Trump wants to change/limit NIL.

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Bob_Loblaw said:
What does this have to do with NIL and potential NIL standards?
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You have yet to articulate any standards where SCOTUS has not already struck down those proposed standards. Explain it to us in plain English Bob, What standards do you think will not violate Alston? So far, most of the things you suggest would violate that ruling.
 

One, there is no more chaos in the NIL than in any other area of life. If the NIL in an unrestricted form topples MIchigan and Alabama off their perennial perch, oops. I'll cheer. If it doesn't, then the natural order of the NCAA is unmeritoriously preserved. A little chaos in the system would be a benefit to other schools wanting to compete. They should welcome disruption of the existing order. I certainly would welcome Minnesota rising in the pecking order with our combined wealth. Disruption is normal and natural in competitive industries. In fact, the lack of disruption shows us when a system is not competitive. Right now, there is a calcified and entrenched set of schools at the top begging all other schools to not disrupt their primacy. Why would any Minnesota fan or alum want to maintain the status quo? I don't. I want to disrupt it to our advantage. I think Minnesota has an alumni base and marketing potential that is significantly larger than most financially. Setting rules on Minnesotans shouldn't go over well as we pull out our donations. In fact, it would be counterproductive in every sense.
 

He needs to worry about our economy and get that right instead of worry about these kid's.

Focus on the damn White House!
 



GopherGrit said:
I think a big aspect of the House settlement that isn't getting as much attention is that all NIL deals (third party or anything) will have to pass through and be approved by a clearinghouse organization, going forward.

Meaning … the athlete needs to actually perform legitimate actions and/or there needs to be a legitimate business use of the athlete's NIL taking place. Not simply "here's a bag of cash, and that's legal now because it's 'NIL'".
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The reason to have it pass through a clearinghouse probably has almost nothing to do with assuring athletes are being compensated at market rate for the endorsement work/ NIL licensing work they are supposedly doing. It would be nearly impossible to establish FMV for this, and even harder to police.

The reason to have it pass through a clearinghouse is to make sure the deals being “presented” to athletes are real. Because as it is right now, most are not.
 

dbrad29 said:
He needs to worry about our economy and get that right instead of worry about these kid's.

Focus on the damn White House!
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I actually agree with you but the guys just a GOAT at making a deal that’s good for both sides.
 

ShushPush said:
You have yet to articulate any standards where SCOTUS has not already struck down those proposed standards. Explain it to us in plain English Bob, What standards do you think will not violate Alston? So far, most of the things you suggest would violate that ruling.
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I've said this countless times, it's been the same standard for 135 years - reasonableness.

Long before you littered this board with your wall of nonsense, I've been saying that none of the NCAA's rules would be upheld under the Sherman Act. None of them. I discussed how it's a real possibility in the next 5 years that a player like Luka Garza will return to college basketball and make $5 million per year, that the 4/5 year limit will be dissolved, etc. In no way shape or form do I believe the NCAA stands a chance to unreasonably limit free trade with respect to players moving.

Now, that does not mean there are no limits to free trade. The Sherman Act only protects against undue restraints on trade. There are non-solicit agreements, non-compete agreements, contractual limits. Those cannot be put into place right now because of Title IX. Universities and NIL organizations cannot freely contract because they exist under the rubric of Title IX.

All of my suggestions have been promoting a freer market - eliminating Title IX for NCAA revenue sports - so that the players and the schools and collectives are MORE free to contract.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
- so that the players and the schools and collectives are MORE free to contract.
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I know you mean pronunciation for "contract" as in "legal contract" but if you take the other way to pronounce it, "contract" like the Twins almost did in 2002, it's almost ironic as I think that might happen. This whole thing is so messy fans might lose interest (for the first time in forever, I'm more interested in the upcoming NFL season than college).
 




GopherGrit said:
Would you be OK with the Exec Order if it said something as simple as "Student-athletes at NCAA member institutions have the right to collectively bargain with the NCAA for revenue sharing and similar benefits, without being required to be employees of the schools" and left it at that?

Then the athletes could bargain the amount of the cap, without it being mandated?
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No F'ckg Way! What does the mis-use of an Executive order have to do with this issue? Trump has no idea about what is going on, he just had someone bend his ear about it. Just like everything, his ideas are based upon who was the last person to talk to him.

It is really fairly simple, get the power conferences together to set the rules to give a more even playing field. Then enforce the rules. Period!
 

In an appearance on Fox News Channel last year, Saban urged Congress to step in and make NIL "equal across the board."

"And I think that should still exist for all players, but not just a pay-for-play system like we have now where whoever raises the most money in their collective can pay the most for the players, which is not a level playing field. I think in any competitive venue, you want to have some guidelines that gives everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance to be successful," he said.

It appears that Saban's heart is in the right place. This is an extremely complicated issue and the NCAA basically dropped the ball years ago to the point that it is today. Its not an equal opportunity. But there never was an effective and fair way to administer how we take care of college student/athletes. Now we have chaos.

One thing won't change. The athletes will continue to be paid above and beyond their scholarship.

Pro sports has a system(s) that seem to work. Its time we look at that.
 

Bayfield Gopher said:
In an appearance on Fox News Channel last year, Saban urged Congress to step in and make NIL "equal across the board."

"And I think that should still exist for all players, but not just a pay-for-play system like we have now where whoever raises the most money in their collective can pay the most for the players, which is not a level playing field. I think in any competitive venue, you want to have some guidelines that gives everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance to be successful," he said.

It appears that Saban's heart is in the right place. This is an extremely complicated issue and the NCAA basically dropped the ball years ago to the point that it is today. Its not an equal opportunity. But there never was an effective and fair way to administer how we take care of college student/athletes. Now we have chaos.

One thing won't change. The athletes will continue to be paid above and beyond their scholarship.

Pro sports has a system(s) that seem to work. Its time we look at that.
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College football has never had anything remotely resembling a level playing field. People need to stop with that talk.
 

Two things in this case are true:

1) Saban is right that the system needs to be reformed.

2) he is the way wrong messenger and I don't for a second think he wants any of this for "competitive balance".
 

Alum and season ticket holder for approaching 40 years so I bleed maroon and gold. However, I fail to see the connection between the mission of the University of Minnesota and college football. Nil appears to make the connection even more tenuous. I support dropping to D3, no scholarships for athletics, no Saban sized coaches salaries, let pros be pros …in professional leagues. https://regents.umn.edu/sites/regents.umn.edu/files/2024-05/policy_mission_statement.pdf
 

corcorangopher said:
Alum and season ticket holder for approaching 40 years so I bleed maroon and gold. However, I fail to see the connection between the mission of the University of Minnesota and college football. Nil appears to make the connection even more tenuous. I support dropping to D3, no scholarships for athletics, no Saban sized coaches salaries, let pros be pros …in professional leagues. https://regents.umn.edu/sites/regents.umn.edu/f
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Makes sense to me..
 

Bayfield Gopher said:
In an appearance on Fox News Channel last year, Saban urged Congress to step in and make NIL "equal across the board."

"And I think that should still exist for all players, but not just a pay-for-play system like we have now where whoever raises the most money in their collective can pay the most for the players, which is not a level playing field. I think in any competitive venue, you want to have some guidelines that gives everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance to be successful," he said.

It appears that Saban's heart is in the right place. This is an extremely complicated issue and the NCAA basically dropped the ball years ago to the point that it is today. Its not an equal opportunity. But there never was an effective and fair way to administer how we take care of college student/athletes. Now we have chaos.

One thing won't change. The athletes will continue to be paid above and beyond their scholarship.

Pro sports has a system(s) that seem to work. Its time we look at that.
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Yes and no, IMHO. He was the benefactor of a different kind of unequal system. I believe when he saw that was going to change, he saw it as a good time to exit.
 

I've already said my part on the presidential overreach but I do think getting to a salary cap system would be great for college football engagement and money making.

I strongly disagree with the notion that everyone wants to see the same 5-10 juggernaut schools play for titles each year, and that the secret sauce of North American pro sports has been a competitive balance that other global leagues and NCAA sports struggle with. It keeps fans of 30-50 schools engaged all year instead of 5-10.
 

Bayfield Gopher said:
In an appearance on Fox News Channel last year, Saban urged Congress to step in and make NIL "equal across the board."

"And I think that should still exist for all players, but not just a pay-for-play system like we have now where whoever raises the most money in their collective can pay the most for the players, which is not a level playing field. I think in any competitive venue, you want to have some guidelines that gives everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance to be successful," he said.

It appears that Saban's heart is in the right place. This is an extremely complicated issue and the NCAA basically dropped the ball years ago to the point that it is today. Its not an equal opportunity. But there never was an effective and fair way to administer how we take care of college student/athletes. Now we have chaos.

One thing won't change. The athletes will continue to be paid above and beyond their scholarship.

Pro sports has a system(s) that seem to work. Its time we look at that.
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It is funny how Saban now speaks up about fairness when other teams can buy recruits away from his mighty Alabama. He use to get his pick of all the recruits without much competition, but now he has a revelation about what is best for the college athletes. Coming from a school that use to over recruit and push out players when they got a better one... etc..
 

ShushPush said:
Gopherphilia, his first term was a disaster in management of a disease. I am hopeful this second term will show a different, a more experienced approach to governance. I am very pleased with some things he has already done and absolutely mortified by others. Fortunately, the mortifications have been few and generally inconsequential. BTW, philia would be the proper way to express love of gophers. Phil is just some dudes name.
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You mean the disease Fauci, WEF, and China unleashed on the world to force everyone to give up their rights (for safety) of others due to vaccines which are proven to cause more harm and kill than the virus itself. But yes DJT fault of course. When you see a sheep’s pasture I’m sure you see family
 

GopherFanatic19 said:
You mean the disease Fauci, WEF, and China unleashed on the world to force everyone to give up their rights (for safety) of others due to vaccines which are proven to cause more harm and kill than the virus itself. But yes DJT fault of course. When you see a sheep’s pasture I’m sure you see family
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You have no right to spread a deadly disease, just like you don't have a right to put a slug in someone as "target practice."
 

ShushPush said:
You have no right to spread a deadly disease, just like you don't have a right to put a slug in someone as "target practice."
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As a medical lab scientist, I might add that the vaccine was not deadlier or cause more problems for the patients who received it. That is the most garbage post I have seen in the last couple of years since the data overwhelmingly suggests otherwise.
 

GopherFanatic19 said:
You mean the disease Fauci, WEF, and China unleashed on the world to force everyone to give up their rights (for safety) of others due to vaccines which are proven to cause more harm and kill than the virus itself. But yes DJT fault of course. When you see a sheep’s pasture I’m sure you see family
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Saban can go sit on a fencepost. The "system" was just fine for him when his bagmen didn't have competition.
 
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