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Dr.Don said:
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Agree, and what a shameful moniker it is.
 

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If he's taking over at Kentucky, you can just look at straight numbers when it comes to his record. When he's taking over at powerhouses like Colorado State and Nebraska, you might want to look at the team he inherited and if he improved them. Since we can't really tell that with Nebraska yet, let's just look at Colorado State.

Year before he came: 17-13 6-10 T-6th
1st year: 7-25 0-16 9th
2nd year: 9-22 4-12 8th
3rd year: 16-16 7-9 5th CBI 1st Round
4th year: 19-13 9-7 4th NIT 1st Round
5th year: 20-12 8-6 4th NCAA 2nd Round

If you look at his previous experience at NDSU (D2 moving to D1 when he was there) and SMSU, you'll see a similar trend: improving record out and in conference, improving finish in conference, and improving postseason appearances each year he's there. It's kind of unfair to just look at straight record when someone is taking over a bad program.
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Like I said, I think Tim Miles is a good coach but he took over a Colorado State team that went 17-13 and 6-10 in conference and it took him between his 3rd and 4th seasons at CSU to repeat that amount of "success". He did a nice job of building Colorado State now and I give him credit for their team this year too.

I just am more impressed with Anthony Grant than Tim Miles and Grant isn't a top 3 option of mine. So while I think Miles is a good coach, I think a chunk of the buzz around him here is due to his relationship with KFAN and his local ties. If Grant had Miles's resume, no one would be interested and if Miles had Grant's resume, everyone would be going crazy for us to hire Miles.

Grant took over VCU and improved on what Capel was doing and then took over an Alabama program that was a disaster (at the end) under Gottfried and has turned them around and won at a .590 clip in conference. It's not super splashy, but much splashier than Miles (IMO).
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Like I said, I think Tim Miles is a good coach but he took over a Colorado State team that went 17-13 and 6-10 in conference and it took him between his 3rd and 4th seasons at CSU to repeat that amount of "success". He did a nice job of building Colorado State now and I give him credit for their team this year too.

Grant took over VCU and improved on what Capel was doing and then took over an Alabama program that was a disaster (at the end) under Gottfried and has turned them around and won at a .590 clip in conference. It's not super splashy, but much splashier than Miles (IMO).
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FargoBison said:
When Tim took over at CSU the program was in ruins.

The program has come light years from Miles' first season, when CSU went 0-16 in the conference.

"We were left with what could have been the fifth-best intramural team on a lot of campuses," Miles said of the 2007-08 team. The Rams needed the best intramural player on campus, current senior starting guard Adam Nigon, to merit Miles's claim of fifth-best.
Why so short-handed?

"Apparently our first meeting didn't go well," Miles said of the mass exodus after meeting his team in March 2007. "It was a melee for the next six weeks."
Of the nine inherited players with eligibility, seven left. Most transferred or quit playing. Freshman forward Xavier Kilby was kicked off the team after firing a gun into a couch during an argument with a teammate.

"We had to get rid of guys," Miles said. "The only smart guy was Jason Smith. He entered the NBA draft."

Read more: Miles gives win-starved CSU fans reason to cheer - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/csu/ci_17440080#ixzz2PBtmp8N6
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Yeah I'm probably biased towards Miles, but I also think taking a team like that and making the tournament in 5 years is impressive. Grant has had great stints at VCU and Alabama, but I'm more impressed by Miles turning around multiple schools. That said, I wouldn't be disappointed if we hired Grant especially since, as it's already been pointed out, we really shouldn't go after Miles anyways.
 

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Yeah I'm probably biased towards Miles, but I also think taking a team like that and making the tournament in 5 years is impressive. Grant has had great stints at VCU and Alabama, but I'm more impressed by Miles turning around multiple schools. That said, I wouldn't be disappointed if we hired Grant especially since, as it's already been pointed out, we really shouldn't go after Miles anyways.
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I hear you. I think I'd prefer Grant, the tie breaker being his supposed ability to recruit (great classes at Alabama) and his proven success in a major conference (is the SEC still a major conference?). Miles has more experience as a head coach and turning around those smaller programs does count as well. There could also be a "fit" with Miles. Miles is the type of coach who comes without frills and would make sense at the U (reminds me of a Jerry Kill type). So I definitely hear you, he's a good coach.

The thing that you won't hear right now from the local media or some of the sky-is-falling crowd is that there are a bunch of really good basketball coaches available, every year.
 



FargoBison said:
When Tim took over at CSU the program was in ruins.

Also Tim Miles coached at CSU for five years, not sure what Dr. Don is talking about.

That said Tim has a new arena, practice arena and private plane at Nebraska...plus an athletic admin that is really supportive of him. There is no way he leaves.
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Bob_Loblaw said:
I hear you. I think I'd prefer Grant, the tie breaker being his supposed ability to recruit (great classes at Alabama) and his proven success in a major conference (is the SEC still a major conference?). Miles has more experience as a head coach and turning around those smaller programs does count as well. There could also be a "fit" with Miles. Miles is the type of coach who comes without frills and would make sense at the U (reminds me of a Jerry Kill type). So I definitely hear you, he's a good coach.

The thing that you won't hear right now from the local media or some of the sky-is-falling crowd is that there are a bunch of really good basketball coaches available, every year.
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Miles did some great recruiting at NDSU, especially if you look at their facilities at the time. Even though Summit League recruiting isn't B1G recruiting, it is noteworthy.

Even if there are a bunch of really good basketball coaches, none would want to come to a hellhole like Minnesota and coach in the B1G. (sarcasm)
 

tim miles? really? ahhh, no thanks. come on guys. for some admit you only bring up his name because you have some kind of personal geographic connection and/or are overly obsessed with the quasi-local angle in sports (i.e. he is from the better of the two dakotas and at one time coached the fighting no names of the university of south manitoba).
 

supadupafly said:
tim miles? really? ahhh, no thanks. come on guys. for some admit you only bring up his name because you have some kind of connection or are overly obsessed with the quasi-local angle in sports (i.e. he is from so dak and coach the fighting no names of the university of south manitoba).
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For some, it's his stints on KFAN.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
For some, it's his stints on KFAN.
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no kidding. some of these people probably are the same clueless rubes who often call in to KFAN during the day just to hear their silly voices on the radio and say dumb $hit like IALTO or dohhh kay or to worship at the feet of a bald headed boob named dan barreiro.
 



supadupafly said:
tim miles? really? ahhh, no thanks. come on guys. for some admit you only bring up his name because you have some kind of personal geographic connection and/or are overly obsessed with the quasi-local angle in sports (i.e. he is from the better of the two dakotas and at one time coached the fighting no names of the university of south manitoba).
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Or maybe we just think he's the best coach out there.
 


supadupafly said:
based on what exactly? personally, i don't think his record affords him that kind of distinction.
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He has turned around two D-1 programs and is about to do the same to a 3rd. I think Miles was a great hire for Nebraska and he will put that program on track. He'd be a great hire for the U but it's not going to happen.
 

jaymil said:
He has turned around two D-1 programs and is about to do the same to a 3rd. I think Miles was a great hire for Nebraska and he will put that program on track. He'd be a great hire for the U but it's not going to happen.
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+1
 

supadupafly said:
(i.e. he is from the better of the two dakotas and at one time coached the fighting no names of the university of south manitoba).
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No, he didn't coach the no names. He coached at NDSU not UND.
 

jaymil said:
He has turned around two D-1 programs and is about to do the same to a 3rd. I think Miles was a great hire for Nebraska and he will put that program on track. He'd be a great hire for the U but it's not going to happen.
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please don't let your graduating from NDSU and the fact that miles once coach there cloud your mind on this.

p.s. let me know when miles does in fact turn around nebraska. you are giving him a bit too much credit already regarding nebraska.
 


jaymil said:
He has turned around two D-1 programs and is about to do the same to a 3rd. I think Miles was a great hire for Nebraska and he will put that program on track. He'd be a great hire for the U but it's not going to happen.
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I'm not saying you, but I've seen plenty of people scoff at other coaching candidates with similar/better credentials.

It's not that I don't think Miles is a good coach, I just couldn't imagine that if Miles had turned around NC A & T and then Winthrop without any stints on KFAN, I don't think people would like the guy.

Look at people's reaction to Anthony Grant and people's reaction to Tim Miles. You can argue either way, but their resumes are similar. A lot more people like Miles than Grant on this board. It's because he's chummy with Guardsy and PA.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I'm not saying you, but I've seen plenty of people scoff at other coaching candidates with similar/better credentials.

It's not that I don't think Miles is a good coach, I just couldn't imagine that if Miles had turned around NC A & T and then Winthrop without any stints on KFAN, I don't think people would like the guy.

Look at people's reaction to Anthony Grant and people's reaction to Tim Miles. You can argue either way, but their resumes are similar. A lot more people like Miles than Grant on this board. It's because he's chummy with Guardsy and PA.
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+1, Bob. Killing it as always!
 

Speaking for myself, my preference for Miles has nothing to do with KFAN (I don't listen to it other than listening to Danny B on my way home from work). I'd have no complaints about Miles or Grant, but pulling my arm I'd much prefer Miles because I like the things he's done in the Midwest. ... Southwest Minnesota State, NDSU, followed by some solid work at Colorado State and promising work (with limited talent) in his 1st year at Nebraska. Someone with Midwest and/or Big Ten ties is an important criteria for me.

That said, I realize he's not not going to leave Nebraska after one year, so it's a moot point.
 

supadupafly said:
please don't let your graduating from NDSU and the fact that miles once coach there cloud your mind on this.

p.s. let me know when miles does in fact turn around nebraska. you are giving him a bit too much credit already regarding nebraska.
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Me graduating from there has nothing to do with it. Saul Phillips is the current coach there and I explained why I DON'T want him to be the hire in the thread he is mentioned. If you take a look at Miles' track record, every place he has been he has improved the program. People in Nebraska expected them to win 0-2 big ten games this year and they ended up winning 5. I guess I'll just have to say I told you so in a few years.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I'm not saying you, but I've seen plenty of people scoff at other coaching candidates with similar/better credentials.

It's not that I don't think Miles is a good coach, I just couldn't imagine that if Miles had turned around NC A & T and then Winthrop without any stints on KFAN, I don't think people would like the guy.

Look at people's reaction to Anthony Grant and people's reaction to Tim Miles. You can argue either way, but their resumes are similar. A lot more people like Miles than Grant on this board. It's because he's chummy with Guardsy and PA.
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I wasn't even aware that Miles was on KFAN. Grant could very well be as good of a candidate or an even better candidate than Miles. I'll admit I don't know that much about him. I think a lot of people are turned off by the fact that he couldn't get Alabama to the tournament playing in a very weak conference in his 4th year there.
 

jaymil said:
I wasn't even aware that Miles was on KFAN. Grant could very well be as good of a candidate or an even better candidate than Miles. I'll admit I don't know that much about him. I think a lot of people are turned off by the fact that he couldn't get Alabama to the tournament playing in a very weak conference in his 4th year there.
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Like I said, I wasn't even referring to you. There is just a more positive buzz around Miles than around similar caliber of coaches.

Anthony Grant's been to the tournament with Alabama (last year), he was 12-6 in the SEC this year with Bama, and has a career 39-27 SEC record in Tuscaloosa (compared to the 20-30 SEC record the three years before his arrival).

Don't get me wrong, he's not perfect and I can see the Miles stuff too. I just think some of the posters like Miles over other similar candidates for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Like I said, I wasn't even referring to you. There is just a more positive buzz around Miles than around similar caliber of coaches.

Anthony Grant's been to the tournament with Alabama (last year), he was 12-6 in the SEC this year with Bama, and has a career 39-27 SEC record in Tuscaloosa (compared to the 20-30 SEC record the three years before his arrival).

Don't get me wrong, he's not perfect and I can see the Miles stuff too. I just think some of the posters like Miles over other similar candidates for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball.
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I had no idea Miles was on KFAN either, and I'm also one who always thought he would be FANTASTIC as the Gophers coach. Full disclosure, I'm biased, I knew him casually while he was building up Southwest State. That being said, it's not going to happen.

In all fairness, the one glaring difference between Anthony Grant and Miles is what others have mentioned; the Midwest connection, he's spoken of the Gophers program before as a "dream job", and he would bust his tail for the program if he had the gig. I like Grant also, quite a bit actually, but I'm pretty sure he's never publicly stated how much he would LOVE to coach the Minnesota Gophers.

I still think we're going to be VERY happy for the most part with who the ultimate selection turns out to be. I would have to think a hire would be made by Wednesday or so, but who knows. Looking forward to the reaction here when a hire is made though. Should be phenomenal entertainment!
 

What is KFAN? Miles coached in the same conference I played in. I couldn't believe he won there, and have been following him since.
 

Ogee Oglethorpe said:
I had no idea Miles was on KFAN either, and I'm also one who always thought he would be FANTASTIC as the Gophers coach. Full disclosure, I'm biased, I knew him casually while he was building up Southwest State. That being said, it's not going to happen.

In all fairness, the one glaring difference between Anthony Grant and Miles is what others have mentioned; the Midwest connection, he's spoken of the Gophers program before as a "dream job", and he would bust his tail for the program if he had the gig. I like Grant also, quite a bit actually, but I'm pretty sure he's never publicly stated how much he would LOVE to coach the Minnesota Gophers.

I still think we're going to be VERY happy for the most part with who the ultimate selection turns out to be. I would have to think a hire would be made by Wednesday or so, but who knows. Looking forward to the reaction here when a hire is made though. Should be phenomenal entertainment!
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That's sort of what I was alluding to when I said that if Miles had his resume at NC A & T and then Winthrop, people wouldn't be interested. For some reason, people like that Midwest connection. I don't really see the point in it, but to each their own.

As far as it being their dream job, that only matters for me because I think it would be easier to get them. Once we have them, I don't care if they are Saint Paul or Moscow. But I understand that is important to some people.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
That's sort of what I was alluding to when I said that if Miles had his resume at NC A & T and then Winthrop, people wouldn't be interested. For some reason, people like that Midwest connection. I don't really see the point in it, but to each their own.

As far as it being their dream job, that only matters for me because I think it would be easier to get them. Once we have them, I don't care if they are Saint Paul or Moscow. But I understand that is important to some people.
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