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The Brewmaster said:
Weber's poor play in the first halves of the first two games are being overlooked. His inability to throw accurately 10-15 yards from scrimmage prevented the team from extending drives and putting points on the scoreboard. Even mediocre play by him the first half against MTSU puts the game away. He was similarly awful in the first half against SDU, stalling drives and helping lead to a first half deficit.

This post ultimately has nothing to do with Brewster, unless you blame Weber's first half woes on the coach. I'm just sick of people arguing that, based on his overall game stats, Weber is not the problem. He absolutely is.
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Completely agree. 21-31 is a pretty good line against Iowa or Penn State, but not against South Dakota. The O-line was the one group that played well the entire game, and Weber had all day to throw every time the team passed. Throwing 10 incomplete passes against a team with an awful d-line and a slower, smaller secondary when you face almost no pressure is not a good game. He also turned the ball over twice. Weber wasn't as bad as our defensive backs, but he was brutal in the first half and not good enough in the second half.
 

I need someone with some serious photshop skills to create a weber myth engineer. It doesn't seem like if the myth is valid or not, works or not, as long as you just keep saying it.

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Tarver's Mustache Comb said:
I think he's subject to more criticism because of it. For a couple of reasons:

1) We know what Weber is. He's an ok QB at best. He hasn't improved much over the 4 years he's been here. Is he the best player right now? Maybe, but he's gone after this year and we've got no one else with any experience for the following years. If this is a 3-4 win team like it looks to be, why not get a QB out there learning on the job?

2) Gray was a big time recruit. This spring was supposedly an "open" tryout at QB but I'm sure most of this new this was just a ploy to motivate Weber and keep Gray happy. They've moved Gray to WR now and say he's still the backup and the QB of the future...we'll see I guess. I think that's a bad move in and of itself and would rather have him concentrating on one position. How many 4 star recruits are going to look at Gray's situation and say to themselves, "I better not go there"?

3) If Gray isn't ready or if he has no chance to be better than Weber out there, isn't that somewhat Brewster's fault too? The system (whatever it is this week) and player development are his responsibility, right? In fact, we've had some of the best recruiting classes in a long time with Brew, but are we seeing those players develop enough?
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+1
 


chi-town gopher said:
Completely agree. 21-31 is a pretty good line against Iowa or Penn State, but not against South Dakota. The O-line was the one group that played well the entire game, and Weber had all day to throw every time the team passed. Throwing 10 incomplete passes against a team with an awful d-line and a slower, smaller secondary when you face almost no pressure is not a good game. He also turned the ball over twice. Weber wasn't as bad as our defensive backs, but he was brutal in the first half and not good enough in the second half.
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Weber should have made the recievers hold onto the ball when it was right in their hands.
 




RodentRampage said:
Weber should have made the recievers hold onto the ball when it was right in their hands.
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I saw two that you could completely blame on the WR, most notably the pass to Euree that would have been a TD. Do you disagree with my point that 21-31 with 2 turnovers is not a good game against a team like South Dakota?
 

I think 70% is good no matter who you play.

There's no factual support for Weber hating based on this year.

That's really the end of the discussion. Don't worry though, it's a long season there will be something for you eventually.
 



Wow. Too many people have forgotten that Weber coughed up two fumbles at crucial moments during the loss last Saturday. A 15th year Senior should know better. He and the appauling lack of any defense whatsoever are to blame for the loss on the field. Weber apparently has more balls than brains based off of those plays, and it's not like this is something new.

I commented during the past couple of years that if Brewster stuck with Weber it'd likely be his downfall. I know there are a ton of excuses that people can throw out there for Weber, but the fact is he's not a winner. When the game (or 3rd down) is on the line he fails more times than he succeeds, and you just can't have that at the QB position.

I couldn't care less if Gray couldn't hit the broad side of a Texas-sized barn, his athleticism would have outweighed the poor defensive performance last Saturday and I believe the Gophers would have won. I know there's no way to know this for sure, but if you have the choice between a hopelessly mediocre QB and an unknown with superior athleticism it's a better idea to go with the unknown at the college level. What's the worst case scenario? He fails? Even then, you still have Mr. Mediocre to come to the attempted rescue.

So, yes. Most definitely. I believe Brewster allegiance to Weber (for whatever reason) will be one of the main reasons for losing his job.
 

Schnoodler said:
I think 70% is good no matter who you play.

There's no factual support for Weber hating based on this year.

That's really the end of the discussion. Don't worry though, it's a long season there will be something for you eventually.
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I guess I just disagree. I'm not saying he is the only problem or the even biggest problem, but two bad fumbles and mediocre passing numbers against a brutal defense doesn't completely excuse him just because his own defense let him down. If they score instead of fumble going into half, momentum shifts and there is no 28-10 hole to dig out of in the 3rd quarter. The fumble in the 4th quarter was obviously huge as well.
 

chi-town gopher said:
I guess I just disagree. I'm not saying he is the only problem or the even biggest problem, but two bad fumbles and mediocre passing numbers against a brutal defense doesn't completely excuse him just because his own defense let him down. If they score instead of fumble going into half, momentum shifts and there is no 28-10 hole to dig out of in the 3rd quarter. The fumble in the 4th quarter was obviously huge as well.
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This. Absolutely this. As a Senior "leader" you just can't cough the ball up like that in those situations and expect your team to win.
 

anyone else find it ironic that the best case for weber being benched in favor of gray is his fumbling?
 



bigtenchamps1899 said:
anyone else find it ironic that the best case for weber being benched in favor of gray is his fumbling?
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And his superior athleticism. And the fact that the plan for this offense was to grind it out on the ground. So what makes your running game even better?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?







That's right. A mobile QB.
 

[censored] said:
Wow. Too many people have forgotten that Weber coughed up two fumbles at crucial moments during the loss last Saturday. A 15th year Senior should know better. He and the appauling lack of any defense whatsoever are to blame for the loss on the field
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No one has forgotten that he fumbled. But Weber is unequivocably not to blame for this loss. If anyone is forgetting anything, it is you for forgetting that 21/31 for 258 yards and 3 TD is not bad at all. The defense played unimaginably badly. Weber kept us in game.

And Weber is not a 15th year Senior.
 

[censored] said:
And his superior athleticism. And the fact that the plan for this offense was to grind it out on the ground. So what makes your running game even better?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?







That's right. A mobile QB.
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so your answer is no, you don't find it ironic?
 

So a QB who was the leading rusher for two straight years isn't mobile? Interesting.
 



RodentRampage said:
No one has forgotten that he fumbled. But Weber is unequivocably not to blame for this loss. If anyone is forgetting anything, it is you for forgetting that 21/31 for 258 yards and 3 TD is not bad at all. The defense played unimaginably badly. Weber kept us in game.

And Weber is not a 15th year Senior.
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15th, 5th, whatever. He's been at Minnesota for half a decade and has probably been playing organized football for well over a decade. If the point about taking care of the football in a close game hasn't resonated in his head by now, it's just terribly unfortunate.

Sure, you could say Weber kept the Gophers in the game. If you read the game thread you'll even find posts from myself commenting on nice throws etc. But as much as he kept Minnesota in the game, he just as effectively took them out of it with those two fumbles at those two crucial moments. That can't happen. Period.

He's the QB. He's the leader. He fumbled. Twice. And I never said he's the only one to blame. There are 11+ other players on the other side of the ball that didn't get the job done. But don't try and assert the notion that as a 5th year Senior that is supposed to lead his team he's exempt from the blame his getting because of those two fumbles.
 

YES!!!

chi-town gopher said:
I guess I just disagree. I'm not saying he is the only problem or the even biggest problem, but two bad fumbles and mediocre passing numbers against a brutal defense doesn't completely excuse him just because his own defense let him down. If they score instead of fumble going into half, momentum shifts and there is no 28-10 hole to dig out of in the 3rd quarter. The fumble in the 4th quarter was obviously huge as well.
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No kidding. Gray should be in there starting because he never puts the ball on ....

Ooops. Scratch that. Carry on
 

Look, I don't disagree that the fumbles were critical and they did end up playing a role in the loss. With that said, IMHO, Weber should never had to have been in a position to fumble. We're not having this conversation if Euree catches that TD. I can't stress enough how big of a drop that was. The second fumble came on 3 and long because Mcknight or Gray dropped a first down pass the prior play (I don't remember which since they both had key drops late in the game). I guess to me there are a whole heck of a lot more things to be worrying about right now than how Weber is playing.
 

RodentRampage said:
No one has forgotten that he fumbled. But Weber is unequivocably not to blame for this loss. If anyone is forgetting anything, it is you for forgetting that 21/31 for 258 yards and 3 TD is not bad at all. The defense played unimaginably badly. Weber kept us in game.

And Weber is not a 15th year Senior.
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I agree! If all this negative Weber talk is based on what happened last Saturday people don't have a clue. Are people forgetting there are two sides to the ball. In the broad scheme of things, yes, there are issues with Weber especially based on how he played last year.
 

wdgold said:
I agree! If all this negative Weber talk is based on what happened last Saturday people don't have a clue. Are people forgetting there are two sides to the ball. In the broad scheme of things, yes, there are issues with Weber especially based on how he played last year.
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It's not. We have several years of information to go on here.
 

wdgold said:
I agree! If all this negative Weber talk is based on what happened last Saturday people don't have a clue. Are people forgetting there are two sides to the ball. In the broad scheme of things, yes, there are issues with Weber especially based on how he played last year.
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Nope.

And I wouldn't pimp Weber's offensive accomplishments last Saturday too hard now. We're talking South Dakota. It's not like he lit up Iowa for 3 TDs. Get real.

And Tarver's Mustache Comb (great name btw) stated, much of the criticism isn't based off of just last Saturday's game. Go back to last year and look at the Gopher's 3rd down conversion numbers and then get back to me.
 

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Nope.

And I wouldn't pimp Weber's offensive accomplishments last Saturday too hard now. We're talking South Dakota. It's not like he lit up Iowa for 3 TDs. Get real.

And Tarver's Mustache Comb (great name btw) stated, much of the criticism isn't based off of just last Saturday's game. Go back to last year and look at the Gopher's 3rd down conversion numbers and then get back to me.
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Yes I understand that people are irrationally judging weber's play based on games not played in 2010. The question is when do you think these people should stop doing that and look at the game and make a judgement based on its results?
 

gophermartin said:
Did he win? Wow...gov't is about service...politics is about winning. Love that.

Brewster is intense too....many recruits love it....even more would love it if he could pull off some big wins. I hope he can this year.

GM
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No, Davison didn't get the Republican nod to compete in the general election against the Democratic candidate for the coveted position of Stark County Treasurer. I'm worried for Davison, as he said that politics is "winner take all." Hope he has a place to live after his opponent moves into his house.

On the other hand, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann got trounced in her first foray into electoral politics--a run for the Stillwater School Board--and look at her now. All I can say is Bachmann/Davison in 2016!
 

monk10 said:
Yes I understand that people are irrationally judging weber's play based on games not played in 2010. The question is when do you think these people should stop doing that and look at the game and make a judgement based on its results?
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I think people should do whatever they want on their own accord. I look at the South Dakota game and I'm simply not impressed by Weber. He made some nice throws here and there, but overall he failed. When it mattered most he coughed up the ball. 3 TDs against South Dakota doesn't impress me. Fumbling twice in crucial situations during drives against South Dakota does, but in a very negative way.

I guess I just don't get your point or question. I think some people are judging Weber based off of what transpired in this game. Some may be more firm in their judgement because of past results. I can look at that game and those fumbles alone and tell you he is partly to blame for the loss. Anyone with any football sense whatsoever should be able to do the same.
 

monk10 said:
Yes I understand that people are irrationally judging weber's play based on games not played in 2010. The question is when do you think these people should stop doing that and look at the game and make a judgement based on its results?
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Are you saying that based on his play so far this year we should now think that Weber is a good QB? Or we should give him the benefit of the doubt?

Should we ignore history? This thread isn't just about last week, which for the most part was decent day for Weber although the fumbling was a stick in the eye. You understand that, right?
 

No, we should place the blame of this loss where it belongs, on the secondary. Many people could have played a little better and maybe it would have been a different outcome, but in only one place was play terrible from start to finish.
 

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