Thoughts on Horton from someone who knows him well

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Badger1bob said:
Excellent hire by the Gophs. Jeff was the QB coach at UW and play at the postion improved dramatically under him. Never was the OC at UW, worked under Brian White and then Paul Chryst. Horton is very bright, experienced in the type of FB played in the Big Ten, and just a all round college FB savant. Jeff will bring energy to the program and is an interesting interview. Weber and the other QBs will grow under Horton, assuming he will also be the QB coach.

Of course he can't play offensive line for MN and in my opinion that is your big weakness. During the Alvarez era us Badgers learned that if you want to enjoy success, you better be solid in the OL and DL. In years were we weren't solid there the results suffered. Most of our solid building blocks in the OL and to a lesser extent in the DL are Wisconsin bred boys. I would be concerned about guys like Beau Allen and the one last year that got away. Henderson? Reading these boards, I think quite a few fans, not all, want to focus on skill positions. IMO your skill is competitive, you need a better D and OL.

But a hire like Horton? Yeah you guys should be tipping a few back and celebrating. It acutally scares me a bit that Brewster can get something like this right. Good luck to Jeff Horton while he is with the Gophers. Us Badgers owe him a debt of gratitude.
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The world is ending soon. The badgers enter gopher hole to bring calm and perspective. I'm just going to ignore it all and pretend it didn't happen.
 

I think most are calm. Its just the resident debbie downers and idiots who are complaining. Anyone who actually knows anything about football, and or actually cares legitimately about the Gophers know that this is a decent hire, and has the and this is the key word, potential to really make a difference. Don't let the idiots let you think otherwise.
 

bankonit said:
Pete Carrol won't start Matt Hasselbeck next year, he sucks. Carroll will draft a QB or make a trade. If your college athletes need fundamentals taught to them they should not be on the field. Fundamentals are taught in pee wees and high school.
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I'd love to hear you back up this steaming pile of nonsense.
 

Seems to be a solid hire to me - he was a headcoach, knows recruiting, has loads of experience with QBs, is a good match to Cosgrove and reunites with former colleagues from Madison. Nowhere to go but up for the offense, anyway!
 

bankonit said:
I somewhat agree, I think this hire is terrible and we must have been turned down by every capable person we interviewed. This is not a big name or a sexy hire that would turn heads, we needed a hire that would be front page ESPN worthy. Hopefully we will be back in the market for an OC again next year and can get it right then. With that said I am still positive about the program as a whole and think Brewster is doing a good enough job to deserve more time, it takes time to take it to the next level.
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He's not a primate, therefore he is a good hire, much better than his predecessor who was the worst OC in the history of college football.
 


bankonit said:
If your college athletes need fundamentals taught to them they should not be on the field. Fundamentals are taught in pee wees and high school.
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You are such a frickin loser it makes me sick. Athletes need CONTINUAL coaching on the fundamentals. Even the pros go through drills to keep them coached up on the fundamentals you moron.

Good god, crawl back in your hole.
 

I like the hire. He's had experience doing the crazy stuff with Ault in Nevada and the good old Big 10 stuff at Wisconsin.
 

bankonit said:
I somewhat agree, I think this hire is terrible and we must have been turned down by every capable person we interviewed. This is not a big name or a sexy hire that would turn heads, we needed a hire that would be front page ESPN worthy. Hopefully we will be back in the market for an OC again next year and can get it right then. With that said I am still positive about the program as a whole and think Brewster is doing a good enough job to deserve more time, it takes time to take it to the next level.
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If we are in the market for a new OC next year, rest assured it will be a new HC looking for one...
 

Badger1bob said:
Excellent hire by the Gophs. Jeff was the QB coach at UW and play at the postion improved dramatically under him. Never was the OC at UW, worked under Brian White and then Paul Chryst. Horton is very bright, experienced in the type of FB played in the Big Ten, and just a all round college FB savant. Jeff will bring energy to the program and is an interesting interview. Weber and the other QBs will grow under Horton, assuming he will also be the QB coach.

Of course he can't play offensive line for MN and in my opinion that is your big weakness. During the Alvarez era us Badgers learned that if you want to enjoy success, you better be solid in the OL and DL. In years were we weren't solid there the results suffered. Most of our solid building blocks in the OL and to a lesser extent in the DL are Wisconsin bred boys. I would be concerned about guys like Beau Allen and the one last year that got away. Henderson? Reading these boards, I think quite a few fans, not all, want to focus on skill positions. IMO your skill is competitive, you need a better D and OL.

But a hire like Horton? Yeah you guys should be tipping a few back and celebrating. It acutally scares me a bit that Brewster can get something like this right. Good luck to Jeff Horton while he is with the Gophers. Us Badgers owe him a debt of gratitude.
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Good post, especially about OL and DL. It always comes down to blocking and tackling.
 



Bankonit from Morts Tweets this morning:


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Dolphins QB coach David Lee is big technician, short stride, quick, short, high release. Things Tebow needs to improve.


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Problem for Tebow is if he's working hard to change fundamentals this week, he could struggle even more. But that's the process.


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Mike Martz demanded specific fundamentals 3 years ago @ Sr Bowl & QBs looked worse than they were. Downside & upside on a 1 week look.

Guess they don't teach fundy's in the NFL?
 


bankonit said:
If your college athletes need fundamentals taught to them they should not be on the field. Fundamentals are taught in pee wees and high school.
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If you are the "seniorest member" here, how did you manage to get through your life without learning anything?
 

Sumtimegophs said:
He's not a primate, therefore he is a good hire, much better than his predecessor who was the worst OC in the history of college football.
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He's not? Then what the hell is he?

Since every college coach in the history of time has been a primate, it would be a new and interesting development if the Gophers hired the first non-primate coach in college football history.
 






GopherGod said:
NO on the mulligan. On a positive note, Horton with his previous head coaching experience should be able to fill in nicely as an interim head coach when Brewster gets shown the door towards the end of next season.
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I swear we could be having a discussion about nuclear fusion and you would somehow try to relate it to and change it to a "Brewster sucks" thread. Sorry, but I'm starting to feel bad for you. Your life must be miserable being that you are negative all the time. Did someone steal your lunch a few years ago and you're still pissed off about that or something?
 

GopherGod said:
Hey Doogie, did you notice how no one in this thread is questioning your comments and challenging your source when you are telling them what they want to hear? I am guessing if your coaching friend had negative things to sa about Horton the posters would have been all over you.
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Just got back from New Orleans, so catching up on Gophers stuff ... it comes with the territory ... as I have said many times, I do my best to be fair, but my goal is not have everyone agree with me, it's to get people to think ... now this thread was just a quickie take from someone who has gotten to know Horton in the last two years well.
 

CDH27 said:
Doogie - Thanks for providing the initial insight, it is appreciated. What can your buddy share with us regarding Horton's experience calling plays, putting a game plan together and making adjustments during a game. It's great to hear that he is a good guy and works well with QB's, but I hope he can excel at all aspects of the OC position.
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Good questions ... will follow-up on in the next few days ... also saw someone in New Orleans that knows one of Horton's good coaching friends, so hope to bring something from him as well.
 

ButchNashGuy said:
Thanks Doogie. It is great to hear the insight from a close source about Horton. I really like the hire, very solid and should bring some coaching maturity to overall a young staff. Plus the connection to many other staff members should help with continuity.

Doogie, I know your dislike for Brew so for you to post something positive is easy for me to accept because it goes against of what imo is an agenda against him. That being said I know you want the program to do well like everyone (most everyone) on the board does despite our different views on things.
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Correct. My passion for Gophers football is second to none. I still have my doubts about Brew and next year's schedule (9-games vs. bowl-eligible teams from '09) scares me, but I am glad to hear positive things about this important hire.
 

Doogie said:
Just got back from New Orleans, so catching up on Gophers stuff ... it comes with the territory ... as I have said many times, I do my best to be fair, but my goal is not have everyone agree with me, it's to get people to think ... now this thread was just a quickie take from someone who has gotten to know Horton in the last two years well.
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You do understand the difference between you just posting a direct source vs posting hearsay vs posting an opinion on something you claim to know little about (football x's and o's).

This post makes me think you don't. I'm not a fan of gossiping. I've been a part of a community that has actually asked you to go out and do the leg work yourself (which by all accounts it seems like this post was).

Does that help?
 

monk10 -- When asked to provide my opinion, I will, and hopefully do an adequate job backing it up. When have I outright gossiped? Anything I have brought to this board was sourced out, and if I posted, then I feel good about those sources.
 

I understand that you provide your opinion. However there was no opinion presented in this thread. You were literally a messanger. Yet GG didn't get that and choose to attack the Gopherhole community. The part that was confusing is that you quoted it like you provided some opinion with your post.
 

monk10 said:
I understand that you provide your opinion. However there was no opinion presented in this thread. You were literally a messanger. Yet GG didn't get that and choose to attack the Gopherhole community. The part that was confusing is that you quoted it like you provided some opinion with your post.
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If you're going to go on about stuff that "GG didn't get" we're going to be here all night...
 

Wow that was some gud sppeling in that post by me. I honestly chuckle every time GG posts, because he tried so hard to sound like he knew Texas football mentality. I imagine he didn't expect someone like me who grew up in it to be posting here.
 

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