Time for Tubby to Go

[bga1]

We are sure spending a lot of money for one extra game in one year. I cannot believe the people that say we could be worse with a new coach. So what? We are 12th instead of 9th or 10th? I'll take my chances.

Ha! You will enjoy this minngg:

Tubby at 2Mill per year - cost per big ten win $250,000
Monson at 1Mill per year - cost per Big ten win $159,000
NCAA wins- priceless

 

[From the Barn]

He had a squad ready to break through with a big win over Indiana and Pryz,the big star of the game quits school because he doesn't want to be told he has to attend class or whatever. That could have been a tourney year.

The pryzbilla team was 3-8 in the B1G before the indiana game. No way would that have been a tourney year.

 

[Gold Vision]

It isn't a non-issue because we could get these results for a lot less money. Tubby should not be making what the average Big Ten coach makes. His results are not average in the Big Ten.

Given Tubby's coaching tenure and status, he was not over paid in his original contract. A "lot less money" for a no name coach would probably be something like a 200-300k difference in base salary. Do you think U is making less money then they were with Monson? Do you think the U would have created as much of a buzz with a no name mid-major coach on the cheap with no guarantee of improved results? The basketball team is extremely profitable, the extra base salary is peanuts. But you are saying you want a completely incentive based salary for our head coach. Good luck with that coaching hire.

You can rip Tubby for the collapse since the middle of last season, it has nothing to do with how much he is paid.

 

[matt]

Tubby makes $1.8 million per year.

 

[BarnBurner]

How many times did Monson go to the Dance in 8 years? How many times has Tubby gone in 4 years?

OK genius...

Tubby didnt have to tolerate any recruiting restrictions, none. Did Monson?

Did Tubby enter the U while the NCAA was crippling BB team? Negative press all over the country?

Your full of $hit dipdoll, if you wont acknowledge the differences.

Tubby's record speaks for itself, and thus far he record is no better than the guy you piss on.

 

[Parski1]

Stupid thread.

 

[station19]

+1,000,001; I love college basketball. In particular supporting Gopher BB. When Trevor went down, I had just back from a month long business trip outside of the US. I could not wait to watch a Gopher BB game. I got to watch 2 wins and then Trevor went down. It made me sick. Our best player, a dominant player went down for the season and I knew the season was lost. But, we won 6 games in a row without him. To spite all the complaints about our weak schedule we still had a strong RPI.

Then we lose our first 3 Big Ten games. Each one of those games we could have and should have won. They were fun to watch. I hate losing at anything, but still they were fun to watch. Ya'll, the season is still young. The players are giving everything they have.

I agree about Ralph falling asleep sometimes out there. I thought the first 18 minutes yesteray were amung his best and then he just seemed to lose it. I still think he will have a great year. I still think this team will be competitive and will make the NCAA's and win one or two games there. If they don't, then I will be upset, but I am not giving up on Tubby. The way this team has developed if we still had Trevor this would be one of the top teams in America. It still makes me sick, but I am proud to have Tubby as our coach.

Now if we wind up 0 and 18, then.............................

You can't be serious.

 

[station19]

The thing with Tubby is that you can make an argument either way for how good he is or isn't.
He gets enough wins in an easy pre conference schedule to make his win column look good.
Here is where it gets gray.
The "overall body of work"
When Tubby left UK he left it in decline. regardless of what he had done with Pitino's players or even some
of the recruits he got and worked with himself.
Nobody expected Tubby to have a 1996 team every year.
However, By his last 2 seasons UK wasn't a ranked team, was finishing in the middle of the SEC, not getting top players
and leaving the NCAA Tourn on the first weekend.
They were no longer and Elite team.
Every coach has a bad year but had he stayed at UK it didn't appear that the next year held any promise of a return to the top.
A bad year, OK two bad years people begin to wonder, more than that and it's a habit.

Fast forward to Minn.
Tubby took over a team that was at the bottom and he only had one way to go. He did inject some life into the Gophers but
I have to wonder if any mid level coach couldn't have improved on what Monson had done.
Now after 5 years at the helm where is Minn.? At the bottom of the Big Ten and looking for a fight to get into the NCAA
If Tubby was all he is cracked up to be, him getting into the NCAA should not be a fight, it should be automatic.
Yes he lost Trevor. Is he so great a coach that 1 player going down caused the whole ship to sink? He should have had more built into his recruiting but he doesn't recruit enough top players. He gets serviceable players that will try and do as he tells them but most of the players he gets for starters would be a sub on a top notch team if they even got recruited by said team.
Its not like Tubby is getting recruits over DUKE, UNC, UCONN etc.
As I said, the "overall body of work"
At the end of the day in a business you can split hairs over why business isn't good and the competition is ahead of you but the overall direction the company is going in is THE BOTTOM LINE

Year 5 of Tubby
Only has wins against soft teams.
No wins against Big Ten teams
Probably looking at a NIT at best, even with the NCAA expansion
Refuses to change his system even though it appears its going nowhere fast

Fans, this is not suppose to be a mid level coach were talking about but at one time had
many saying he was one of THE best.
This is NOT the results of one of THE best coaches in b-ball but the results of a mid level coach.

I for one think Tubby's better days are behind him. Not sure if he is tired or just doesn't care enough anymore
but if he hasn't done better than this by year 5 there is no reason to believe he will be any better by year 6, 7, etc.

Very, very, very well said.

Add to this the team often looks confused and disinterested.

 

[The Truth]

Tubby Smith's tenure at UK has no bearing on his tenure at Minnesota.

The only thing that matters is that some of the same problems he did have at UK are popping right back up again (stagnant offense, rash of unhappy players leaving, poor recruiting, and a defensive philosophy that has still never accounted for the three point shot.) but he doesn't have the Kentucky "brand" to fall back on or a national championship ring to stave off some of the criticism.

Listen, I like Tubby the man and think he's a good coach but the game has passed him by at this point. He doesn't have "it" on the recruiting trail, won't hire the assistants who do and his offensive and defensive schemes are rooted firmly in a different era. I thought Minnesota would be different for him, a chance to reinvent himself and operate in a less pressure filled atmosphere where expectations weren't so high. Clearly that hasn't happened.

 

[Gold Vision]

5 years. 2 coaches. Time to move on.

(I'm not talking about Tubby)

 

[notagopherfan]

while many of you correctly point out Tubby didn't have succes his last 2 years at UK.. don't forget he had recruited jodie meeks(76ers) had patterson locked up(rockets), kenny frease, draymond green(future nba player), jai lucas and darius miller(future nba player). So while his recruting wasn't on par with calapari's.. id' argue not another coach in college basketball is on par with Cal. That being said, he had things coming back to good by the time he took the minnesota job. At the same time it was time to move on. It's just too much of a pressure job for any man to withstand more than 10 years.. even calipari has said he wouldn't stay longer than that...

the 2003 and 2005 teams were as good as any teams I have seen at UK..for the record.. no one else has ever gone undefeated in the SEC regular season. that team reminds me a lot of this years minnesota team. Not loaded.. but a team with a bunch of good players.. your guys just haven't put it together yet. the 2003 team only had 3 nba players on it. i say your current team has 5. sampson, hollins,hollins, williams and eliason.. i don't count mbakwe since he's not playing. Give it time, you guys will be in the mix later this year and for sure next year