Teague is running this search by the book....

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GopherinPhilly said:
Hard to agree that Maturi was a process guy after the Brewster hire? I think Maturi was a knit wit with no clue hot to identify talented coaches.
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Everybody had to feel good when Maturi was in charge. Agree that he could be a nitwit, but he was an ever-so-sensitive one.
 


Folks lacking objective reasoning resort to obscenities/name calling when called out
 

Blackhammer said:
It's funny how people rip on our history in basketball and then you mention top players they mean nothing.. I also find it funny how during Michigan's run to the final four the Fab five and it's final four history is often brought up often. It was all wiped out by the Ncca just like our 97 team. Yet here in Minnesota that team never happened. The woe is me attitude at Minnesota sucks. A middle to back of the pack job? Yeah right , right there with Coppin State, Cleveland State and South Dakota State. We in the same ballpark as a bunch of high majors. Get the practice facility and a few select recruits and were higher.
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Your selective reading is awesome. What JUICER said was MN is a middle to back end MAJOR job which is more or less the equivalent of a top-tier mid-major job. He doesn't seem to be that far off. You could probably come up with 10-20 schools outside of the power conferences whose coach would NOT take the MN job. If the CURRENT state of the MN job were so great would that be the case? I'm not saying that the MN job can't become top tier, or that the right person couldn't make MN a perennial top 10 program, but right now the MN job is the equivalent of a top-tier mid-major job and uphill battle in a VERY tough conference. If you are making 750k+ in a conference you run year in and year out, is it worth the gamble to give up the security you have for another 250? Just a really big uphill battle for whoever takes the job. It CAN be done, but you have less room for error here to be successful.
 



Finally, what I have been waiting for... A PC between THE SCOUT and tinyarch. All referees on deck!!!!
 

cold man said:
Your selective reading is awesome. What JUICER said was MN is a middle to back end MAJOR job which is more or less the equivalent of a top-tier mid-major job. He doesn't seem to be that far off. You could probably come up with 10-20 schools outside of the power conferences whose coach would NOT take the MN job. If the CURRENT state of the MN job were so great would that be the case? I'm not saying that the MN job can't become top tier, or that the right person couldn't make MN a perennial top 10 program, but right now the MN job is the equivalent of a top-tier mid-major job and uphill battle in a VERY tough conference. If you are making 750k+ in a conference you run year in and year out, is it worth the gamble to give up the security you have for another 250? Just a really big uphill battle for whoever takes the job. It CAN be done, but you have less room for error here to be successful.
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Your right that was selective reading. As for the rest of your post I pretty much agree. You not saying Minnesota is a bad job but a challenging one in many respects.
 

Sit back and wait, Norwood knows what he is doing, and understands his name will be on it forever. Norwood is totally results oriented. The program here is in fine hands. 5-10 yrs. from now our whole athletic program, including womens BB will be in good shape !!! 4-02-2013
 

littlebigboy said:
Sit back and wait, Norwood knows what he is doing, and understands his name will be on it forever. Norwood is totally results oriented. The program here is in fine hands. 5-10 yrs. from now our whole athletic program, including womens BB will be in good shape !!! 4-02-2013
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Once again, I wish I was young. :)
 



2nd Degree Gopher said:
I have a question for all of the people concerned about the perception of rejection. Assume that all the worst rumors you have heard and, for some reason have chosen to believe, are true. Would you really have preferred that Teague make a list of the top 50 coaching candidates and then, without making any calls, eliminate all those who he thinks would or might say no just so no one could say that we were rejected? Lots of people move (or don’t) for reasons that are not readily apparent. I’d rather have coach #12 on the list, even if that means the first eleven said no. The alternative is that you get #36 because you were afraid of being rejected by #1-35.

As Chef used to tell the boys on South Park: “You can’t score every time, but when you do, it makes all the trying worthwhile.”
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A good AD understands where his program falls in the landscape of college basketball and should understand that candidates 11-15 are realistic rather than waste his time with candidates 1-10. Based on your logic, Florida Gulf Coast should just go down the list and get rejected by the top 75 candidates until they hire #76 on the list?
 

tinyarch, off topic, but love the moniker and the avatar. I was just thinking of Nate Archibald when I was watching Louisville's Russ Smith the other day. Tiny was better than Russ (and a much better passer), but I just love the way that Smith is relentless in the same way Tiny was during his career.
 

I guarantee Teague didn't anticipate Tubby finding a job before he filled his position at the U.

Also, whether Teague has a plan or not, this has been an absolute PR nightmare for the U of M.
 

If someone could answer this question for me...

Say Teague approaches another coach and asks if they would be interested in the Minnesota job. The coach says no because they're comfortable where they're at, don't want to move their family across the country, etc.

Question is...how is that Teague's fault?
 



I dunno who this guy is but:

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MNfootballfan said:
Also, whether Teague has a plan or not, this has been an absolute PR nightmare for the U of M.
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Why? It has been 9 days. Have you read the thread that lists how long it took every other Big Ten school to find it's coach? None were hired in less than 10 days. You need to get a grip and relax a bit.
 

MNfootballfan said:
I guarantee Teague didn't anticipate Tubby finding a job before he filled his position at the U.

Also, whether Teague has a plan or not, this has been an absolute PR nightmare for the U of M.
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MNff, first of all, how can you say "guarantee"? Or is that just a strong usage of the term?

Second, I disagree that it is a PR nightmare. These things should be done in private until there are real answers to release.
 

MadtownGopher said:
Why? It has been 9 days. Have you read the thread that lists how long it took every other Big Ten school to find it's coach? None were hired in less than 10 days. You need to get a grip and relax a bit.
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I don't think the timing matters as much as how it has been rumored how many coaches have turned down the job. Yes, I know nothing has been well documented, but I am a firm believer that where there is smoke, there is fire.
 

Dr.Don said:
MNff, first of all, how can you say "guarantee"? Or is that just a strong usage of the term?

Second, I disagree that it is a PR nightmare. These things should be done in private until there are real answers to release.
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You are right, the word guarantee would assume I know something. I don't know anything.
 

mplarson7 said:
If someone could answer this question for me...

Say Teague approaches another coach and asks if they would be interested in the Minnesota job. The coach says no because they're comfortable where they're at, don't want to move their family across the country, etc.

Question is...how is that Teague's fault?
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It's not, but how do you know that's the reason? Unless that coach talks directly to the media, it is just speculation.

What is Teague's fault, is not controlling the message. "Any press is good press" obviously isn't the saying to use here.
 

GopherGold said:
It's not, but how do you know that's the reason? Unless that coach talks directly to the media, it is just speculation.

What is Teague's fault, is not controlling the message. "Any press is good press" obviously isn't the saying to use here.
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Okay. Then how do we know that Teague is failing in the search, nobody wants the MN job, and all the other dreary outlooks out there are true? How is it fair to Teague to jump on his case so quickly? Wouldn't it be wiser to allow Teague to do his job without having to pamper the fans continually?
 

vcurams said:
A good AD understands where his program falls in the landscape of college basketball and should understand that candidates 11-15 are realistic rather than waste his time with candidates 1-10. Based on your logic, Florida Gulf Coast should just go down the list and get rejected by the top 75 candidates until they hire #76 on the list?
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My post was directed at "the sky is falling" crowd who seem far more concerned with the perception of rejection than any other aspect of the search. “Realism” obviously has to be part of making the list and I am sure that Teague didn’t spend much time trying to hire Krzyzewski or Izzo. But take Buzz Williams as an example. On the surface there would appear to be no way he’d be interested in Minnesota–he has a better job, makes plenty of money, has a great team coming back with highly regarded recruits, etc. On the other hand, there’s that rumbling out there that he may not be happy with his AD or his administration. Normally, he probably wouldn’t be a candidate, but if there is a slim possibility that he might be open to moving, I want my AD to make the call to gauge his interest. Others don’t want to take the time to explore that option because some folks on the Marquette message boards might laugh at the prospect that Minnesota thinks they could hire away their Buzz Williams or some hack on the radio will assess the effort to contact Williams as a “swing and a miss” and tell their listeners that everybody is rejecting the job.

Of course I’d rather not have any of the bad publicity and I don’t deny that it hurts in the short run, but there’s no way to find out who’s interested without asking and there’s no way to guarantee that the fact that you asked never gets revealed. I’d rather not limit the search to the “safe” options. In the long run it won’t matter much. If Teague had hired the wrong guy on the second day, the fact that search went smoothly would soon be irrelevant. If he hires the right guy and the team improves, the fans will support him and the fans of other schools will move on to somebody else’s board.
 

MadtownGopher said:
Why? It has been 9 days. Have you read the thread that lists how long it took every other Big Ten school to find it's coach? None were hired in less than 10 days. You need to get a grip and relax a bit.
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Madtown- get a grip on the "get a grip" posts. When you start the search is also relevant. Most programs that fire their coach did not make the tournament. From the end of the regular season the search is at 17 days. But that's not the problem 17 days is fine. The problem is that what has happened over that period is not exactly re-assuring. If the U wants to head off negative perception- they have every opportunity to do so. They don't seem to care what people perceive so I'm not sure why you are so concerned about it.
 

I find humor in the "PR Nightmare - Program Perception" crowd...are you serious? Having lived outside MN for the last 20 years...I can say with total certainty that nobody thinks about MN sports except people from MN and people paid to talk about MN sports (Except for AD). Not since Kirby retired has MN sports been something I hear people talk about (he was loved by many). Even when the talk about AD they say great back on a bad team. How can the QB with that running game not complete 60% of his passes. As far as the U...nothing ever anywhere. Hell, we even lost our 100 year old moniker, The U, to a bunch of criminals from South Florida.

So for you drama queens thinking that a protracted search is going to diminish the U in the eyes of others...know that stops at the borders and the talking heads on TV. Everyone else doesn't know who we are (or maybe they know and just don't care because we haven't given them reason to care for 50 plus years).
 

GopherinPhilly said:
I find humor in the "PR Nightmare - Program Perception" crowd...are you serious? Having lived outside MN for the last 20 years...I can say with total certainty that nobody thinks about MN sports except people from MN and people paid to talk about MN sports (Except for AD). Not since Kirby retired has MN sports been something I hear people talk about (he was loved by many). Even when the talk about AD they say great back on a bad team. How can the QB with that running game not complete 60% of his passes. As far as the U...nothing ever anywhere. Hell, we even lost our 100 year old moniker, The U, to a bunch of criminals from South Florida.

So for you drama queens thinking that a protracted search is going to diminish the U in the eyes of others...know that stops at the borders and the talking heads on TV. Everyone else doesn't know who we are (or maybe they know and just don't care because we haven't given them reason to care for 50 plus years).
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Ouch. But true.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
I find humor in the "PR Nightmare - Program Perception" crowd...are you serious? Having lived outside MN for the last 20 years...I can say with total certainty that nobody thinks about MN sports except people from MN and people paid to talk about MN sports (Except for AD). Not since Kirby retired has MN sports been something I hear people talk about (he was loved by many). Even when the talk about AD they say great back on a bad team. How can the QB with that running game not complete 60% of his passes. As far as the U...nothing ever anywhere. Hell, we even lost our 100 year old moniker, The U, to a bunch of criminals from South Florida.

So for you drama queens thinking that a protracted search is going to diminish the U in the eyes of others...know that stops at the borders and the talking heads on TV. Everyone else doesn't know who we are (or maybe they know and just don't care because we haven't given them reason to care for 50 plus years).
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You are right about this: National perception doesn't matter much at the moment. From a national perspective the proof will be in the pudding. If we hire a no name or an assistant to replace Tubby they will think it's nuts. I think in the long term we will be better off almost no matter what. Tubby's time had come.

What we should care about is whether or not the search produces the best possible coach for the situation at hand so that we win, have an enjoyable product to watch, get the fundraising that is needed and are able to recruit well now and in the future. It doesn't bother me one bit that we are being rejected by big names that we probably had no chance at no matter how we presented it. I like that they have tried for the home run. It is bothersome that we had a homerun lined up and rejected it by letting petty issues get in the way. That's the event that raises the ante here.

We have had people whining about the lack of a practice facility for years. That should stop now. If we hire a no name and can't get 'er done on the facilities, there should be no excuse making for him because he doesn't have the goodies.
 

bga1 said:
You are right about this: National perception doesn't matter much at the moment. From a national perspective the proof will be in the pudding. If we hire a no name or an assistant to replace Tubby they will think it's nuts. I think in the long term we will be better off almost no matter what. Tubby's time had come.

What we should care about is whether or not the search produces the best possible coach for the situation at hand so that we win, have an enjoyable product to watch, get the fundraising that is needed and are able to recruit well now and in the future. It doesn't bother me one bit that we are being rejected by big names that we probably had no chance at no matter how we presented it. I like that they have tried for the home run. It is bothersome that we had a homerun lined up and rejected it by letting petty issues get in the way. That's the event that raises the ante here.

We have had people whining about the lack of a practice facility for years. That should stop now. If we hire a no name and can't get 'er done on the facilities, there should be no excuse making for him because he doesn't have the goodies.
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Why?
 

PR Problem, maybe so.

I was going to start a new thread on this but I will post it here. Minnesota is in a very unique situation:

1. We fire the great Tubby Smith. Though most everyone that follows the Gophers realizes this had to happen(Parski excluded), the national media is crying "Who does Minnesota think they are?" That decision was also make by a first year AD.

2. As articles have pointed out, many mid-major coaches are staying put. Doesn't help our image and ability to find a known coach.

3. Having a well-known local candidate Flip, supposedly turns us down. He may or may not be a great candidate, but people(especially locals) will side with Flip and say it was a mistake.

4. The three recruits of the 2014 class. Never in the history of MN have we had a group of three local that are this highly rated. Any coach at MN would have a hard time landing all three and this will be a negative on the new coach unless he can land at least two of them.

5. We don't have a dedicated basketball practice facility and many saying that hiring Flip(or another big name) would help raise the funds and it will be tough to do with a lesser known.

Like I said these are all pretty unique to our situation(#2 excluded). Puts the U and Teague in a pretty tough situation.
 

It really doesn't matter how the job search was handled - the Twin Cities media will rip the U no matter what happens.

If Teague had hired somone the week after Tubby was fired, the media would have come up with "good reasons" why it was the wrong candidate.

We're now in the 2nd week of the search, and the media - with virtually NO on-the-record information - has decided that the search has been "botched." When a hire is announced, it doesn't matter who they hire - the media will criticize the choice.

Personally, I would have preferred to see Teague run this in a slightly more open fashion - but don't kid yourself - this was a no-win situation from the get-go.

The Twin cities media is only happy when they can talk about conflict and controversy - whether they're covering the state legislature, or the sports teams.
 

Well the hire makes sense now. I understand why flip turned it down along with shaka and many more. This job is all about the money. After firing tubby they needed someone who will take the job for little cash. So i exspect this guy to be paid in the very low 1 million range. I am not saying i dont like the hire time will tell this was about the cash.
 

gopherhoopsguy said:
Well the hire makes sense now. I understand why flip turned it down along with shaka and many more. This job is all about the money. After firing tubby they needed someone who will take the job for little cash. So i exspect this guy to be paid in the very low 1 million range. I am not saying i dont like the hire time will tell this was about the cash.
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You can't be serious. Is that the reason we turned down Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens too.
 

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