This Loss is On Tubby-More evidence that his best coaching days are behind him

that post is proof that pennys to spare is a moron. The gophs played a top ap top ten team into overtime the day after a overtime win as an underdog without Ralph. This loss says nothing bad about Tubby
 

Despite all the setbacks over the last 2+ years, he still has the team in shape to build off of this season. We've got a nice group of young guards coming up, Elliott and Mo for bigs, and an experienced 3-4 in Williams.

The team gave the Big Ten Co-champs all they could handle, with a lineup of mostly frosh and sophomores, and no senior presence on the floor. Not bad for a team with a preseason All-American on the bench.

There is some talent upcoming next year if everyone returns (not including Mbakwe--long shot) but I don't trust Tubby's ability to move the pieces around. There were more than six B1G wins to be had out of this roster this year. It would be fun to see Tubby take a team and actually over achieve. That's what makes coaches great.
 

that post is proof that pennys to spare is a moron. The gophs played a top ap top ten team into overtime the day after a overtime win as an underdog without Ralph. This loss says nothing bad about Tubby

Michigan had nothing to play for and was on a neutral court. They started the game quite disinterested. It was teed up for a gopher upset.
 

EE is a plowhorse not a workhorse. Should be a role player, not a starter.

Next year! The call to arms of all losers. Meanwhile the Badgers continue to kick our butt. Wasn't the great Tubby Smith supposed to lead us to the top of the Big Ten?
 

I refuse to lay all the blame on Tubby for this season or last. We lost too many key players along the way and we relied on either/or freshman or players playing out of their natural position.

I like how both Hollins play and last night, we saw a little more of how Rodney can play on both ends. He seemed much more aggressive and more "leader" like. Coleman is only going to get better...that's very apparent even to the casual fan. We have no more debbie-downer Sampson on the floor and honestly, the last 2 games I thought the players looked more relaxed without him on the floor.

Maroon and Gold colored glasses? Maybe, but I refuse to look at all the negatives when the negatives of ALL the players that we lost and went down with injuries is so apparent and not totally in Tubbys control. Sorry, some of those players left because they simply didn't get it THEIR way.

Go Gophers!
 


Most people from this forum and most people from the state are fed up with Tubby and are apathetic to Gopher basketball or haven't you been to the barn lately? It is a joke. Most left here are blind Tubby homers I am sorry to say. And I could care less who supports my opinions. They are mine, not others. Finally, I agree on Andre Hollins. I love the kid. What does that have to do with anything?

Obvious troll is obvious
 


+1,000,000

I thought some of our boys grew up in the tournament. I have a lot more hope this evening than I did a few days ago.

Dre is already solid and could be spectacular. EE is a workhorse. Oto is skllied and is gaining confidence.

Julian and Rodney should be able to provide some Senior leadership. Mo should be back.

I'm not predicting we will with the B1G next year, but we will win more than we lose, and we will go dancing. Both of those are going to be major steps forward, and definitely give me hope in the future of the program.

plus we have Tubby back!
 

Michigan had nothing to play for and was on a neutral court. They started the game quite disinterested. It was teed up for a gopher upset.

nothing to play for? what about a better seed in the ncaa tourney? you have got to be kidding me?
 



im not happy about what happened this season and tubby has to take the blame for that. imo tubby did an amazing job this year considering the circumstances, especially the last 2 games. with all the transfers and mbakwe getting hurt most believed we would be the bottom feeder in the conference. i know i did,. this is and was a rebuilding year especially after the mbakwe injury. mingg, did you expect a championship considering all the crap that went on this last year?

tubby is a good coach and i am not a person that wants him fired unless we have a rock star coach and staff in place to replace him. 2 yrs ago we make the big ten championship, last year we lose our entire team, this year we have no seniors playing in the big ten tourney and we take a top ten team to the wire with a freshman leading the charge. im excited for tubby and this teams future.
 

More evidence

Mental breakdowns on defense....

no point guard recruited. dre is NOT a point guard. If I were him, I would transfer to a school with an established coach and a point guard. Dre can be a stud.
Why can't this team Execute to close out a game? They are playing "not to lose" and scared to make a mistake. That is on coaching. Tubby should work the refs and Austin Hollins fouls should have been protested via Bobby Knight style. Maybe, maybe,maybe we would have gotten a make-up call.....
The chemistry on this team is questionable. Even Gus Johnson commented on this during the Northwestern game. No-one on the bench is fired up and enthusiastic, they do not look like they are having fun and loose....this environment that is created is on coaching..... .
 

More evidence

Mental breakdowns on defense....

no point guard recruited. dre is NOT a point guard. If I were him, I would transfer to a school with an established coach and a point guard. Dre can be a stud.
Why can't this team Execute to close out a game? They are playing "not to lose" and scared to make a mistake. That is on coaching. Tubby should work the refs and Austin Hollins fouls should have been protested via Bobby Knight style. Maybe, maybe,maybe we would have gotten a make-up call.....
The chemistry on this team is questionable. Even Gus Johnson commented on this during the Northwestern game. No-one on the bench is fired up and enthusiastic, they do not look like they are having fun and loose....this environment that is created is on coaching..... .

why is he not a pg?
 

He is a scorer, not a passer and ball handler. He would be so much better with a true point guard.
 



millions 2 spare... do you have any eligibility left? Maybe you can play PG for the Gophers. Then Dre can move to the 2 and you will be happy. Oh wait he needs to transfer.
 


The little things often time is the difference between winning and losing. With this same team coached by Bo Ryan or Tom Izzo, the Gophers win at least 11 in the Big ten. A couple "little thing" examples that make a difference....

Poor discipline on defense- How do we leave a guy wide open for a 3 at the end of regulation?

Up 9 points with 4:27 to play--- good coaches find ways to win these games. This is not the first time this has happened this year.

Why cant we execute verses a zone? We have struggled all year vs a zone.

Why doesn't Tubby work the refs more. Dre was fouled at the end of Regulation. We needed a couple make-up calls.
Izzo, Bo Ryan, all work the refs.

I could list many more........... I will wait until next year when we get more of the same...........

Really!? You're that stupid!? They are a young team and will make fewer of those mistakes next year and the coming years. The mistakes I saw were because they were too young. Too much help defense, too little help defense, turnovers in the second half, etc. all were because they are young. No other reason. Stop trying to blame everything on Tubby. You know nothing about basketball at all! Worst poster on this board by far.
 

nothing to play for? what about a better seed in the ncaa tourney? you have got to be kidding me?

Nope. Not kidding. As the co-B1G champs they were already going to be a high seed. They had much less to play for than the gophers.
 

Central Gopher, I am sorry you disagree with my opinion. I think Doogie, Spencer Tollackson, and many others agree that this team plays scared and that is on coaching. This was not the first time this happened this year. How do you explain that they leave a guy wide open for a 3 pointer and collapse with 3 guys in the lane at the end of regulation? I hope they do not offer Tubby an extension. He has zero leverage unless VCU comes calling and I would wave him goodbye!
 

Because he doesn't have the vision, the handles or the court sense. I know you may have forgotten what a legit pg looks like since Tubby hasn't recruited many, but Andre is a scoring guard, a shooting guard, a two guard. We wins today with a true pg.

Not true. People that use the phrase 'true pg' don't understand basketball.
 


9194gophs.....the truth is very hard to chew on isn't it. Why do you settle for mediocrity? If you are this way in your life I feel pity for you
 

Us? We celebrate mediocrity with pride. Look at the number of close games NW lost this year. Good coaches win close games.

Yeah, I can't believe above-average fans who are on their team's message board and spend a lot of time here would dare to try to be positive. People who are positive are just celebrating mediocrity. Everyone should just mope around all day long.

The "accepting mediocrity" argument really gets old. I choose to be positive. I can't imagine being someone who is constantly negative. That's got to be tough to be a fan like that.

I bet if we did a poll question here asking if we go 6-12 next year, should Tubby be fired, I bet most would say yes (including myself). So how is it that so many people accept mediocrity? I don't get it.
 

Point guard,shooting guard everyone is too caught up in this. Clem said one time Bobby Jackson was a guard. The labels are for people who don't know basketball. Frankly I would like to have three so called point guards on the floor at once. Most guards are combo guards now simplely because of the three and how it has changed the game. Feeding the post isnt as important as it once was. What the Gophers need more than anything is guards who can handle the ball and shoot. Point guard ,shooting guard, two guard, swingman, whatever you want to call them. Dre is a good start and hopefully Austin becomes a more complete guard as time goes on. Our backcourt has chance to be very good.
 

Point guard,shooting guard everyone is too caught up in this. Clem said one time Bobby Jackson was a guard. The labels are for people who don't know basketball. Frankly I would like to have three so called point guards on the floor at once. Most guards are combo guards now simplely because of the three and how it has changed the game. Feeding the post isnt as important as it once was. What the Gophers need more than anything is guards who can handle the ball and shoot. Point guard ,shooting guard, two guard, swingman, whatever you want to call them. Dre is a good start and hopefully Austin becomes a more complete guard as time goes on. Our backcourt has chance to be very good.
This is a great post.
 

Tubby is the greatest coach ever! Don't be a hater!

All this talk is the same kind of talk that we criticized UK fans for, when they got rid of Tubby! Don't be haters like the UK fans were when they said Tubby couldn't coach! I luv the Tub!!!
 

1. Saying Michigan had nothing to play for is just plain idiotic. Sorry. There is a huge difference between a 2 seed and a 3 seed. A loss to the Gophers last night makes them a 3 seed, possibly even a 4. They win the BTT, and they are most likely a 2 seed.

2. I don't know where people got the idea that PGs can't be scorers. People saying this are giving not-so-subtle indications that their basketball knowledge is lacking. I'm not necessarily saying that Andre is a PG (though I think he is), but people saying that someone with a scorer's mentality can't be a PG are just not basketball savvy.
 

More evidence

Mental breakdowns on defense....

no point guard recruited. dre is NOT a point guard. If I were him, I would transfer to a school with an established coach and a point guard. Dre can be a stud.
Why can't this team Execute to close out a game? They are playing "not to lose" and scared to make a mistake. That is on coaching. Tubby should work the refs and Austin Hollins fouls should have been protested via Bobby Knight style. Maybe, maybe,maybe we would have gotten a make-up call.....
The chemistry on this team is questionable. Even Gus Johnson commented on this during the Northwestern game. No-one on the bench is fired up and enthusiastic, they do not look like they are having fun and loose....this environment that is created is on coaching..... .
Were we watching the same game?

Nope. Not kidding. As the co-B1G champs they were already going to be a high seed. They had much less to play for than the gophers.
They did have less to play for, however I strongly suspect they wanted the game. You wouldn't want a rubber match with Ohio State to see who's who?
 

9194gophs.....the truth is very hard to chew on isn't it. Why do you settle for mediocrity? If you are this way in your life I feel pity for you

I am so sick of this stupid "accepting mediocrity" crap. It's just used by people who want Tubby gone to passive-aggressively say that you're wrong if you don't agree with them. Gotta love how you guys think that anyone who doesn't want the coach fired immediately is totally cool with going 6-12 in conference and hopes we can go 6-12 next year too.

We all (claim to) want what is best for the team. I think most of us agree things have not gone as well as we had hoped. It seems to me the difference between those who want Tubby fired and those who want to keep him is what we believe the cause of our last couple of lackluster seasons. We want Tubby to stay for the same reason you want him out, because we believe it is what is best for the team.

I'm not sure if some of you realize this, but pretty soon we will be ending our third consecutive season without playing even a single game with a full squad. Minnesota vs. Texas, 3/19/09 in Tubby's first NCAA tournament game was the last time we played with a full squad. At the beginning of the next season, the 2009-10 season, two newcomers, and probably the best players on the team, Royce White and Trevor Mbakwe, were suspended for the full season, and Al Nolen was ruled academically ineligible even after a waiver was applied for because he was reportedly experiencing family issues.

In the 2010-11 season, Oto Osieniks did not pass through the NCAA clearinghouse, and Devoe Joseph was suspended for the first 6 games of the season, the game he came back, against Virginia, Al Nolen sat out with a foot injury. By the time Devoe and Al Nolen saw the court together for the first time that season, Mo Walker had torn a ligament which took him out for the rest of last season and most of this season before the coaching staff decided to redshirt him this year. That January, Devoe Joseph transferred to Oregon, and about a week later, Nolen suffered a foot injury at Michigan that would take him out for the rest of the season.

Going into the 2011-12 season, Mo Walker was still out, and then 6 games in, our all-conference power forward and senior leader Trevor Mbakwe tore his ACL and was out for the rest of the season. Welch also sat out for a couple of games, as has Ralph these past two (which is part of why last night has me excited for next year: every Gopher who played last night is (in theory) back for next season).

I see all these mostly injury-related setbacks as the reason we haven't done well, other people look at all this and see poor coaching as the main reason we haven't done well, and think another coach would have done better given the exact same circumstances. And looking back, our first 5 and a half games this season are actually the only ones we've played since Texas in the 2009 tournament that we haven't had at least TWO players sitting out. I want to see how Tubby does with a full squad, no clearinghouse issues, no midseason transfers, no injuries, ya know, the way most teams play most years, without their best and/or most important players on the bench.

I want to see Tubby succeed because I am a fan of the Minnesota Golden Gophers basketball team, and I think he will based on how well we did before the plethora of injuries and transfers in the last 2 or 3 seasons. I want to keep him here because I think, right now, him staying is our best hope for success, not because I "accept mediocrity."
 

I am so sick of this stupid "accepting mediocrity" crap. It's just used by people who want Tubby gone to passive-aggressively say that you're wrong if you don't agree with them. Gotta love how you guys think that anyone who doesn't want the coach fired immediately is totally cool with going 6-12 in conference and hopes we can go 6-12 next year too.

We all (claim to) want what is best for the team. I think most of us agree things have not gone as well as we had hoped. It seems to me the difference between those who want Tubby fired and those who want to keep him is what we believe the cause of our last couple of lackluster seasons. We want Tubby to stay for the same reason you want him out, because we believe it is what is best for the team.

I'm not sure if some of you realize this, but pretty soon we will be ending our third consecutive season without playing even a single game with a full squad. Minnesota vs. Texas, 3/19/09 in Tubby's first NCAA tournament game was the last time we played with a full squad. At the beginning of the next season, the 2009-10 season, two newcomers, and probably the best players on the team, Royce White and Trevor Mbakwe, were suspended for the full season, and Al Nolen was ruled academically ineligible even after a waiver was applied for because he was reportedly experiencing family issues.

In the 2010-11 season, Oto Osieniks did not pass through the NCAA clearinghouse, and Devoe Joseph was suspended for the first 6 games of the season, the game he came back, against Virginia, Al Nolen sat out with a foot injury. By the time Devoe and Al Nolen saw the court together for the first time that season, Mo Walker had torn a ligament which took him out for the rest of last season and most of this season before the coaching staff decided to redshirt him this year. That January, Devoe Joseph transferred to Oregon, and about a week later, Nolen suffered a foot injury at Michigan that would take him out for the rest of the season.

Going into the 2011-12 season, Mo Walker was still out, and then 6 games in, our all-conference power forward and senior leader Trevor Mbakwe tore his ACL and was out for the rest of the season. Welch also sat out for a couple of games, as has Ralph these past two (which is part of why last night has me excited for next year: every Gopher who played last night is (in theory) back for next season).

I see all these mostly injury-related setbacks as the reason we haven't done well, other people look at all this and see poor coaching as the main reason we haven't done well, and think another coach would have done better given the exact same circumstances. And looking back, our first 5 and a half games this season are actually the only ones we've played since Texas in the 2009 tournament that we haven't had at least TWO players sitting out. I want to see how Tubby does with a full squad, no clearinghouse issues, no midseason transfers, no injuries, ya know, the way most teams play most years, without their best and/or most important players on the bench.

I want to see Tubby succeed because I am a fan of the Minnesota Golden Gophers basketball team, and I think he will based on how well we did before the plethora of injuries and transfers in the last 2 or 3 seasons. I want to keep him here because I think, right now, him staying is our best hope for success, not because I "accept mediocrity."

+1 Can't say it any better than that!
 

1. Saying Michigan had nothing to play for is just plain idiotic. Sorry. There is a huge difference between a 2 seed and a 3 seed. A loss to the Gophers last night makes them a 3 seed, possibly even a 4. They win the BTT, and they are most likely a 2 seed.

2. I don't know where people got the idea that PGs can't be scorers. People saying this are giving not-so-subtle indications that their basketball knowledge is lacking. I'm not necessarily saying that Andre is a PG (though I think he is), but people saying that someone with a scorer's mentality can't be a PG are just not basketball savvy.

Not idiotic at all. A team that is trying to get in the tourney has a helluva lot more to play for than a team that is playing for the difference between a 2 seed and a 3 seed, particularly when you are talking about a group of 18-21 yer olds. Toss in a half full neutral arena and a key player like Tim Hardaway Jr., who thinks he's much better than he is and doesn't always play hard, and you have the ingredients for a gopher upset.
 




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