not take it; so, the market value of Tubby obviously was not much higher than our extension offer. I seriously doubt that there is any reason for the U to make major concessions under the circumstances.

Negotiation is not about imposing our will. In terms of financial package and exit terms including buy-out, negotiation must be equitable with respect to leverage. We did not have much leverage (even if including Flip as a credible threat to replace Tubby right now). Tubby didn’t have enough of it, either, so as to impose his will. Yet, the prospect of the next season might have given him a little better position to negotiate.

Overall, I am guessing that the extension terms should be in accord with Tubby’s market value, moderate at best as of now.
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So you're saying it took two years to determine Tubby's market value?
 

station19 said:
So you're saying it took two years to determine Tubby's market value?
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The market value of a coach depends on performance. Tubby's market value now should be and is quite different from that of two years ago. Rather, it took two years for Tubby to get realistic about the extension terms based on his performance.

Two to three years ago, Tubby was talking about 3 million dollars per year. I am sure that Tubby did not think he could get the whole amount. Nonetheless, he was talking as if that were the offer amount from elsewhere. The U was not about to give it to him. A huge gap between the two parties. No extension consequently.

Since then, Tubby’s performance has slipped to the point that he should be happy with significantly less than 3 million dollars per year. The LSU offer was the latest market value which I am sure is far less than what he commanded two years ago (which I suspect would be less than 3 million dollars anyway). He could have gotten much better terms if he had accepted the offer from the U two years ago.
 

scools12 said:
They might surprise and be top 4 conference team but the more reasonable expectation would be Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio State and Wisconsin all finising higher in conference.

Minnesota can be lumped in the next tier after that with Purdue, Illinois, Iowa and Northwestern.
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No. I'm not a Minnesota fan, but I looking at the teams on paper I feel the Gophers should be in the top-6 along with Indiana, Michigan, MSU, Wisky and OSU. All of those top-6 teams I think have potential to make the Sweet 16 this upcoming season. After that top-6 is where the drop-off is to teams like Iowa and Northwestern - both of which are NCAA tourney bubble teams. Then behind them Purdue, PSU and Illinois have some talent but I see as having the NIT as their best-case scenario this year. Nebraska will not make the postseason and is an easy pick for #12.

But as far as Tubby goes, he is a good coach who has done a good job coaching the Gophers but has had some really bad luck with injuries. He may not help Minnesota get back to the Final Four, but he's done about as well as a coach can considering the problems he has had to deal with. I have a hard time of thinking of coaches who would accept the head coach position at Minnesota that are capable of making the Gopher program a national powerhouse with the current problems in terms of facilities. Keeping Tubby is good. The next step is upgrading the facilities, and then once Tubby retires hire a young/energetic coach who can recruit and take advantage of what Minnesota has to offer.
 

GoFerit said:
The market value of a coach depends on performance. Tubby's market value now should be and is quite different from that of two years ago. Rather, it took two years for Tubby to get realistic about the extension terms based on his performance.

Two to three years ago, Tubby was talking about 3 million dollars per year. I am sure that Tubby did not think he could get the whole amount. Nonetheless, he was talking as if that were the offer amount from elsewhere. The U was not about to give it to him. A huge gap between the two parties. No extension consequently.

Since then, Tubby’s performance has slipped to the point that he should be happy with significantly less than 3 million dollars per year. The LSU offer was the latest market value which I am sure is far less than what he commanded two years ago (which I suspect would be less than 3 million dollars anyway). He could have gotten much better terms if he had accepted the offer from the U two years ago.
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Sounds like he had to make some concessions.
 

Post-Bulletin columnists crush Tubby:

"Lost in the Wolves' big week has been the three-year contract extension of Tubby Smith. I like Tubby a lot as a guy, and on the defensive end of the court as a coach. But offensively, he's a mess of a coach. Gophers teams dribble until the shot clock is about to expire, then fling something in the general vicinity of the basket. It's always a panic. Did new Gophers AD Norwood Teague panic by extending Tubby?

BOESE: I knew you were going to ruin my day by bringing Tubby into this. I would have been happier if they would have fired him.

The Gophers haven't finish better than sixth in the Big Ten since he was hired five years ago, and they have yet to win a game in the Big Dance. Three of his top recruits had big years playing elsewhere in 2011-12. Worst of all, it irritates me that he throws his senior leaders under the
bus every season.

The talent will be there this winter. How soon do the howls begin if Tubby's team struggles again?

RUFF: Finally, there is real pressure on Tubby to win. The strong consensus — not just from Gophers rubes — but nationally, is that this team can contend with the big boys. A number of publications have them ranked in the pre-season top 25. Excuses have always followed Tubby when the wins haven't flowed (injuries, defections). But there is enough talent and depth on this roster now that nobody will let him off the hook this time.

We're about to find out if he can really coach. I'm fearing a sixth-place Big Ten finish, and then the certain sight of more bodies under that bus."

http://www.postbulletin.com/news/stories/display.php?id=1503860

Go Gophers!!
 

^^ I don't know what Post-Bulletin is, but they can rest easy for now. As far as I can tell, there is no three-year contract extension.

The consensus will likely be a sixth-place Big Ten finish. They can do better than that (also can do worse). Bigger issue is post 2012-13.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
^^ I don't know what Post-Bulletin is, but they can rest easy for now. As far as I can tell, there is no three-year contract extension.
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They've publicly announced the extension, so I'd say it's going to happen. I guess you could say they've already plead 'no contest' to it, so they're guilty.
 

J.B is just trying to save face since the announcement cameout the sameday he wrote that McCaffery column. It's weird to have a pre announcement, but at the sametime I don't think they would announce an extention if it wasn't a sure thing
 

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