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The whole "star system" for recruits is flawed, biased toward offensive abilities. It is believed that anyone can be taught to defend at a high level, but scoring has the highest value. Rightly so, because in basketball you are trying to get more points than your opponent. Young guys play defense waiting to get their chance to go down to the other end and score. It takes kids a few years to realize that defending, team defending is also a high skill that takes 100% effort.

Anecdotally, the portal is filled with guys that started their college careers 4-5 star recruits 90pt rating, but in the portal are zero-1 star guys. Lack of data, playing time probably the biggest reason, but another would be that their game didn't translate to the D1 level and system of the coach. A lot of guys, the ones of value have their stock go UP from a recruit 3-star 87pt rating to a portal guy who after a couple years in college is now a 4-star 93pt guy who has been coached up, defends, and shows value. CBJ has gotten those type of guys.

Brennan Rigsby HS zero star, portal 3-star 88 rating
Trey Edmonds HS zero star, portal 3-star 87 rating
Frank Mitchell HS zero star, portal 3-star 88.5 rating
Femi Odukale HS zero star, portal zero star

Elijah Hawkins HS zero star, portal 4-star 93.28 rating
Pharrel Payne HS 3-star 86, portal 4-star 93.2 rating
JOJ HS 3-star 85.55, portal 3-star 89.5 rating
Braeden Carrington HS 3-star 85, portal zero star.
Cam Christie HS 4-star 91.5, portal zero star (?)

Clearly CBJ coached up Hawkins, Payne, and Christie-no idea why he would be listed zero star portal.
 
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SplitDecision said:
The whole "star system" for recruits is flawed, biased toward offensive abilities. It is believed that anyone can be taught to defend at a high level, but scoring has the highest value. Rightly so, because in basketball you are trying to get more points than your opponent. Young guys play defense waiting to get their chance to go down to the other end and score. It takes kids a few years to realize that defending, team defending is also a high skill that takes 100% effort.

Anecdotally, the portal is filled with guys that started their college careers 4-5 star recruits 90pt rating, but in the portal are zero-1 star guys. Lack of data, playing time probably the biggest reason, but another would be that their game didn't translate to the D1 level and system of the coach. A lot of guys, the ones of value have their stock go UP from a recruit 3-star 87pt rating to a portal guy who after a couple years in college is now a 4-star 93pt guy who has been coached up, defends, and shows value. CBJ has gotten those type of guys.

Brennan Rigsby HS zero star, portal 3-star 88 rating
Trey Edmonds HS zero star, portal 3-star 87 rating
Frank Mitchell HS zero star, portal 3-star 88.5 rating
Femi Odukale HS zero star, portal zero star

Elijah Hawkins HS zero star, portal 4-star 93.28 rating
Pharrel Payne HS 3-star 86, portal 4-star 93.2 rating
JOJ HS 3-star 85.55, portal 3-star 89.5 rating
Braeden Carrington HS 3-star 85, portal zero star.
Cam Christie HS 4-star 91.5, portal zero star (?)

Clearly CBJ coached up Hawkins, Payne, and Christie-no idea why he would be listed zero star portal.
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I think that the zero stars are just unrated as of yet. Obviously Christie would be 4* plus and Odukale was a pretty good get, very good defender who can score and rebound so he has to be 3 or 4*
 

SplitDecision said:
The whole "star system" for recruits is flawed, biased toward offensive abilities. It is believed that anyone can be taught to defend at a high level, but scoring has the highest value. Rightly so, because in basketball you are trying to get more points than your opponent. Young guys play defense waiting to get their chance to go down to the other end and score. It takes kids a few years to realize that defending, team defending is also a high skill that takes 100% effort.

Anecdotally, the portal is filled with guys that started their college careers 4-5 star recruits 90pt rating, but in the portal are zero-1 star guys. Lack of data, playing time probably the biggest reason, but another would be that their game didn't translate to the D1 level and system of the coach. A lot of guys, the ones of value have their stock go UP from a recruit 3-star 87pt rating to a portal guy who after a couple years in college is now a 4-star 93pt guy who has been coached up, defends, and shows value. CBJ has gotten those type of guys.

Brennan Rigsby HS zero star, portal 3-star 88 rating
Trey Edmonds HS zero star, portal 3-star 87 rating
Frank Mitchell HS zero star, portal 3-star 88.5 rating
Femi Odukale HS zero star, portal zero star

Elijah Hawkins HS zero star, portal 4-star 93.28 rating
Pharrel Payne HS 3-star 86, portal 4-star 93.2 rating
JOJ HS 3-star 85.55, portal 3-star 89.5 rating
Braeden Carrington HS 3-star 85, portal zero star.
Cam Christie HS 4-star 91.5, portal zero star (?)

Clearly CBJ coached up Hawkins, Payne, and Christie-no idea why he would be listed zero star portal.
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I’ve posted this before, back when SI was still a real entity, they wrote an expose on how shoe companies we’re paying off recruiting services to give higher rankings to recruits who went to schools which were affiliated with their brand as it upped the cache of the shoes - this was about ~15 years ago.

When Ryan Burns started reporting for GI, he was an undergrad at the U and played football for a year at St. Olaf IIRC; I’m not knocking his hustle/achievements, just pointing out there’s no significant barrier to entry into the college recruiting sports cottage industry.

Most people could pick the top 10 best and worst players out of a random group of 100 - it’s the other ~80 or so that is completely subjective IMO. The star system for HSers is far from accurate or objective.

My hope is that Ben, who has shown he has a good eye for talent, hits on more than he missed with this class and we field a competitive team which has a chance next season. I think his coaching has improved as well.

It’s possible this model might allow us to find the hidden gems in the portal cesspool.
 

bga1 said:
I think that the zero stars are just unrated as of yet. Obviously Christie would be 4* plus and Odukale was a pretty good get, very good defender who can score and rebound so he has to be 3 or 4*
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Christie, Payne, & Hawkins would be 4*.

Odukale, Edmonds, & Rigsby would be 2* or unranked. Mitchell might make 3*.
 


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