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[c'monman]

Clearly, if they will not be there for even 4 years, get something out of them right away. They don't need to be a starter, but if they can help change the outcome of even one game it is well worth it. Gjere I don't feel is this type of player, but obviously some are....

true....the gophers just don't land those type of recruits though.

 

[c'monman]

Exactly! Or, more specifically, if he's able to redshirt HIGHLY RECRUITED O-linemen, that indicates the upper classmen are doing alright.

I take this as nothing but a good sign myself.

or it means he is is weak and our horrible o-line play continues this year because there are no better options

 

[GoAUpher]

Clearly, if they will not be there for even 4 years, get something out of them right away. They don't need to be a starter, but if they can help change the outcome of even one game it is well worth it. Gjere I don't feel is this type of player, but obviously some are....

I think this makes sense to a point. All i'm trying to say is that those types of players are much more rare and I don't see the need for a wholesale change in RS philosophy (nor are we seeing one in practice by coaches) b/c of that fact.

 

[SonOfTheVarsity]

do you know a guy by the name of adrian peterson? But I guess that really does not apply to gopher football since we do not recruit talent like that.

Or how about we look at the Badgers o-line, which is the best in the conference. Gabe Carimi: Redshirted. John Moffitt: Redshirted. Josh Oglesby: Redshirted. But let's make a completely unreasonable comparison to Adrian Peterson instead.

And by the way, in doing a bit of researching of the Wisconsin o-line, I saw that sophomore Travis Frederick was the first o-lineman in Badger history to start a season opener as a true freshmen. The first. And seeing as to how he only played 5 games, I'm guessing it was more of a necessity rather than a coach's decision.

 

[positively4thstreet]

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[GoAUpher]

or it means he is is weak and our horrible o-line play continues this year because there are no better options

Fine opinion, but as I pointed out in my original response, this article does nothing to bolster either of your points. All it says is that Brew doesn't play true frosh linemen b/c he thinks they should spend another year in the strength program (a view that is held by basically every coach in the country).

I await another apple to oranges comparison that has no bearing on your original BS post that you pull out to dazzle and amaze us all.

 

[c'monman]

Or how about we look at the Badgers o-line, which is the best in the conference. Gabe Carimi: Redshirted. John Moffitt: Redshirted. Josh Oglesby: Redshirted. But let's make a completely unreasonable comparison to Adrian Peterson instead.

And by the way, in doing a bit of researching of the Wisconsin o-line, I saw that sophomore Travis Frederick was the first o-lineman in Badger history to start a season opener as a true freshmen. The first. And seeing as to how he only played 5 games, I'm guessing it was more of a necessity rather than a coach's decision.

the premise of my argument was not if O-Lineman will contribute right away. Rather, can they contribute right away. I apologize for your inability to "read between the lines"

 

[GoAUpher]

the premise of my argument was not if O-Lineman will contribute right away. Rather, can they contribute right away. I apologize for your inability to "read between the lines"

Where was this premise offered again? Was it in your basically nonexistent first post that linked to an article that does nothing to support this premise? Or was it when you talked about a skill position player? I'm looking at your posts in this thread a not until just now have you made this assertion. Are you under the impression that the thoughts bouncing around your head or the words you speak to yourself appear on our computer screens?

 

[c'monman]

Where was this premise offered again? Was it in your basically nonexistent first post that linked to an article that does nothing to support this premise? Or was it when you talked about a skill position player? I'm looking at your posts in this thread a not until just now have you made this assertion. Are you under the impression that the thoughts bouncing around your head or the words you speak to yourself appear on our computer screens?

The premise was based upon Shnoodlers post at 9:55 AM ....get a clue.

 

[gophmeister]

the premise of my argument was not if O-Lineman will contribute right away. Rather, can they contribute right away. I apologize for your inability to "read between the lines"

You should apologize for yourself for being a$$hole too.

 

[GoAUpher]

The premise was based upon Shnoodlers post at 9:55 AM ....get a clue.

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So what you're saying is that the premise of your argument that a true freshman offensive lineman can contribute right away is based upon the example of a skill player (and not just any skill player, a player so skilled that he is currently one of the most productive backs in the NFL)? Explain to me again how this supports the assertion that an O-lineman can start as a true redshirt frosh. An important note...I'm not trying to say that no frosh could ever start on the OL...I'm just saying your logic is full of fail. I'm also trying to point out that this premise you raise isn't tied in any logical way to the assertion made in your OP.

Yes, as I said, we are all dazzled by the nifty logical two step you are offering us. Dancing With The Stars level material here.

A tip. When trying to slam the offensive line with a link to the article, make sure it actually backs up your putdown. And then when you want to change the topic to an argument about whether true freshman O Lineman are capable of contributing, try to find an example that includes a true freshman offensive lineman (something that another poster was able to accomplish with a simple Google search).

 

[bassy123]

do you know a guy by the name of adrian peterson? But I guess that really does not apply to gopher football since we do not recruit talent like that.

are you comparing jimmy gjere to adrian peterson?

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[GoAUpher]

You should apologize for yourself for being a$$hole too.

No no. That's his right. It's entertainting watching him nimbly leap from an unsubstantiated slam to an illogically argued premise. I'm excited to see where he goes next.

 

[Gold Vision]

No no. That's his right. It's entertainting watching him nimbly leap from an unsubstantiated slam to an illogically argued premise. I'm excited to see where he goes next.

I am also sitting on pins and needles in anticipation.

 

[c'monman]

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So what you're saying is that the premise of your argument that a true freshman offensive lineman can contribute right away is based upon the example of a skill player (and not just any skill player, a player so skilled that he is currently one of the most productive backs in the NFL)? Explain to me again how this supports the assertion that an O-lineman can start as a true redshirt frosh. An important note...I'm not trying to say that no frosh could ever start on the OL...I'm just saying your logic is full of fail. I'm also trying to point out that this premise you raise isn't tied in any logical way to the assertion made in your OP.

Yes, as I said, we are all dazzled by the nifty logical two step you are offering us. Dancing With The Stars level material here.

A tip. When trying to slam the offensive line with a link to the article, make sure it actually backs up your putdown. And then when you want to change the topic to an argument about whether true freshman O Lineman are capable of contributing, try to find an example that includes a true freshman offensive lineman (something that another poster was able to accomplish with a simple Google search).

wow....I do not have time for you. I would breakdown every sentence of your post but it would take me a f u k i ng hour to explain how dumb you are. Unlike you, I have things to do this afternoon.

 

[GoAUpher]

wow....I do not have time for you. I would breakdown every sentence of your post but it would take me a f u k i ng hour to explain how dumb you are. Unlike you, I have things to do this afternoon.

Oh I have plenty to do. I just needed a break from a frustrating project and this was great entertainment for me. Since your logic seems to be lost on everyone else as well I'm going to have to admit defeat and bow to the fact that you just live on a completely different (and therefore better) logical plane then the rest of us peons. Please do grace us with your wisdom again oh wise one when you are not so busy. And, if you can make time for a humble f***ing idiot such as myself, please feel free to tear apart my post and show me the error of my ways. It would be greatly appreciated.

But sadly, you've shown a disdain for actually replying to the counterpoints raised by all of us peons. I am sad that we are unworthy of your wisdom.

 

[Gold Vision]

wow....I do not have time for you. I would breakdown every sentence of your post but it would take me a f u k i ng hour to explain how dumb you are. Unlike you, I have things to do this afternoon.

Here is an idea, instead of name calling why don't you provide an actual reasoning behind your argument? Just a thought.

 

[gopherguy05]

wow....I do not have time for you. I would breakdown every sentence of your post but it would take me a f u k i ng hour to explain how dumb you are. Unlike you, I have things to do this afternoon.

I think everyone but you agrees this applies here:

 

[year of the gopher]

wow....I do not have time for you. I would breakdown every sentence of your post but it would take me a f u k i ng hour to explain how dumb you are. Unlike you, I have things to do this afternoon.

You have time to come on the board and act as if the team is going to implode because true freshmen O-linemen aren't going to be the ones to save the day but when your argument gets 100% refuted by every other poster you decide you don't have time and decide instead to throw some insults around.

That gives you lots of credibility.

 

[GoAUpher]

You have time to come on the board and act as if the team is going to implode because true freshmen O-linemen aren't going to be the ones to save the day but when your argument gets 100% refuted by every other poster you decide you don't have time and decide instead to throw some insults around.

That gives you lots of credibility.

No, no! Fellas! Don't be blinded by your ignorance. He is the savior we've all been waiting for. Don't hold him down...instead, let him enlighten us!

 

[FireDaveLee]

Robert Gallery: Redshirted
Steve Hutchinson: Redshirted
Joe Thomas: Did play as true freshman, primarly as a blocking TE.
Jake Long: Reshirted

Of course there are exceptions (Orlando Pace, Bryan Bulagua started second half of his freshman season), but the norm is that it's easier for an 18 year old freshman who's attributes are speed & skill (like Adrian Peterson: I like how your example is one of the most God-given football players in the past 25 years) to make a leap quickly at the next level than it is for an 18 year old on the offensive line due to playing in the trenches with men. This is football common sense.

In the case of Thomas, is it better to have used him for that role of a blocking TE than to have him redshirt, play 2-3 years and have him leave early for the NFL? I guess I'll take it as a "good problem" if Gjere redshirts, plays top notch football and is drafted in the 1st round after only playing 2-3 years.

As for Henderson, my guess is he would have played as a true freshman and probably a starter the second half of the season.....but I wouldn't have been shocked had he redshirted. Keep up the effort, troll!

 

[Jike Spingleton]

It's rare to see someone so new to the board take such a pummeling, and keep coming back for more. Hats of to thee, c'monman.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Robert Gallery: Redshirted
Steve Hutchinson: Redshirted
Joe Thomas: Did play as true freshman, primarly as a blocking TE.
Jake Long: Reshirted

Gallery - IOWA
Hutchinson - MICHIGAN
Joe Thomas - WISCONSIN
Jake Long - MICHIGAN

See a common theme here? These guys played for perenial top 25 programs where the talent level is unmatched to that of the current Gopher roster. Rewind the tape and put the 18-19 year old version of these players on the current Gopher roster and I doubt any of them would be redshirting.

Would any of these players redshirted had they gone to Indiana or Minnesota?

 

[RodentRampage]

Redshirting is thinking for the future. Coaches on the hot seat generally can't afford to sacrifice today for tomorrow. That indicates that Brewster feels he is able to redshirt these players without sacrificing this season. Either that means that the upperclassmen on the OL have improved, or that the new freshmen are truly awful. But if they are truly awful, why redshirt them at all? If they are awful, would you even want them for 5 years?

 

[Iceland12]

Art, while Brewster said he's hoping injuries don't require a move and he's like to see the kid get stronger, you should have read this guy's post early in the thread. He explained things quite well. I corrected the spelling.

I guess redshirting him and preserving a year of eligibility is a good idea if he's not ready and minimal playing time this year would be a waste.

Succinct and accurate!

 

[RodentRampage]

I player can be "ready", and redshirting can still be a good choice if the more experienced players are better, and if you expect this player to be even better with an extra year under the belt.

 

[Gopherhurrin]

They are going to have to decide at some point soon. If he is going to red shirt this year they will have to give more reps to the players who may be needed. If he might be needed he gets the reps and may lose the red shirt at some point. It is hard to have it both ways.

 

[FireDaveLee]

Gallery - IOWA
Hutchinson - MICHIGAN
Joe Thomas - WISCONSIN
Jake Long - MICHIGAN

See a common theme here? These guys played for perenial top 25 programs where the talent level is unmatched to that of the current Gopher roster. Rewind the tape and put the 18-19 year old version of these players on the current Gopher roster and I doubt any of them would be redshirting.

Would any of these players redshirted had they gone to Indiana or Minnesota?

Gallery would have. Redshirted during a year the Hawkeyes went 1-10. A guy that talented couldn't possibly be not playing over guys they had playing already, right?

You're completely missing the point, but that's fine, because you're arguing just because you can take a dig at the Gophers. How in the world did Wisconsin get to the point where they can afford to redshirt talented linemen? And why do they continue to have success? It isn't by starting 18 year old linemen.

 

[Jike Spingleton]

Gallery would have. Redshirted during a year the Hawkeyes went 1-10. A guy that talented couldn't possibly be not playing over guys they had playing already, right?

You're completely missing the point, but that's fine, because you're arguing just because you can take a dig at the Gophers. How in the world did Wisconsin get to the point where they can afford to redshirt talented linemen? And why do they continue to have success? It isn't by starting 18 year old linemen.

Ballgame.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Gallery would have. Redshirted during a year the Hawkeyes went 1-10. A guy that talented couldn't possibly be not playing over guys they had playing already, right?

You're completely missing the point, but that's fine, because you're arguing just because you can take a dig at the Gophers. How in the world did Wisconsin get to the point where they can afford to redshirt talented linemen? And why do they continue to have success? It isn't by starting 18 year old linemen.

I'm not saying he should be starting. I just find it hard to believe that he's not even in the mix to get any playing time on one of the worst O-lines in the B10.