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gopherbadgerman said:
Who was better? I was not a huge Morgan fan and was happy when AK got the job, but in reality there was no one better was there?
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This is the main point.....similar to when Leidner was the QB.

Morgan certainly had his short comings. One amazing year (where he benefited from 2 NFL receivers) surrounded by a number where he was just ok. He was a solid college QB and a great leader and during his time here we won a lot of games.

Can certainly fault the coaches for not being able to find someone better to replace him but that doesn't change the fact that Morgan was the best option on our roster during his time here.
 

It's incorrect to think a QB can't benefit from sitting for a few years before starting. I have little doubt Lindsay benefited from being around a guy like Brosmer this year. Seeing how he practices & prepares is very valuable for the QB position. He's still getting reps in practice. It's not the same as game reps, I get that. But in this day and age with the portal, a coach can't have too many "rebuild type years". You can now rebuild with the portal.

Do you let a QB develop and play maybe a little before they are ready at the expense of the team? I don't think you do. Maybe they do think he'll be ready, I'm not sure.
 

I jumped ahead in the thread - so someone may have already made this point - but --

as I see it, bringing in a more experienced QB is basically injury insurance.

Let's say they don't get a portal QB and they go with Lindsey, and he gets hurt. then your QB options are Wittke (assuming he's still on the roster), Shik (walk-on) or Kollock true FR).

on the other hand, if you bring in someone with more starting experience - either at FCS or maybe the G5 level - Lindsey could still win the job in training camp. If Lindsey is just lights-out, he could still be the starter. But then if Lindsey gets hurt, you're putting in a backup with experience - as opposed to someone with virtually no playing experience.

I suspect that Fleck is gun-shy after the AK experience. a portal QB is like a security blanket for the coach.
 

BronkosGhost said:
Am I the only who thinks PJ should stay away from a QB in the transfer portal and go with what he has on the roster. I know the current current QB roster is inexperienced but there seems to be some potential in Drake Lindsey and this Jackson Kollock kid they just signed.
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Yes
 



Gopherchase said:
When Morgan was here running the show for the better part of a decade do you think there was fair competition at the QB position?
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The fact that a walk-on in Annexstad beat Morgan out during the very first open competition Morgan faced indicates there may have been a fair competition.

Then Morgan proceeds to go 13-2 in his first 15 starts after Annexstad got hurt....unlikely there was ever a time there would be an open competition after that. The program had been 5-11 in the 16 games prior to Morgan starting. Like that is no-brainer city.

2020 was effed up with COVID.

2021 they go 9-4 with Morgan.

Then eventually, AK beat him out fair and square in 2022. Tanner got injured, AK took over for good, even when Morgan got healthy enough to play he did not get his job back. Morgan did not play again until AK got hurt in the Pinstripe Bowl.
 


tjgopher said:
The fact that a walk-on in Annexstad beat Morgan out during the very first open competition Morgan faced indicates there may have been a fair competition.

Then Morgan proceeds to go 13-2 in his first 15 starts after Annexstad got hurt....unlikely there was ever a time there would be an open competition after that. The program had been 5-11 in the 16 games prior to Morgan starting. Like that is no-brainer city.

2020 was effed up with COVID.

2021 they go 9-4 with Morgan.

Then eventually, AK beat him out fair and square in 2022. Tanner got injured, AK took over for good, even when Morgan got healthy enough to play he did not get his job back. Morgan did not play again until AK got hurt in the Pinstripe Bowl.
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So if I follow, you are implying then that the coaches play the QB they feel gives them the best chance to win the game? :)

I honestly don't know why some fans try and dispute that notion.
 

gopherphil said:
Can Brosmer file for another year under my team needs me?
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Probably not and I haven't seen it posted here, but Diego Pavia is suring the NCAA asking for another year of eligibility due to his going to junior college for two years and, by extension (at least this is his argument), as a result, he couldn't fully benefit from NIL. I doubt he wins, but if he does it could be another complication in the whole adventure.
 





50PoundHead said:
Probably not and I haven't seen it posted here, but Diego Pavia is suring the NCAA asking for another year of eligibility due to his going to junior college for two years and, by extension (at least this is his argument), as a result, he couldn't fully benefit from NIL. I doubt he wins, but if he does it could be another complication in the whole adventure.
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Have not paid much attention to Pavia's suit but that feels like a really flimsy reason for requesting another year of eligibility. But why not I guess, he doesn't really have NFL prospects so may as well try and cash in now.
 

50PoundHead said:
Probably not and I haven't seen it posted here, but Diego Pavia is suring the NCAA asking for another year of eligibility due to his going to junior college for two years and, by extension (at least this is his argument), as a result, he couldn't fully benefit from NIL. I doubt he wins, but if he does it could be another complication in the whole adventure.
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Coincidentally I'm suing my former employer from back in college where I only made $8 a hour as they now pay their employees $16+/hour. I feel like I deserve the difference based on the rates now.
 



btowngopher said:
Care to name a handful?
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Off top of my head
Fifita was very good last year.
DJ Lagway looked pretty good this year at times as a true FR for FL
Arch Manning looked damn good filling in for Ewers at TX
Iamaleava for TN was good this year
JJ Mccarthy was pretty good as a RS FR
Caleb Williams I guess was ok
Penix at IU

They happen but they are rare and you want to be sure. Your season can get absolutely flamed if you're wrong
 

upnorthkid said:
Off top of my head
Fifita was very good last year.
DJ Lagway looked pretty good this year at times as a true FR for FL
Arch Manning looked damn good filling in for Ewers at TX
Iamaleava for TN was good this year
JJ Mccarthy was pretty good as a RS FR
Caleb Williams I guess was ok
Penix at IU

They happen but they are rare and you want to be sure. Your season can get absolutely flamed if you're wrong
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I think Lindsey is ready to sling it. We’re not gonna bring in a transfer that’s gonna have us win 11 games next year hell we might’ve won seven games this year with Lindsey playing. He has huge upside potential. None of the transfers we bring in will have that. Brosmer was great filled a huge need, but he wasn’t able to elevate us to that next level. I’d rather make a bet that Lindsey could do that then to tread water for another year and wonder whether we were going to the pinstripe bowl.
 

Gopherchase said:
I think Lindsey is ready to sling it. We’re not gonna bring in a transfer that’s gonna have us win 11 games next year hell we might’ve won seven games this year with Lindsey playing. He has huge upside potential. None of the transfers we bring in will have that. Brosmer was great filled a huge need, but he wasn’t able to elevate us to that next level. I’d rather make a bet that Lindsey could do that then to tread water for another year and wonder whether we were going to the pinstripe bowl.
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that's a fair approach. though also is the possibility he doesn't tread water, looks horrible, go 3-9, and it's a lost season and a lot of people start calling for PJs head because he didn't address the QB and said he was starting a RS FR. we'll never know how this team would've been without Brosmer (just how it is) but in a hyper mobile portal era kids that sit for multiple years will be really rare and I think that's part of why we have to be happy with PJ as I'm sure he'll have the conversation with Lindsey and his parents.

If I were betting, Lindsey is the starter next fall and they bring in someone middling as competition for him in camp and because we're not carrying many scholarship QBs
 


upnorthkid said:
Off top of my head
Fifita was very good last year.
DJ Lagway looked pretty good this year at times as a true FR for FL
Arch Manning looked damn good filling in for Ewers at TX
Iamaleava for TN was good this year
JJ Mccarthy was pretty good as a RS FR
Caleb Williams I guess was ok
Penix at IU

They happen but they are rare and you want to be sure. Your season can get absolutely flamed if you're wrong
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Most of those are a different caliber prospect than what we have though. Morgan looked pretty good as a rs freshman, so yeah it can happen, but if Lindsey isn’t a significant step back from Brosmer we are looking at something special.
 

btowngopher said:
Most of those are a different caliber prospect than what we have though. Morgan looked pretty good as a rs freshman, so yeah it can happen, but if Lindsey isn’t a significant step back from Brosmer we are looking at something special.
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Why would Lindsay be something special if he “isnt a significant step back from Brosmer?” Maybe he is just another Brosmer, which wouldn’t be bad.
 

Bobek said:
Why would Lindsay be something special if he “isnt a significant step back from Brosmer?” Maybe he is just another Brosmer, which wouldn’t be bad.
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Because Brosmer was pretty damn good, if Lindsey is that good as a rs freshman one would hope he’d develop into something even better in a couple years.
 

btowngopher said:
Because Brosmer was pretty damn good, if Lindsey is that good as a rs freshman one would hope he’d develop into something even better in a couple years.
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Or he maxes out at Brosmer’s level, which isn’t bad, as you point out. But Lindsay as a freshman redshirt being slightly behind Brosmer as a senior means nothing going forward. But we can hope.
 

Bobek said:
Or he maxes out at Brosmer’s level, which isn’t bad, as you point out. But Lindsay as a freshman redshirt being slightly behind Brosmer as a senior means nothing going forward. But we can hope.
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Yeah, no guarantee he improves, but generally most qbs tend to get better as long as you don’t have a carousel of OCs.
 


gopherbadgerman said:
Agree. And there is nothing concrete to support his upside potential.
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Really, his HS stats were crazy good. He’s bigger than helll if anyone has stood next to him you’d know. What’s the downside on going all in on him like I said earlier another sub par season and a shitty bowl. I’m all in on 3.
 

AK essentially didn't play his senior season in HS, if I recall--a developmental setback, even for someone with a great arm. Lindsay, on the other hand, played his senior year and put up crazy good stats. He was dominant. I suspect his development path is better than AK's. I'd sure like to see Lindsay play next year, but if we find another Brosmer and Lindsay waits, and develops, one more year, that's OK--assuming he will stay.
 

gopherphil said:
Can Brosmer file for another year under my team needs me?
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We probably aren't too far away from someone being able to fight the NCAA for the ability to play as many years as he wants. At that point, we can probably outpay the NFL practice squad for a QB.
 


MNVCGUY said:
So if I follow, you are implying then that the coaches play the QB they feel gives them the best chance to win the game? :)

I honestly don't know why some fans try and dispute that notion.
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I remember asking jokingly if people truly thought PJ was playing a "lesser" QB and risking losses and his job because he liked him better and posters said "Yes".
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
We probably aren't too far away from someone being able to fight the NCAA for the ability to play as many years as he wants. At that point, we can probably outpay the NFL practice squad for a QB.
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I think there is a pending case about this very thing. I think the premise of the case is that as long as someone is enrolled in school and a student, the NCAA cannot take away their ability to earn money and limit the number of years they can play sports. Some experts believe there's a chance the players win.
 


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