Teague is running this search by the book....

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Juicer said:
Have you been watching college basketball lately? The notion of mid-majors is changing. There is as much interest in the mid majors as there is in middle to back of the pack "high majors". Fact is that we are a middle to back of the pack job. Also, names like McHale, Tucker, Burton, etc. don't do ANYTHING for recruiting or elevating our current program. We need a progressive, aggressive coach, whoever that is.
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It's funny how people rip on our history in basketball and then you mention top players they mean nothing.. I also find it funny how during Michigan's run to the final four the Fab five and it's final four history is often brought up often. It was all wiped out by the Ncca just like our 97 team. Yet here in Minnesota that team never happened. The woe is me attitude at Minnesota sucks. A middle to back of the pack job? Yeah right , right there with Coppin State, Cleveland State and South Dakota State. We in the same ballpark as a bunch of high majors. Get the practice facility and a few select recruits and were higher.
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
I have a question for all of the people concerned about the perception of rejection. Assume that all the worst rumors you have heard and, for some reason have chosen to believe, are true. Would you really have preferred that Teague make a list of the top 50 coaching candidates and then, without making any calls, eliminate all those who he thinks would or might say no just so no one could say that we were rejected? Lots of people move (or don’t) for reasons that are not readily apparent. I’d rather have coach #12 on the list, even if that means the first eleven said no. The alternative is that you get #36 because you were afraid of being rejected by #1-35.

As Chef used to tell the boys on South Park: “You can’t score every time, but when you do, it makes all the trying worthwhile.”
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If Maturi had used that logic, we wouldn't have gotten Tubby in the first place. (Which, at the time, was a HUGE coup if we all recall...now? not so much.)
 

GopherGold said:
This search as been more damning to our basketball program than our February record. Teague does NOT know what he got himself into. He is either living in denial or too pompous to admit his mistakes.
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When you fire a HOF coach, regardless of whether it was justified, there is going to be some collateral damage. You're freaking out because you put value into Twittergeddon. We are at 8 days the last I checked. Did you read the thread about how long this normally takes?
 

GopherDieHardDyingHard said:
If Maturi had used that logic, we wouldn't have gotten Tubby in the first place. (Which, at the time, was a HUGE coup if we all recall...now? not so much.)
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Maybe a better example is getting Jerry Kill. During that search the board was FULL of people determined to add the name of every coach in America to a list of who turned down the job. That was crap then of course and it's probably crap now. Don't think that that 4, 5 guys have turned down the job; don't know that for sure but hell, we don't know much for sure anyway.
 


2nd Degree Gopher said:
I have a question for all of the people concerned about the perception of rejection. Assume that all the worst rumors you have heard and, for some reason have chosen to believe, are true. Would you really have preferred that Teague make a list of the top 50 coaching candidates and then, without making any calls, eliminate all those who he thinks would or might say no just so no one could say that we were rejected? Lots of people move (or don’t) for reasons that are not readily apparent. I’d rather have coach #12 on the list, even if that means the first eleven said no. The alternative is that you get #36 because you were afraid of being rejected by #1-35.

As Chef used to tell the boys on South Park: “You can’t score every time, but when you do, it makes all the trying worthwhile.”
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Yeah, this is true, but it is a lot harder get thousands of invested fans to be outcome independent than just yourself. If we are comparing selecting coaches to picking up chicks, there is a difference between hitting on girl and getting rejected and hitting on a girl and getting rejected when all your friends are watching. It no longer becomes outcome independent. What happens changes the reaction of your friends. A coaching search is more like the latter. I love that you compared it to picking up chicks BTW
 

Is the book Teague is using WarAnd Peace? The only reason not to have a coach locked up by now is if his team is still playing.
Those coaching searches in the Raynomakers blog waited on average for 2 weeks because those teams had to wait for their coach to finish playing for the season.
Which coaches still playing could be the next hire?
1. Marshall
2. Drew
3. Pitino hahaha yeah
4. Syracuse asst(forgot his name)
5. Rice
 

GopherGold said:
Clueless? The national opinion of our program hasn't been this low since before the day Tubby was hired. If you don't think that matters, you are clueless. The only thing being reported nationally is disarray. The tone of the media is clear. Acting like you know who has been offered is not fact, it's rumor.
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That's an opinion to say the national opinion has lowered since before Tubby was fired. Not fact. Even if true, who cares what the opinion is before we have a coach? Shouldn't that only matter only after we've made a hire? And even if the national "opinion" is that our program is lower without tubby, that doesn't matter either. Personally, I can bear the wait on the coaching search and overlook national pundits opinion if it means I don't have to witness another February collapse by Tubby.

The only one I know for a fact that was offered was Flip- all the more reason I'm not concerned about the reports of us being in disarray. It just shows the media is also basing their opinion off rumor, not fact.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Have been running through the search process and, except for the leaking of Tubby's termination to the media, Teague seems to be running this by the book.

He obviously had a list...it is probably 80-100 deep in candidates and he started at the top and is working his way down. What we don't know is how many agents have been contacted that declined that didn't leak it to the press because it didn't help their clients.

Teague fired Tubby because after 6 years, we weren't going anywhere.

Now Teague is working through his list. Had to wait until the better job was filled at UCLA. USC isn't better, unless your wife is a super model and you live on the beach now...then it's better.

It is clear from what we are hearing is that Teague isn't over paying (Shaka offer) or willing to lose control when it is unwarranted (Flip's Deal).

I suspect that Marshall at Wichita St. is one of the top coaches still on our list, but who knows. There are dozens of Asst. Coaches at big time programs that we can go after next...and Teague will get for around a Mil per year. As far as I am concerned, we are a mid-major program with a high major budget. So a top Asst. Coach could come in here and do a great job and go from making $1mil to $2mil and up just by winning. Never have to leave. Great Opportunity. And if they fail...it is on MN because nobody wins here unless they are cheating (See history of BB program).

Unlike the Maturi FB searches which were both total cluster fu_cks...this search seems to be following the exact steps you would expect. I am not going to say I was in favor of firing Tubby (especially after we failed to land Shaka)...but in the end, it was time for a change.
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lol, like you have any clue what "by the book" means. i love how people assume things are either the right way or the wrong way when none of us on here have ever been a part of a hiring like this. its cute to pretend that you know and can put peoples mind at ease. thanks
 



BarnBoy said:
When you fire a HOF coach, regardless of whether it was justified, there is going to be some collateral damage. You're freaking out because you put value into Twittergeddon. We are at 8 days the last I checked. Did you read the thread about how long this normally takes?
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I'm with BarnBoy and the others that are willing to relax and wait for the AD to do his job and make the hire. There are still a lot of quality candidates out there, but I believe our coaching position is right now the most desirable open one in the country. I think we will be thankful we didn't panic and get Enfeld or cave to Flip's demands.
 

BarnBoy said:
When you fire a HOF coach, regardless of whether it was justified, there is going to be some collateral damage. You're freaking out because you put value into Twittergeddon. We are at 8 days the last I checked. Did you read the thread about how long this normally takes?
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Not freaking out. I don't even use twitter. I'm just looking at the things that are being reported nationally. Did you read the article about Tubby being hired by TT. They took the last paragraph to rip MN because Tubby was able to get hired before we found a replacement and listed of the coaches that, supposedly, reject MN. That is in national media.

Also, it doesn't matter how long it normally takes. It matters in relation to how long everyone else is taking. UCLA, TT, USC, and NW have found their coaches already.
 

I saw the beat writer for the Illini mention that Tubby was hired before the Gophers hired his replacement, and thought, "So what?!". I would rather take a few weeks and find the right guy and negotiate a budget friendly contract.
 




I'm not slamming Teague, but the book he's running the search by is his book and not necessarily the book. Maturi was a real process guy to the point of being too sensitive to this and that and everything else. Teague obviously isn't that way, but I think he's hIamstrung by the whole Villa 7 millstone and I get the impression that he thinks he knows more than he actually knows. I'm all for having a confident, assertive guy at the helm (it's certainly different than Maturi's "aw shucks/passive-aggressive" approach), but when that starts to border on hubris, things can get ugly (especially up here in the land of "Minnesota Nice").

I'm hoping for the best. I liked Tubby, but the time had come to let him go. I felt the same way about Mason. I think it's clear that Teague is more equipped to make this decision than Maturi was to make the decision on the Mason replacement. Again, I think the difference in Teague's approach is what is causing as much consternation as anything else at this point. I'm willing to let it play out. I was NOT on the Shaka Smart bandwagon, so I'm not disappointed about his staying at VCU and I don't know enough about a lot of the candidates being mentioned to make a sound judgment as to whether or not they'd succeed. I will say I think the contention that Flip has never coached at the college level as a reason to not hire him as a total straw man. Hoops is hoops. The only real difference is recruiting and I find it hard to believe that Flip's success at the NBA level would be detrimental in that regard.
 

GopherGold said:
Yeah, this is true, but it is a lot harder get thousands of invested fans to be outcome independent than just yourself. If we are comparing selecting coaches to picking up chicks, there is a difference between hitting on girl and getting rejected and hitting on a girl and getting rejected when all your friends are watching. It no longer becomes outcome independent. What happens changes the reaction of your friends. A coaching search is more like the latter. I love that you compared it to picking up chicks BTW
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I agree with you that the perception is important and that you want to have the new guy retain as much of the “we got our guy” feeling as possible, but the AD can’t control what happens once he makes the call. Let’s say that all that happened with Cronin is that Teague reached out to his agent to see how committed he was in Cincinnati and was told that Cronin was happy and he wasn’t interested in moving. No problem, check the name off the list. That’s not a rejection in my book. But maybe there is an advantage to Cronin to remind people that he’s “in demand” and is loyal to Cincinnati, so somebody on his end let’s word out that we approached him and he rebuffed the inquiry. He gets whatever bump comes with that and we move on.

Returning to the analogy, your buddies see you strike out a few times and then make a connection. They tease you for a while, then they talk about who you left with and then go home alone. Again. The next day, they want details and you are the hero. Teague may be in the buddy razzing stage right now, but if he gets the right guy, he'll be the hero soon enough.
 

GopherGold said:
Not freaking out. I don't even use twitter. I'm just looking at the things that are being reported nationally. Did you read the article about Tubby being hired by TT. They took the last paragraph to rip MN because Tubby was able to get hired before we found a replacement and listed of the coaches that, supposedly, reject MN. That is in national media.

Also, it doesn't matter how long it normally takes. It matters in relation to how long everyone else is taking. UCLA, TT, USC, and NW have found their coaches already.
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Not freaking out either, but what you state does add to the negative perception whether people like it or not. What we have so far in the way of reality/perception, whether they are true or not:

o No facilities; no jet
o Permafrost wasteland
o Not even Tubby could win here
o Top candidates are rejecting us left and right
o NT dictating coaching staff to candidates
o Tubby landed faster than we've found his replacement
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
I agree with you that the perception is important and that you want to have the new guy retain as much of the “we got our guy” feeling as possible, but the AD can’t control what happens once he makes the call. Let’s say that all that happened with Cronin is that Teague reached out to his agent to see how committed he was in Cincinnati and was told that Cronin was happy and he wasn’t interested in moving. No problem, check the name off the list. That’s not a rejection in my book. But maybe there is an advantage to Cronin to remind people that he’s “in demand” and is loyal to Cincinnati, so somebody on his end let’s word out that we approached him and he rebuffed the inquiry. He gets whatever bump comes with that and we move on.

Returning to the analogy, your buddies see you strike out a few times and then make a connection. They tease you for a while, then they talk about who you left with and then go home alone. Again. The next day, they want details and you are the hero. Teague may be in the buddy razzing stage right now, but if he gets the right guy, he'll be the hero soon enough.
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You, I like you.
 

G0 4 said:
Is the book Teague is using WarAnd Peace? The only reason not to have a coach locked up by now is if his team is still playing.
Those coaching searches in the Raynomakers blog waited on average for 2 weeks because those teams had to wait for their coach to finish playing for the season.
Which coaches still playing could be the next hire?
1. Marshall
2. Drew
3. Pitino hahaha yeah
4. Syracuse asst(forgot his name)
5. Rice
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Oh, Im sorry...I forgot you have hired so many D-1 Basketball coaches. Or is it you have done research that suggests the average length to hire a Big Ten Coach is 7 days. Or is it you don't know anything and come to this board to blather idiocy?
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Oh, Im sorry...I forgot you have hired so many D-1 Basketball coaches. Or is it you have done research that suggests the average length to hire a Big Ten Coach is 7 days. Or is it you don't know anything and come to this board to blather idiocy?
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Um, the last one. :)

Relax, I'm just saying how it must seem to a lot of people on the outside.
 

lakesgopher said:
lol, like you have any clue what "by the book" means. i love how people assume things are either the right way or the wrong way when none of us on here have ever been a part of a hiring like this. its cute to pretend that you know and can put peoples mind at ease. thanks
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You are the biggest dbag troll on this board.
 

50PoundHead said:
I'm not slamming Teague, but the book he's running the search by is his book and not necessarily the book. Maturi was a real process guy to the point of being too sensitive to this and that and everything else. Teague obviously isn't that way, but I think he's hIamstrung by the whole Villa 7 millstone and I get the impression that he thinks he knows more than he actually knows. I'm all for having a confident, assertive guy at the helm (it's certainly different than Maturi's "aw shucks/passive-aggressive" approach), but when that starts to border on hubris, things can get ugly (especially up here in the land of "Minnesota Nice").
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Hard to agree that Maturi was a process guy after the Brewster hire? I think Maturi was a knit wit with no clue hot to identify talented coaches.
 

Bad Gopher said:
Um, the last one. :)

Relax, I'm just saying how it must seem to a lot of people on the outside.
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Don't sell yourself so short Bad. Norwood has only hired one more D-1 coach than you have.
 

Larry Fitzgerald Senior chimes in:

@fitzbeatsr: Rush to Judgement.Gophers delusional AD Norwood Teague keeps coming up empty.Every good coach saw how U of M over valued the program.

Go Gophers!!
 

GopherGold said:
Not freaking out. I don't even use twitter. I'm just looking at the things that are being reported nationally. Did you read the article about Tubby being hired by TT. They took the last paragraph to rip MN because Tubby was able to get hired before we found a replacement and listed of the coaches that, supposedly, reject MN. That is in national media.

Also, it doesn't matter how long it normally takes. It matters in relation to how long everyone else is taking. UCLA, TT, USC, and NW have found their coaches already.
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Yeah it matters in relation to the other programs if they're getting the guys we covet. Alford, no. Tubby, that's obvious. USC, personally didn't want him but was maybe an option. Collins, no. It's not like we need to hit the panic button because those other 4 schools beat us to coaches we wanted. It appears to me that NT contacted several "home run hires" and didn't get them. Now we're at square one in the hiring process. No need to over-react with the rest of the national media.

I read the Tubby to TT article too. It just confirms national perception of Tubby (valued higher elsewhere than here), but still doesn't change the point that most who follow the program closely are satisfied we're moving on from Tubby, regardless of missing out on luring a big fish coach here.
 

BleedGopher said:
Larry Fitzgerald Senior chimes in:

@fitzbeatsr: Rush to Judgement.Gophers delusional AD Norwood Teague keeps coming up empty.Every good coach saw how U of M over valued the program.

Go Gophers!!
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Larry Sr..........biggest nitwit of them all.


*GPhilly brought back the nitwit word. I like it.
 

It's starting to look as though our new norwood will need to take Dave Mona along to speak for him when he goes crawling back to Flip and have Mona profusely apologize for our new norwood's inexperience, his control issues and the inability to even consider anyone who is NOT a part of the extremely enmeshed, dysfunctional and hopelessly closed v-7 FAMILY SYSTEM.

And keep that ellis character a LONG ways away from the entire process.

Bring Flip in to Coach the Gophers!

; 0 )
 


BleedGopher said:
Larry Fitzgerald Senior chimes in:

@fitzbeatsr: Rush to Judgement.Gophers delusional AD Norwood Teague keeps coming up empty.Every good coach saw how U of M over valued the program.
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When I take a look at who has lined up on the “this is a disaster and embarrassment,” “I am panicked,” and “crawl back and beg Flip” side of this as opposed to the “let the process play out” side, I feel more confident that things will work out.
 

2nd Degree Gopher said:
When I take a look at who has lined up on the “this is a disaster and embarrassment,” “I am panicked,” and “crawl back and beg Flip” side of this as opposed to the “let the process play out” side, I feel more confident that things will work out.
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+ 2 The irrational rhetoric of so called sports journalists is a joke. The fanbase's hurried panic to throw Teague under the bus is also a joke. Minnesota nice is more like Minnesota stupid.
 


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