The most underrated quarterback in each college football conference (Big Ten: Drake Lindsey, MN)

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Clairemont Gopher said:
Hard to work on mobility. Kind of like learning to be fast. He just has heavy legs but might be able to speed up his coverage recognition and get the ball out a little quicker. Receivers that can separate would help.
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I guess I would call it more like pocket presence. There have been plenty of QBs who were not "mobile" but had that sense of when to move to extend the play.
 

PMWinSTP said:
I guess I would call it more like pocket presence. There have been plenty of QBs who were not "mobile" but had that sense of when to move to extend the play.
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Yes, that would describe guys like Brady, Marino and Jurgensen, among others, who were extremely successful without being blessed with superior athleticism.
 

Clairemont Gopher said:
I never said Cousins is/was was an agile quarterback but he is not an apt candidate for the far end of the mobility scale. For that distinction I would pick someone like Vinny Testaverde. Guys like Brady and Marino were far from nifty but they could take a strategic step or two to get off a throw. Better conditioning could push Lindsey into that group. Also, as I said before, I think Lindsey will get better at recognizing coverages quickly with more experience and maybe he will have better targets. These will help him get rid of the ball sooner and hopefully minimize the effects of his heavy legs.
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It depends on where you want to draw the line. I say Cousins is immobile, you disagree. There are greater tragedies in the world.
 

Didn't Drake have a couple of key runs to win games last year? Not fast but he knows what he can do both with his arm and legs.
 



MNVCGUY said:
College takes sack yardage from rushing total, NFL takes it from passing total. In my opinion the NFL does it right because a sack happens on a pass play.
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Totally hear you on the sack yardage thing. I think the NFL’s way makes more sense. My point was just about showing the actual college rushing output of each guy so we’re comparing 4 years of apples to 1 year of apples on mobility, not critiquing your stat logic at all.

Drake was -113 but with 4 TDs in his single year. Cousins was -12 (5 games), +60, -136, -39 in his four college years with 1 rushing TD. I would not call him mobile in college.
 

Unregistered User said:
Totally hear you on the sack yardage thing. I think the NFL’s way makes more sense. My point was just about showing the actual college rushing output of each guy so we’re comparing 4 years of apples to 1 year of apples on mobility, not critiquing your stat logic at all.

Drake was -113 but with 4 TDs in his single year. Cousins was -12 (5 games), +60, -136, -39 in his four college years with 1 rushing TD. I would not call him mobile in college.
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Running is definitely not a big part of Cousins game as evidenced by his 2.8 yards per carry average in the NFL.
 

Drake is never going to be very mobile. He is what he is. A pocket passer with a good arm and size. Hope the line can protect him this season and he can rifle the ball all over the field.
 






Clairemont Gopher said:
Yes, that would describe guys like Brady, Marino and Jurgensen, among others, who were extremely successful without being blessed with superior athleticism.
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Brady was so good. Slow as dirt but commanded the pocket so well. I miss watching those cold winter playoff games at Foxboro while he operates.
 

MNVCGUY said:
College takes sack yardage from rushing total, NFL takes it from passing total. In my opinion the NFL does it right because a sack happens on a pass play.
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It's funny either way. You loose yardage from your passing stats even though you didn't throw a pass on the play. Like, you could complete one pass for 10 yards, then get sacked a bunch and have a stat line of negative yards even though your only attempted pass was completed for 10 yards.

Maybe just not subtract sack yardage from anything, just count it as it's own stat? Interception returns don't get subtracted from passing yardage, and that seems a more viable thing than subtracting sack yardage.
 




GopherTheJugular said:
It's funny either way. You loose yardage from your passing stats even though you didn't throw a pass on the play. Like, you could complete one pass for 10 yards, then get sacked a bunch and have a stat line of negative yards even though your only attempted pass was completed for 10 yards.

Maybe just not subtract sack yardage from anything, just count it as it's own stat? Interception returns don't get subtracted from passing yardage, and that seems a more viable thing than subtracting sack yardage.
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Disagree on the interception yardage. Interception for a QB is the equivalent of an incomplete pass even though someone on the other team caught it.

The yardage has to be taken from somewhere on a sack (don't think it is worth its own category) and to me the NFL way makes more sense.

Every play is either a pass, run or kick in the NFL. The odd quirk with the NFL way of counting the stat is that if you get sacked it counts against your passing yards but if you evade a sack and scramble for positive yardage it becomes a run play and counts towards those stats. But I still like the NFL way of counting it.
 

BTChamp said:
There's nothing thrilling about steak? This vegan hippie is a true dink and/or commie and obviously knows nothing about football.
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I like Fornelli's takes usually, but he thought Minnesota was a run to setup the pass type of offense last year. Saying that Lindsey wasn't asked to do much but to hand off and take shots off play action is completely clueless.
 


gopherbadgerman said:
lol. They were way better. Especially yards per attempt.
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lol. No they weren’t. He had a higher yards per attempt but lower completion percentage and over twice as high of an interception rate.

There were 21 Big Ten QBs last year that had at least 100 attempts. Joseph’s completion percentage would have been better than only 2 of them. While playing against lower competition.
 

GophersInIowa said:
lol. No they weren’t. He had a higher yards per attempt but lower completion percentage and over twice as high of an interception rate.

There were 21 Big Ten QBs last year that had at least 100 attempts. Joseph’s completion percentage would have been better than only 2 of them. While playing against lower competition.
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He had more yards and TD's on 100 less attempts
His QB Rating was 25+ points higher
His QBR was 41st vs Drake's 64th.

If the numbers were switched you would say the same thing.

I agree it was against worse competition do doubt and who knows if he will translate his game to a higher level. I would also take Drake over him any day of the week.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
He had more yards and TD's on 100 less attempts
His QB Rating was 25+ points higher
His QBR was 41st vs Drake's 64th.

If the numbers were switched you would say the same thing.

I agree it was against worse competition do doubt and who knows if he will translate his game to a higher level. I would also take Drake over him any day of the week.
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QBR includes his running numbers which were much better. I was talking about passing only.

Old Dominion ran the ball over 63% of the time while averaging 5.6 yards a carry compared to the 3.6 for the Gophers. Of course his yards per attempt are going to be higher. His higher TDs are erased by his significantly higher INT rate. You're pointing out the areas Joseph was better while ignoring the areas he was worse. When you compare the important numbers, it's pretty much a wash (or at least very close).
 

GophersInIowa said:
QBR includes his running numbers which were much better. I was talking about passing only.

Old Dominion ran the ball over 63% of the time while averaging 5.6 yards a carry compared to the 3.6 for the Gophers. Of course his yards per attempt are going to be higher. His higher TDs are erased by his significantly higher INT rate. You're pointing out the areas Joseph was better while ignoring the areas he was worse. When you compare the important numbers, it's pretty much a wash (or at least very close).
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We can agree to disagree on whose numbers were better. Yes Drake had less picks.

Personally I think yards per attempt are an important stat. But that’s just me.

Regardless I’d take Drake. I really like his potential.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
We can agree to disagree on whose numbers were better. Yes Drake had less picks.

Personally I think yards per attempt are an important stat. But that’s just me.

Regardless I’d take Drake. I really like his potential.
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I didn't suggest otherwise. It is an important stat. But it's not the only important stat is all I'm saying.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I didn't suggest otherwise. It is an important stat. But it's not the only important stat is all I'm saying.
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Yes there are lots of them and I agree turnovers are a big one as well.

Regardless of what I think or you think I am guessing we both hope Drake keeps improving and has a really good season.
 

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