The Portal and the xDSU’s

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I certainly look at offer lists when we pickup guys, but I'm a fan and I do not know these players.

But I'm pretty sure the coaches on most teams DO NOT CARE where the player is from. It's all:

1. Is he a good prospect?

2. Can we get him?

If it turns out we don't take any form some schools, doesn't matter.
 

I think we’re headed toward an era of college football where 3*s don’t ever go to ANY P4 school right out of high-school. They will have to record stats in a G6/FCS school to get a roster spot.
 

Goldmember said:
I think we’re headed toward an era of college football where 3*s don’t ever go to ANY P4 school right out of high-school. They will have to record stats in a G6/FCS school to get a roster spot.
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That's a very good point, but I think maybe exaggerated a bit. When you're bringing in portal guys, that would seem to reduce the number of 3*s you need to "settle for". Those guys go to lower programs and portal up if they prove they are worth it. I just don't think there are enough 4*s available to fill a recruiting class especially at a place like Minnesota. We will see!
 

GopherGrit said:
Hate to say it ... but would an NDSU player who is good enough to portal up to the Big Ten ... choose to come to Minnesota?

My guess is they would say something like "... then why didn't you recruit me in the first place?"
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Nor did Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska or Iowa St.
 

minnyrules11 said:
Nor did Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska or Iowa St.
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A lot of the xDSU talent comes from Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska. The guys that have left these schools haven't been loyal to our headed towards their home states when they've left.
 


Sparlimb said:
We need to upgrade talent, not stay even. Getting kids looking for playing time from Georgia and Alabama seems like a much better idea.
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I'd be interested in seeing the recruiting template for the Gophers. How do we sell the Gophers program to recruits? How to we respond to objections to being UM students? How to we keep improving the pitch?
 

LeftofThaDial said:
Anyone else surprised we haven’t been able to bring in any talent from NDSU or SDSU? While our region doesn’t produce a lot of p4 talent, it does produce the pipeline for the best of FCS. NDSU’s last 4 LT’s have been drafted, and are either still in the NFL, or had decent careers. 3 played HS in Minnesota, 1
in SD. NDSU’s current LT is a RS SO from Spring Lake Park.
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I would guess many of the players at NDSU/SDSU were ignored by UMN
 





LeftofThaDial said:
The same way Phillip Daniels was ignored by Ohio State. Yet he went home for what we all can guess was more money.
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I don't disagree on $$ being a factor, but probably not the only factor. I imagine a kid like Daniels was hoping all along to go to tOSU. They may not have been sure he was ready and didn't want to commit a roster spot for a Fr development prospect. Once he showed he could play at P4/B10 level, and fill a needed spot immediately OSU became interested and Daniels jumped at the chance.
 

WHB Brewer said:
I don't disagree on $$ being a factor, but probably not the only factor. I imagine a kid like Daniels was hoping all along to go to tOSU. They may not have been sure he was ready and didn't want to commit a roster spot for a Fr development prospect. Once he showed he could play at P4/B10 level, and fill a needed spot immediately OSU became interested and Daniels jumped at the chance.
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Exactly, so how would that be different from a Minnesota kid going to a FCS school, playing well, and getting paid more to leave and go the U?
 

WHB Brewer said:
I don't disagree on $$ being a factor, but probably not the only factor. I imagine a kid like Daniels was hoping all along to go to tOSU. They may not have been sure he was ready and didn't want to commit a roster spot for a Fr development prospect. Once he showed he could play at P4/B10 level, and fill a needed spot immediately OSU became interested and Daniels jumped at the chance.
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Feel like this loss is as big as Buck"o" Irving. Wonder how this Offensive Line would have been better with Daniels starting and would have helped running game.
 

SeaBee_Gopher said:
That's a very good point, but I think maybe exaggerated a bit. When you're bringing in portal guys, that would seem to reduce the number of 3*s you need to "settle for". Those guys go to lower programs and portal up if they prove they are worth it. I just don't think there are enough 4*s available to fill a recruiting class especially at a place like Minnesota. We will see!
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I think the changes with transfer era, i turns into a need for better roster management. We can't afford to go Portal shopping every year. Eventually we will wind up following the Ben Johnson annual dumpster dive to fill a roster. No longer can you commit 25% of the roster to RS guys who can't contribute until 1-2 years down the road (or just leave). No longer can you just cast a net and bring in 25+ bodies every year and hope they can play at some point down the road. Roster management will, be crucial for EVERY position. show each player their path to playing time to keep them engaged/retained. As an example roster (mis)management, if you listen to GGR and Ryan Burns, he lays it pretty simple how our OL issues are related to very poor OL recruiting for several years in a row and bad choices in the transfer portal this year.
 



LeftofThaDial said:
I’m a Gopher fan, unlike alot of the fatalistic people on here I’m trying to think of the few advantages our program has. We can offer BiG Ten rev share money that NDSU can’t. Those programs have no say if they are feeder programs, much like we had no say on being a feeder program for Bucky to Oregon. Texas Tech has a starting safety from NDSU. Miami, MIAMI!! the RB factory! Their second string RB is from NDSU.
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Is there anyone from the DSU that we went hard after in the portal? Can't think of anyone we actually landed
 


The Deliberate Stranger said:
Is there anyone from the DSU that we went hard after in the portal? Can't think of anyone we actually landed
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Until last winter, SDSU had been very resilient against the portal, and nearly all those guys went to Wazzu. NDSU has not had a ton of portal transfers, either.
 


swede2 said:
SDSU doesn't have any high end talent right now but point taken.

So the guys the Dakota schools are putting in the league wouldn't be an upgrade over the guys here that go on to sell insurance?

Your RB, Larry Phillips Jr is going to get very impressive FBS offers if he wants them.

Former SDSU WR Griffen Wilde and offensive lineman Evan Beerntsen are at Northwestern. Not the most attractive landing spot spot. Granted, the OC and line coaches are former SDSU coaches.

SDSU QB Gronowski and defensive lineman Hawthorne are at Iowa. Hawthorne's brother played here.
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Fair examples, though Northwestern has a bit more academic cachet that Iowa or Minnesota.

My specific claim was about NDSU and Minnesota, though. In particular for Minnesota and North Dakota players ... to me the SDSU example that would ring most true would be a kid who grew up in Iowa, was spurned by Iowa, went to SDSU, and then transferred back to Iowa.
 

btowngopher said:
People seem to think every Dakota player was an overlooked kid from MN. If they’re good enough to play here they’ll have other offers. Us being located closer probably isn’t a powerful draw for the many that aren’t from MN.
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And of course Menz on the current roster, we found him, offered him, and so far it's working out.
 

Grey Zabel, a top nfl rookie was asked in a Seattle media interview about staying at his committed school throughout his college career vs taking more money elsewhere.

He said that the same 3 FBS schools that said he was too small as a HS senior (6’6 240) came calling for his senior year of college. Likely some combo of NE, WI, IA MN, but he didn’t say. He said he felt some loyalty to the school that developed him vs taking the top dollar offer. He got $10k he said he put into his farm.

Really depends on the individual . . . Others might have taken the top $ offer, Zabel didn’t. By his senior year he was a 1st or 2nd day draft projection (went in 1st Rd) also, which might have impacted his decision.
 

swede2 said:
A lot of the xDSU talent comes from Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska. The guys that have left these schools haven't been loyal to our headed towards their home states when they've left.
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NDSU gets very few guys out of Iowa. Don't know what the deal is with that ... but has always been true. ND, SD, MN, and Wisc are their bread and butter and have been for a long time. Lot of in-roads with high school programs in those states.
 

GopherGrit said:
NDSU gets very few guys out of Iowa. Don't know what the deal is with that ... but has always been true. ND, SD, MN, and Wisc are their bread and butter and have been for a long time. Lot of in-roads with high school programs in those states.
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Omaha has been an area they have gotten top end talent from too.
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
And likely statistics would show ... the vast majority should have been "ignored".
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Yeah, there are always going to be FCS level players that develop into Power 4 level players but that doesn't mean they were missed in high school, it just means they probably didn't project as a Power 4 player due to size or some other factor. Recruiting is a very inexact science.

Don't have any data on it but my assumption would be the vast majority of FCS level players out of high school spend their entire career at the FCS level.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Yeah, there are always going to be FCS level players that develop into Power 4 level players but that doesn't mean they were missed in high school, it just means they probably didn't project as a Power 4 player due to size or some other factor. Recruiting is a very inexact science.

Don't have any data on it but my assumption would be the vast majority of FCS level players out of high school spend their entire career at the FCS level.
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If you have a HS O lineman in your state that finished 2nd in state in wrestling. And wins state in shot put, then goes to the top FCS program in the country, and plays as a true freshman. I think you can call that a miss. NDSU has produced more than double the amount of NFL O Linemen compared to the U of M over PJ’s tenure. The majority are Minnesota kids that never had an offer.
 

LeftofThaDial said:
If you have a HS O lineman in your state that finished 2nd in state in wrestling. And wins state in shot put, then goes to the top FCS program in the country, and plays as a true freshman. I think you can call that a miss. NDSU has produced more than double the amount of NFL O Linemen compared to the U of M over PJ’s tenure. The majority are Minnesota kids that never had an offer.
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They’ve had exactly one more drafted during Fleck’s tenure, and only one was from Minnesota. Still not great, but you’re exaggerating the numbers. And yes we can call Babatz a miss especially considering who they did sign in that class.
 

laazrakit said:
Well, every year there are 20-30 Minnesota kids on the NDSU roster... so it's not really all that far-fetched a thing to say.
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And how many have been B1G quality lately, and of those have any of them actually transferred?
 

btowngopher said:
They’ve had exactly one more drafted during Fleck’s tenure, and only one was from Minnesota. Still not great, but you’re exaggerating the numbers. And yes we can call Babatz a miss especially considering who they did sign in that class.
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I said produced more NFL O lineman, not drafted. NDSU has had 4 lineman drafted to our 3, they have had 5 UDFA to our 1. 9 to 4. 5 of those 9 NDSU lineman are Minnesota kids that had little interest from the only FBS school in the area.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Yeah, there are always going to be FCS level players that develop into Power 4 level players but that doesn't mean they were missed in high school, it just means they probably didn't project as a Power 4 player due to size or some other factor. Recruiting is a very inexact science.

Don't have any data on it but my assumption would be the vast majority of FCS level players out of high school spend their entire career at the FCS level.
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I think that a lot of high end FCS talent needed the FCS to develop. They needed the opportunity to develop and then thrive against similar talent. Likely to have been buried on an FBS roster when lining up against initially superior talent.
 

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