Time for Tubby to Go

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This program is absolutely no better off than it was 5 years ago. Let's see...no scorers...no free throw shooting...no leadership on or off the court. Very average recruits that never pan out. Players leaving right and left. The big question is always "who will he run off the team next"?

Embarrassing, absolutely embarrassing...and no end in sight.
 

To be fair, Tubby has had horrific luck over the past 3 seasons when it comes to injuries and suspensions. That said, I'm just not seeing enough improvement from the players on the court. Either terrible recruiting or his coaching just isn't resonating.

I don't know who we can get but the program definitely needs a spark and a new start.
 

Who cares about the injuries. He is too old school and doesnt seem to be able to adapt within games against new defenses. Maybe we could play Andre, Joe and Chip against the zone since those are the only 3 on our team that can drive....Tubby has all 3 on the bench thou. I am done with Tubby, 10mm with no NCAA in 5 years, pathetic.
 

He has to go. When he won it was with teams that had athletes that could get out and run. That is what Tubby wants to do. He can't recruit kids to play his system and he can't adapt. That is a red flag and it is time for him to go.

Every team in the B1G will work on the zone when Tubby's team shows up on the schedule.
 

Tubby is the Glen Mason of basketball. I watched the final five minutes of the Northwestern/Illinois game before the Gophers started. Northwestern has at least 3 guys who can hit a jumpshot better than anyone on our roster. It starts with recruiting and Tubby hasn't brought anyone in who he's been able to develop into a legitimate force in the Big Ten.

Mbakwe had player of the year potential, but wasn't a Tubby project. He came in a beast and Tubby was just riding him to the tournament. Now with Mbakwe down, we're forced to lean on Ralph Sampson, who appears to have the tenacity of a young girl.

Iowa plays us in a soft zone giving us the outside shot and we've got Welch launching 3's, of which about 15% go in. Where is Oto at that point, isn't he supposed to be the European sniper from outside??? I'm so confused and frustrated--- I can't stand it. While our football program heals (hopefully) I needed a bright spot to look forward to and BTN doesn't cover nearly enough hockey games.
 


oto is hurt, welch was a 40% 3pt shooter before last night. I get the anger and frustration, but not the stupidity.
 

From the Barn said:
oto is hurt, welch was a 40% 3pt shooter before last night. I get the anger and frustration, but not the stupidity.
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What is stupid is passing this roster off as good with the talent on it. Trevor or no Trevor, this team was going nowhere. This is his 5th year. No excuses.
 

Moses87 said:
To be fair, Tubby has had horrific luck over the past 3 seasons when it comes to injuries and suspensions. That said, I'm just not seeing enough improvement from the players on the court. Either terrible recruiting or his coaching just isn't resonating.
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it seems like the harder you work the luckier you are. And apparently it works in reverse also.

I see two players on the roster that are naturally aggressive offensively-- Joe Coleman and Andre Hollins. And that aggressiveness is being taken away by the coaching style. Look at the other big Tubby personality conflicts and most of them seem to be with aggressive offensive players- Westbrook, Joseph, Bostick, Iverson (just threw that one it to see if anyone was reading closely)
 

Ala Bobby Knight

Tubby is a coaching dinosaur. The game hasn't passed him by, the game within the game has. Bobby Knight and Tubby can both X and O anyone to death, that's not the key to winning in college basketball anymore. He can't recruit and he's unwilling to work at it just like when he was at Kentucky.
Flip Saunders will be the scapegoat in Washington for their terrible roster this season. An NBA coach would be a great way to turn the program around.........again. Recruits would love to play in that type of a system, gets them ready for where they are trying to go.
 



You're right, Welch is actually hitting 47% of his 3's on the season...
And he's leading the team in turnovers. That's what I look for in a PG.

Let's keep Tubby forever, maybe we'll land that NIT bid this year!
 

Let's let the season play out. A lame-duck AD with no practice facility, an aging arena that's about to become a re-seated morgue and being known as the school even Tubby couldn't win at...yikes what a combo. Unless Flip wants the job they're not going to be beating the door down. We're still far better off if Tubby can pull this out of the ditch.
 

howeda7 said:
Let's let the season play out. A lame-duck AD with no practice facility, an aging arena that's about to become a re-seated morgue and being known as the school even Tubby couldn't win at...yikes what a combo. Unless Flip wants the job they're not going to be beating the door down. We're still far better off if Tubby can pull this out of the ditch.
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+1,000,000
 

howeda7 said:
Let's let the season play out. A lame-duck AD with no practice facility, an aging arena that's about to become a re-seated morgue and being known as the school even Tubby couldn't win at...yikes what a combo. Unless Flip wants the job they're not going to be beating the door down. We're still far better off if Tubby can pull this out of the ditch.
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I don't get the Flip obsession on this board. Yes, he's "one of us," but coaching an NBA team and hanging around high school gyms hoping that pimply faced sixteen year olds notice you require very different skill sets. The other unfortunate reality is that college coaching is a young man's game. I wouldn't be inclined to hire someone in his 50's or 60's, too much of an age gap. We are gradually and reluctantly coming to learn that Tubby isn't the answer. Neither is Flip.
 



jamiche said:
I don't get the Flip obsession on this board. Yes, he's "one of us," but coaching an NBA team and hanging around high school gyms hoping that pimply faced sixteen year olds notice you require very different skill sets. The other unfortunate reality is that college coaching is a young man's game. I wouldn't be inclined to hire someone in his 50's or 60's, too much of an age gap. We are gradually and reluctantly coming to learn that Tubby isn't the answer. Neither is Flip.
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I agree. It may be worth a shot, but it's hardly some sure thing. He'd be in my top 5 if a move must be made, but not #1.
 

howeda7 said:
Let's let the season play out. A lame-duck AD with no practice facility, an aging arena that's about to become a re-seated morgue and being known as the school even Tubby couldn't win at...yikes what a combo. Unless Flip wants the job they're not going to be beating the door down. We're still far better off if Tubby can pull this out of the ditch.
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Once he had his own recruits in place, Kentucky was also a school that Tubby couldn't win at.
 

Minnesconsin fan said:
it seems like the harder you work the luckier you are. And apparently it works in reverse also.

I see two players on the roster that are naturally aggressive offensively-- Joe Coleman and Andre Hollins. And that aggressiveness is being taken away by the coaching style. Look at the other big Tubby personality conflicts and most of them seem to be with aggressive offensive players- Westbrook, Joseph, Bostick, Iverson (just threw that one it to see if anyone was reading closely)
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If you don't think Chip Armelin is "naturally aggressive" . . . then you're not watching what I'm watching.
 

tjgesquire said:
Tubby can both X and O anyone to death
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Didn't see much of the O-ing anyone to death last night. I saw 30 minutes of us getting X'ed to death while we O'ed around the outside of it.

This team was completely unprepared to handle what they knew was coming their way. I blame that on the coach. When you know you will face a smothering 2-3 zone, you come up with a plan to beat it.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Once he had his own recruits in place, Kentucky was also a school that Tubby couldn't win at.
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Except that time he went 32-4, undefeated in the SEC, won both the SEC regular season and conference championship, and went to the elite eight. All with his own recruits. But keep trying. If u r going to rip the guy, at least be smart about it.
 


bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Once he had his own recruits in place, Kentucky was also a school that Tubby couldn't win at.
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Tubby's overall record his first 4 years at Kentucky: 110-33 (.769)
Tubby's overall record his last 6 years at Kentucky: 153-50 (.754)

Tubby's SEC record his first 4 years at Kentucky: 49-15 (.766)
Tubby's SEC record his last 6 years at Kentucky: 71-25 (.740)

In other words, he was more or less the same coach whether with Pitino's recruits or his own recruits. He also went to a Sweet Sixteen and two Elite Eights during his last 6 years at Kentucky. But, please - troll on.
 

scher215 is the poor man's FOT...

We have the same problems that we have had the last few years. Whether it be shooting, free-throws, or a half court offense of zombies, Tubby has failed to correct it. All three of those things should easily be corrected by a good coach. You can recruit shooters and you can recruit good free-throw shooters. How year after year(with little to no improvement) the ball gets passed around the perimeter with no movement in the offense is absolutely astounding. Don't give me that Nolan was hurt crap either, half our sets with him were wait till the shot clock gets to five and then have him drive and throw up a prayer..
 

Tubby's overall record his first 4 years at Kentucky: 110-33 (.769)
Tubby's overall record his last 6 years at Kentucky: 153-50 (.754)

Tubby's SEC record his first 4 years at Kentucky: 49-15 (.766)
Tubby's SEC record his last 6 years at Kentucky: 71-25 (.740)

In other words, he was more or less the same coach whether with Pitino's recruits or his own recruits. He also went to a Sweet Sixteen and two Elite Eights during his last 6 years at Kentucky. But, please - troll on.
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Tubby is 32-43 in the B10. Has lost 13 of his last 14. If it was not for Monson recruits like Westbrook, Nolen and Blake, Tubby' record would be a lot worse. Every one of "his" recruits has not lived up to expectations or gotten better since they have been here. If you thought 6-12 was bad last year, watch for 2-3 wins this year.
 

gopherinpain said:
Tubby is 32-43 in the B10. Has lost 13 of his last 14. If it was not for Monson recruits like Westbrook, Nolen and Blake, Tubby' record would be a lot worse. Every one of "his" recruits has not lived up to expectations or gotten better since they have been here. If you thought 6-12 was bad last year, watch for 2-3 wins this year.
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That's not what he was responding to ... a poster said Tubby never won at UK with his own recruits. Minnesota wasn't mentioned. So while you are entitled to that point, the post you referanced isn't even close to relevant.
 

I could care less what Tubby did at UK. Fans ran him out of town because of the same problems we are facing now. After another horrible season in which we miss the NCAAs and the NIT, hopefully a new AD can take this program in a different direction.
 

gopheraschells said:
scher215 is the poor man's FOT...

We have the same problems that we have had the last few years. Whether it be shooting, free-throws, or a half court offense of zombies, Tubby has failed to correct it. All three of those things should easily be corrected by a good coach. You can recruit shooters and you can recruit good free-throw shooters. How year after year(with little to no improvement) the ball gets passed around the perimeter with no movement in the offense is absolutely astounding. Don't give me that Nolan was hurt crap either, half our sets with him were wait till the shot clock gets to five and then have him drive and throw up a prayer..
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If correcting posters who rip on Tubby or players or constantly complain with arguments that have no factual backing makes me a "poor man's FOT", then thanks for the compliment I guess?

Feel free to rip away, but at least make sure the argument has some merit.
 


did my prior argument have merit? Just wondering what your thoughts are? I would also be interested in your thoughts on Tubby's time here and his future.

-thanks ahead of time
 


would also be interested in your thoughts on Tubby's time here and his future.
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I will give you some future.

Sun, Jan 8 Purdue L
Thu, Jan 12 at (12) Indiana L
Sun, Jan 15 at Penn St. W
Sun, Jan 22 Northwestern W
Wed, Jan 25 at (10) Michigan St. L
Sat, Jan 28 Illinois L
Wed, Feb 1 at Iowa L
Sun Feb 5 At Neb W
Thu, Feb 9 (18) Wisconsin L
Tue, Feb 14 (6) Ohio St. L
Sat, Feb 18 at Northwestern L
Wed, Feb 22 (10) Michigan St. L
Sat, Feb 25 (12) Indiana L
Tue, Feb 28 at (18) Wisconsin L
Sat, Mar 3 Nebraska W

I see 4-14, maybe 5-13. NO tourney NO NIT. That is what we get for 2 million dollars.
 

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