STrib Pitino building balanced schedule; non-conf schedule likely softer than last yr

U want entertainment factor go to the preseason tournaments.. How many NCAA tournaments did they make? I am sorry that is all I care about.

And if your were the drawing up the schedule it damn well better be for the best interest on the coach and players.. He needs to do what is best for his program only. It's his damn job...
 

U want entertainment factor go to the preseason tournaments.. How many NCAA tournaments did they make? I am sorry that is all I care about.

And if your were the drawing up the schedule it damn well better be for the best interest on the coach and players.. He needs to do what is best for his program only. It's his damn job...
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I think a lot of the schedule argument(s) have to do with one or both parties being unable to see the issue from the others perspective. I sympathize with the season ticket holders who want to see a better non-conference schedule, and it certainly isn't too much too ask for ONE high major game every year. From the Gopher fan/non season ticket holder perspective, it's very easy for me to see why Pitino isn't scheduling a high major at home this year and I personally agree with the strategy. The neutral game with Louisville and the preseason NIT should provide enough of a challenge for a team that brings back just 7 players and (as of now at least) is projected to very thin at the 1-3 spots. I feel like Pitino really needs to make the tournament this upcoming season or (hopefully and) have a very good 2015 recruiting season. We don't want to be going in to year 3 losing three or four of our top five players and looking at "rebuilding" with 3 star kids. Now it's VERY easy for me to say that I am fine with a softer schedule this upcoming season as I am not faced with the decision of spending 3-3 1/2 hours of a weekday night to see the latest incarnation of Maryland Eastern Shore OR eat the cost of the tickets and do something else. A lot of the non-conference games, I don't even watch live as I just avoid the score and catch them on the DVR if I have something else to do. The season ticket holders have suffered through enough weak non-conference seasons that it's hard to ask them to give Richard "time" to beef up the schedule. As much as I love Gopher hoops, I think I'd have been frustrated enough by the lack of overall success of the program to give up season tickets at some point. Those that have hung on for every year post-Clem are the true die-hards who deserve to be celebrating B1G titles or at least top 3-4 finishes much more than a fan like me.

A separate point on scheduling that I think has to be pointed out is that we need to schedule smart when looking for a high major series. A series with Marquette would make a ton of sense for both the Golden Gophers and the Golden Eagles as we both have interests in the others recruiting turf. A series with Iowa State is great for the Cyclones, but makes no sense for the Gophers. A series with a blue blood program would be great, but are we at a point to feel like that home game would be a great shot at a win over a UNC or Kansas? Also, those schools can pick who they want to play and I am sure they see some downside to a game at Williams Arena where the Gophers were pretty good last year. On the other end of the spectrum, would a Wazzu, Wake, Mississippi State, Oregon State, DePaul, or other high major that is currently down have interest in a home and home when they could just as easily schedule Penn State, Northwestern, or Purdue? I would assume those schools would rather either play a top of the conference team for drawing power/chance at a program boosting win OR schedule a bottom of the conference team for a better chance at a win.

Potential good fits that would benefit both schools:

1. Marquette- Only question here is whether the Golden Eagles would want to play both the Badgers and the Golden Gophers every year
2. Washington- Similar big city market, would seem like a natural out of conference fit
3. Missouri- Though I think the Tigers would prefer playing old Big 12 rivals all things being equal and they already play Illinois
4. Colorado- Similar to Missouri in that the Buffs might prefer playing Big 12 teams
5. Cincinnati- Would be great to renew that series and the Bobcats could benefit given the state of their league
6. Xavier- Would rather play Cincy if we were going to get a series going with a team from that city
7. USC- Enfield and Pitino took over their squads the same year and we recently played a series.

I am sure someone could come up with some more options that would make sense for both schools to schedule a series. What I'd personally love to see is for the Gophers/School X to agree to like a 6 game contract. I think a real rivalry of sorts would develop between the schools that could be beneficial to both schools. I could see Minnesota and Washington being a great fit for a series like this. Neither of us has a number one rival from out of conference, so I don't think it would take much for both schools fans to get up for a series like this.
 

U want entertainment factor go to the preseason tournaments.. How many NCAA tournaments did they make? I am sorry that is all I care about.

And if your were the drawing up the schedule it damn well better be for the best interest on the coach and players.. He needs to do what is best for his program only. It's his damn job...
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Settle down there chief. No need to get excited.

I shouldn't have to go to a preseason tournament to see the Gophers play in non conference against a team whose home state I can identify by looking at their name.

No one is asking the Gophers to schedule every game against the power 6 conferences. Some are just wondering why we cannot get one none conference game, ONE, against a team from a Big 6 conference. Doesn't even need to be a good team from said conferences, just A team.

While doing so, do it with the damn team in mind damnit!
 

I think a lot of the schedule argument(s) have to do with one or both parties being unable to see the issue from the others perspective. I sympathize with the season ticket holders who want to see a better non-conference schedule, and it certainly isn't too much too ask for ONE high major game every year. From the Gopher fan/non season ticket holder perspective, it's very easy for me to see why Pitino isn't scheduling a high major at home this year and I personally agree with the strategy. The neutral game with Louisville and the preseason NIT should provide enough of a challenge for a team that brings back just 7 players and (as of now at least) is projected to very thin at the 1-3 spots. I feel like Pitino really needs to make the tournament this upcoming season or (hopefully and) have a very good 2015 recruiting season. We don't want to be going in to year 3 losing three or four of our top five players and looking at "rebuilding" with 3 star kids. Now it's VERY easy for me to say that I am fine with a softer schedule this upcoming season as I am not faced with the decision of spending 3-3 1/2 hours of a weekday night to see the latest incarnation of Maryland Eastern Shore OR eat the cost of the tickets and do something else. A lot of the non-conference games, I don't even watch live as I just avoid the score and catch them on the DVR if I have something else to do. The season ticket holders have suffered through enough weak non-conference seasons that it's hard to ask them to give Richard "time" to beef up the schedule. As much as I love Gopher hoops, I think I'd have been frustrated enough by the lack of overall success of the program to give up season tickets at some point. Those that have hung on for every year post-Clem are the true die-hards who deserve to be celebrating B1G titles or at least top 3-4 finishes much more than a fan like me.

A separate point on scheduling that I think has to be pointed out is that we need to schedule smart when looking for a high major series. A series with Marquette would make a ton of sense for both the Golden Gophers and the Golden Eagles as we both have interests in the others recruiting turf. A series with Iowa State is great for the Cyclones, but makes no sense for the Gophers. A series with a blue blood program would be great, but are we at a point to feel like that home game would be a great shot at a win over a UNC or Kansas? Also, those schools can pick who they want to play and I am sure they see some downside to a game at Williams Arena where the Gophers were pretty good last year. On the other end of the spectrum, would a Wazzu, Wake, Mississippi State, Oregon State, DePaul, or other high major that is currently down have interest in a home and home when they could just as easily schedule Penn State, Northwestern, or Purdue? I would assume those schools would rather either play a top of the conference team for drawing power/chance at a program boosting win OR schedule a bottom of the conference team for a better chance at a win.

Potential good fits that would benefit both schools:

1. Marquette- Only question here is whether the Golden Eagles would want to play both the Badgers and the Golden Gophers every year
2. Washington- Similar big city market, would seem like a natural out of conference fit
3. Missouri- Though I think the Tigers would prefer playing old Big 12 rivals all things being equal and they already play Illinois
4. Colorado- Similar to Missouri in that the Buffs might prefer playing Big 12 teams
5. Cincinnati- Would be great to renew that series and the Bobcats could benefit given the state of their league
6. Xavier- Would rather play Cincy if we were going to get a series going with a team from that city
7. USC- Enfield and Pitino took over their squads the same year and we recently played a series.

I am sure someone could come up with some more options that would make sense for both schools to schedule a series. What I'd personally love to see is for the Gophers/School X to agree to like a 6 game contract. I think a real rivalry of sorts would develop between the schools that could be beneficial to both schools. I could see Minnesota and Washington being a great fit for a series like this. Neither of us has a number one rival from out of conference, so I don't think it would take much for both schools fans to get up for a series like this.

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You can wish as much as you want, but you have to be realistic. Since we play in the B1G, our normal conference schedule is tougher than most power 6 conference full season schedules. Would you rather be in the SEC where have you conference games that are a cupcake? Many of those other schools have to schedule better non-conference games just to give them a competitive season. And the Gophers are typically playing the better schools in the smaller conferences.
 

Well we had a top 10 SOS last year so its pretty damn tough to have a better schedule than last year. I hope its alittle softer if we put 2 more wins on our record we are dancing last year that's a fact. I guess I would rather be dancing every year than seeing a good team in early at home. We have Louisville, wake, maybe Gonzaga just to name a few next year.

Our non-conference schedule was not that hard last year. We finished 11-2. It's just that we had competitive games against Richmond, Coastal Carolina, South Dakota State, Nebraska-Omaha, and Florida State and lost to Syracuse and Arkansas. The reason our nonconference was rated highly is that we played few terrible teams. It's not hard to avoid scheduling God awful teams and still win if you're a power conference team. Minnesota has been doing it for years. There is no reason to make our non-conference schedule easier than it was last year. I'd rather play North Dakota State and Indiana State and win in a competitive game than play Abilene Christian and Chicago State and win by 35.
 

i don't think SS is lobbying for a better resume. He wants entertainment factor.

Correct me if I'm wrong SS.

You are correct, sir. As someone who attends the (home) games, I'm requesting a solitary, additional decent home game every November-December, which is what the end result would be if we scheduled another decent home and home. Even if Pitino does that, there will still be more than enough "guarantee games" to create a nice balance:

1. vs. Louisville (great way to kick off the Gopher season, win or lose, preferably win)

2-5. NIT Season Tip-Off = TBD, TBD, TBD, TBD -- Unlike Battle 4 Atlantis (Duke) and Maui (Syracuse) the last two seasons, the Gophers aren't guaranteed a quality game unless they get to MSG (most likely 2 of Georgia/Gonzaga/Saint John's). Hopefully Gophers and Gonzaga are bracketed so they would square off in the semifinals.

6. @ Wake Forest

7. THE WILDCARD (essentially, this is the game we're debating. ... decent opponent or another guarantee?)

Games 8-13. That leaves room for 6 guarantee games.

End result is a maximum of 6 decent-or-better games (possibly only 5 if the 2nd round NIT opponent sucks, too), with 6 guarantee games and 1 NIT softy. I think that looks like a balanced schedule? Win 5 of the 7, sweep your guarantee games, and presto the Gophers are 11-2 heading into the Big Ten season with more than enough SOS pop.

Let's not even discuss how the NC sked could look if the Gophers don't make it to New York. Yikes.
 

I think a lot of the schedule argument(s) have to do with one or both parties being unable to see the issue from the others perspective. I sympathize with the season ticket holders who want to see a better non-conference schedule, and it certainly isn't too much too ask for ONE high major game every year. From the Gopher fan/non season ticket holder perspective, it's very easy for me to see why Pitino isn't scheduling a high major at home this year and I personally agree with the strategy. The neutral game with Louisville and the preseason NIT should provide enough of a challenge for a team that brings back just 7 players and (as of now at least) is projected to very thin at the 1-3 spots. I feel like Pitino really needs to make the tournament this upcoming season or (hopefully and) have a very good 2015 recruiting season. We don't want to be going in to year 3 losing three or four of our top five players and looking at "rebuilding" with 3 star kids. Now it's VERY easy for me to say that I am fine with a softer schedule this upcoming season as I am not faced with the decision of spending 3-3 1/2 hours of a weekday night to see the latest incarnation of Maryland Eastern Shore OR eat the cost of the tickets and do something else. A lot of the non-conference games, I don't even watch live as I just avoid the score and catch them on the DVR if I have something else to do. The season ticket holders have suffered through enough weak non-conference seasons that it's hard to ask them to give Richard "time" to beef up the schedule. As much as I love Gopher hoops, I think I'd have been frustrated enough by the lack of overall success of the program to give up season tickets at some point. Those that have hung on for every year post-Clem are the true die-hards who deserve to be celebrating B1G titles or at least top 3-4 finishes much more than a fan like me.

A separate point on scheduling that I think has to be pointed out is that we need to schedule smart when looking for a high major series. A series with Marquette would make a ton of sense for both the Golden Gophers and the Golden Eagles as we both have interests in the others recruiting turf. A series with Iowa State is great for the Cyclones, but makes no sense for the Gophers. A series with a blue blood program would be great, but are we at a point to feel like that home game would be a great shot at a win over a UNC or Kansas? Also, those schools can pick who they want to play and I am sure they see some downside to a game at Williams Arena where the Gophers were pretty good last year. On the other end of the spectrum, would a Wazzu, Wake, Mississippi State, Oregon State, DePaul, or other high major that is currently down have interest in a home and home when they could just as easily schedule Penn State, Northwestern, or Purdue? I would assume those schools would rather either play a top of the conference team for drawing power/chance at a program boosting win OR schedule a bottom of the conference team for a better chance at a win.

Potential good fits that would benefit both schools:

1. Marquette- Only question here is whether the Golden Eagles would want to play both the Badgers and the Golden Gophers every year
2. Washington- Similar big city market, would seem like a natural out of conference fit
3. Missouri- Though I think the Tigers would prefer playing old Big 12 rivals all things being equal and they already play Illinois
4. Colorado- Similar to Missouri in that the Buffs might prefer playing Big 12 teams
5. Cincinnati- Would be great to renew that series and the Bobcats could benefit given the state of their league
6. Xavier- Would rather play Cincy if we were going to get a series going with a team from that city
7. USC- Enfield and Pitino took over their squads the same year and we recently played a series.

I am sure someone could come up with some more options that would make sense for both schools to schedule a series. What I'd personally love to see is for the Gophers/School X to agree to like a 6 game contract. I think a real rivalry of sorts would develop between the schools that could be beneficial to both schools. I could see Minnesota and Washington being a great fit for a series like this. Neither of us has a number one rival from out of conference, so I don't think it would take much for both schools fans to get up for a series like this.

Well thought out post, with perspective from both sides. Thanks.
 



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Settle down there chief. No need to get excited.

I shouldn't have to go to a preseason tournament to see the Gophers play in non conference against a team whose home state I can identify by looking at their name.

No one is asking the Gophers to schedule every game against the power 6 conferences. Some are just wondering why we cannot get one none conference game, ONE, against a team from a Big 6 conference. Doesn't even need to be a good team from said conferences, just A team.

While doing so, do it with the damn team in mind damnit!

+1 Paying about $600 for a ticket, driving 100 miles, another $10 a game to park, forced to buy tickets to 2 exhibition games and asking for just one or two more decent non-conference opponents. I love it and nobody forces me to do it, but people bitching about me being a "whiner" is a little annoying, especially when I know some of those people never set foot in Williams Arena in a season.

All we're asking for is a little more value. I don't expect (or want) the Gophers to play an Izzo schedule so no need to explain again why things are the way they are.
 

The translation could also be: "Our athletic director wants us to only schedule cupcakes so we don't miss out on extra easy money from playing a home and away series. I can't actually say that, so I'm going to come up with some reason that will hopefully fool some people into not being upset that we only play crappy teams at home."
 

I think a lot of the schedule argument(s) have to do with one or both parties being unable to see the issue from the others perspective. I sympathize with the season ticket holders who want to see a better non-conference schedule, and it certainly isn't too much too ask for ONE high major game every year. From the Gopher fan/non season ticket holder perspective, it's very easy for me to see why Pitino isn't scheduling a high major at home this year and I personally agree with the strategy. The neutral game with Louisville and the preseason NIT should provide enough of a challenge for a team that brings back just 7 players and (as of now at least) is projected to very thin at the 1-3 spots. I feel like Pitino really needs to make the tournament this upcoming season or (hopefully and) have a very good 2015 recruiting season. We don't want to be going in to year 3 losing three or four of our top five players and looking at "rebuilding" with 3 star kids. Now it's VERY easy for me to say that I am fine with a softer schedule this upcoming season as I am not faced with the decision of spending 3-3 1/2 hours of a weekday night to see the latest incarnation of Maryland Eastern Shore OR eat the cost of the tickets and do something else. A lot of the non-conference games, I don't even watch live as I just avoid the score and catch them on the DVR if I have something else to do. The season ticket holders have suffered through enough weak non-conference seasons that it's hard to ask them to give Richard "time" to beef up the schedule. As much as I love Gopher hoops, I think I'd have been frustrated enough by the lack of overall success of the program to give up season tickets at some point. Those that have hung on for every year post-Clem are the true die-hards who deserve to be celebrating B1G titles or at least top 3-4 finishes much more than a fan like me.

A separate point on scheduling that I think has to be pointed out is that we need to schedule smart when looking for a high major series. A series with Marquette would make a ton of sense for both the Golden Gophers and the Golden Eagles as we both have interests in the others recruiting turf. A series with Iowa State is great for the Cyclones, but makes no sense for the Gophers. A series with a blue blood program would be great, but are we at a point to feel like that home game would be a great shot at a win over a UNC or Kansas? Also, those schools can pick who they want to play and I am sure they see some downside to a game at Williams Arena where the Gophers were pretty good last year. On the other end of the spectrum, would a Wazzu, Wake, Mississippi State, Oregon State, DePaul, or other high major that is currently down have interest in a home and home when they could just as easily schedule Penn State, Northwestern, or Purdue? I would assume those schools would rather either play a top of the conference team for drawing power/chance at a program boosting win OR schedule a bottom of the conference team for a better chance at a win.

Potential good fits that would benefit both schools:

1. Marquette- Only question here is whether the Golden Eagles would want to play both the Badgers and the Golden Gophers every year
2. Washington- Similar big city market, would seem like a natural out of conference fit
3. Missouri- Though I think the Tigers would prefer playing old Big 12 rivals all things being equal and they already play Illinois
4. Colorado- Similar to Missouri in that the Buffs might prefer playing Big 12 teams
5. Cincinnati- Would be great to renew that series and the Bobcats could benefit given the state of their league
6. Xavier- Would rather play Cincy if we were going to get a series going with a team from that city
7. USC- Enfield and Pitino took over their squads the same year and we recently played a series.

I am sure someone could come up with some more options that would make sense for both schools to schedule a series. What I'd personally love to see is for the Gophers/School X to agree to like a 6 game contract. I think a real rivalry of sorts would develop between the schools that could be beneficial to both schools. I could see Minnesota and Washington being a great fit for a series like this. Neither of us has a number one rival from out of conference, so I don't think it would take much for both schools fans to get up for a series like this.

Well said..

I go to games and guess what they are non conference games. Yes sometimes cupcakes... I have have not been to a big ten game in 3 years but been to 8 non conference games.. and I am not bitching! I don't care who the play, I want them to make the dance.
 




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