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Finebaum.....who was subsequently saying last week that Indiana has beaten nobody (won AT Oregon) and barely got by Penn State.....as proof for why they are too highly ranked. In the next breath.....defending Texas's OT wins against Kentucky and Miss State because 'who cares....they won'.

He's a dipshit who also thought the three loss Alabama team (that got smished by a 7-5 Michigan in their bowl game) deserved to be in the playoffs last year. He shouldn't have a platform with how many bad takes he gives.


Fact is that the expansion to a 12 team playoffs was supposed to be so that all P5 conferences and the best G5 were represented. Not so these dopey SEC lapdogs could argue over why a three loss SEC team should be included.
 

stocker08 said:
Finebaum.....who was subsequently saying last week that Indiana has beaten nobody (won AT Oregon) and barely got by Penn State.....as proof for why they are too highly ranked. In the next breath.....defending Texas's OT wins against Kentucky and Miss State because 'who cares....they won'.

He's a dipshit who also thought the three loss Alabama team (that got smished by a 7-5 Michigan in their bowl game) deserved to be in the playoffs last year. He shouldn't have a platform with how many bad takes he gives.

Fact is that the expansion to a 12 team playoffs was supposed to be so that all P5 conferences and the best G5 were represented. Not so these dopey SEC lapdogs could argue over why a three loss SEC team should be included.
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He is a dipshit, and yet some people here take the same position he does with regards to conference affiliation.
 

Whole system is broken. You have 25 or so teams that have a shot to win a conference title and or make the CFP. The rest are just playing for their development and our entertainment.
 

IceBoxGopher said:
I mean, I get that argument, but shouldn't they split into another division entirely then? What's the point of them being in the FBS then?
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There really is no point of them being in the FBS at all.

When you look at their revenue, they absolutely are not in the same division as the P4.
 


I would prefer a system which is an 8 team play-off which includes the B1G, SEC, ACC, and B12 only. Each team gets 2 teams - and first game is the conference championship. If you cannot win your own conference, you have no business being named National Champion. If you are not in the Big 4 conferences, join one if you want to compete for this. If you are independent, tough luck.

Of course, this will never happen because the SEC will demand unlimited do-overs so they will want 4-5 teams vs. the 2 for them.

For the B1G - would it have mattered if USC beat OR today and then both them and OR slide into the play-offs as low ranked teams? No one in their right mind would say USC was going to run the tables so having 4 vs. 3 B1G teams really makes no difference to me. Having a G5 school is the same - they are not going to win it all so why bother? At this point, it is literally just the SEC trying to game the system because they try to protect their teams during conference pay so top teams don't play each other until the championship.

BTW, when I looked at the Top 25 coming into this week - Mizzu (3 losses) had yet to beat a team with a winning record and were ranked in the top 25. Tennessee (3 losses) was also ranked in the top 25 with its only win against a team with a winning record being an FCS school. Keep in mind these are the type of 'quality wins' that the Bamas and Texas A&Ms hang their hats on to justify their rankings. Even for Ole Miss - they have beaten 3 teams with a winning record - Oklahoma (quality win), Tulane (non-P4), and LSU - which is a dumpster fire and no different than beating Penn State this season and they are in the top 6 in the nation. I don't see any scenario in which most of these SEC teams they are fighting to include have any chance of winning. Texas? They are middling. Vandy? Again, they only beat the other middlings like Mizzu (which will be unranked after this week).

The SEC has Bama, Georgia, and A&M (A&M escaped multiple games) this year with a legit shot at the championship. If you are a serious person, you know that Ole Miss and Oklahoma have no real shot. Even for the B1G - we have the IN vs. OR head to head already. After we have the B1G championship, we will have OSU vs. IN decided. Why bother giving a do-over to OR or the loser of OSU vs. Indiana? We only demand it because the SEC gets do-overs.

Sorry, a lot of text but it boils down to: 8 team playoff of just let the computers decide the top 2 teams and let them play. The expanded playoffs and the human element rather than computers have ruined this system and will continue to alienate fans.
 

Goldmember said:
There really is no point of them being in the FBS at all.

When you look at their revenue, they absolutely are not in the same division as the P4.
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Why is their revenue relevant to this discussion? This is about playing football.
 

disco said:
Why is their revenue relevant to this discussion? This is about playing football.
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Exactly. Which the Group of 5 doesn’t do nearly well enough to get into a playoff that includes the best teams in the B1G and SEC.
 

Goldmember said:
Exactly. Which the Group of 5 doesn’t do nearly well enough to get into a playoff that includes the best teams in the B1G and SEC.
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Then why bring up revenue at all unless you're just trolling, which you appear to be at this point.
 



Goldmember said:
Ohio State very easily destroyed the field last year in the CFP. They finished fourth place in the B1G.

Sorry, but if you think Tulane or James Madison or some other mediocre team that wouldn’t even be bowl eligible if they played a B1G or SEC belongs in the CFP, your opinion just can’t be taken seriously.

The real question is whether any Big 12 or ACC teams belong in ten CFP. That we may be able to have a serious discussion about.
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You get to choose who makes up the 12 team CFP field as of today. No restrictions on what conference the teams play in. No mandated bids to any conference Champions or any conferences for that matter. Who you got for your field?

Then, I would like to know if you think your field would be good or bad for the long term growth of interest in the sport?
 

"You get to choose who makes up the 12 team CFP field as of today. No restrictions on what conference the teams play in. No mandated bids to any conference Champions or any conferences for that matter. Who you got for your field?"

For me, I put
B1G: OSU, Indiana, OR
SEC: A&M, GA, Oklahoma, Ole Miss
B12: TT

I would stop at 8. The remaining teams do not belong and you could make the case that even Oklahoma does not belong. Further, I would say out of the teams I have, only OSU, IN, GA, and TT have an actual shot at winning everything. No way Ole Miss runs the table with or without Kiffen drama. A&M has continually escaped with wins and their luck will run out as well - which actually even happen this week.


My rational would be:
7 of the top 8 are 1 loss teams.

Oklahoma is a 2 loss team and their pool would include:
Bama - Oklahoma just beat Bama head to head (no need for a rematch this soon)
ND - best win is USC which is barely a Top 20 team this year

So, to avoid dilution, they should stop at 8 teams and I would take Oklahoma over Bama.

In fact, I would say that there is no logical reason for ND to even be ranked ahead of BYU.
BYU beat Utah and only lost to TT. The have 5 wins over teams with a winning record. They have a better resume than ND and it is to the point that we start comparing them to Bama.

Bama has wins over GA, Vandy, Mizzu, Tennessee, and LSU - BUT, Vandy basically has beaten LSU and Mizzu this year. They are vastly overrated due to their early season win over SC when people actually thought South Carolina was good (now 4-7). Tennessee has beat ONE team with a winning record which is an FCS team. Mizzu is no longer ranked in the AP and has yet (11 games into the season) to beat a team with a winning record.

For Bama vs. BYU, Bama's best win is better with GA vs. Utah - BUT - Bama lost to a 5-6 FSU team while BYU's only loss was to a Top 10 TT. If what actually happens on the field matters, you cannot rank Bama ahead of BYU at this point.

So, to avoid the debate, the playoffs should be shrunk to 8 teams with no byes if it was held today.
 

Since my whole position is that all conference champions get auto bids, my field would be (I'm speculating the conference champions here). Because the Pac 12 only consists of two teams until the next reorg, they don't get an auto bid.

Ohio State - B1G
Georgia - SEC
Texas Tech - Big 12
Virginia - ACC
North Texas - American
James Madison - Sun Belt
Western Kentucky - CUSA
Western Michigan - MAC
San Diego State - MWC

So that gives us nine. My at large would be:
Indiana, Oregon, A&M.

Now I personally hate byes, and I think there should be minimum of 16 teams, thus eliminating byes.
So the next four would be:
Ole Miss, Oklahoma, ND, and BYU.

Corrected. I missed A&M.
 
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Next year PAC 12 is back with 8 teams. I wish the Group of 5/6 would stop playing regular season vs the P4 and set up a system that qualifies 1 team to a college football playoff.
 



disco said:
Since my whole position is that all conference champions get auto bids, my field would be (I'm speculating the conference champions here). Because the Pac 12 only consists of two teams until the next reorg, they don't get an auto bid.

Ohio State - B1G
Georgia - SEC
Texas Tech - Big 12
Virginia - ACC
North Texas - American
James Madison - Sun Belt
Western Kentucky - CUSA
Western Michigan - MAC
San Diego State - MWC

So that gives us nine. My at large would be:
Indiana, Oregon, A&M.

Now I personally hate byes, and I think there should be minimum of 16 teams, thus eliminating byes.
So the next four would be:
Ole Miss, Oklahoma, ND, and BYU.

Corrected. I missed A&M.
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Does Texas A&M have to play at Western Kentucky? In the round of 16?
 

Goldmember said:
Does Texas A&M have to play at Western Kentucky? In the round of 16?
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No. It wouldn't be like the NFL where conference champions get home games or a higher seed automatically. The higher seed would always play at home in my system.

The champions get auto bids, but once the field is filled, everyone is seeded regardless of winning a conference. So off the top of my head (not going to spend too much time analyzing), the field of 16 I listed above could be seeded:

1. OSU
2. Georgia
3. Indiana
4. A&M
5. Texas Tech
6. Oregon
7. Ole Miss
8. Oklahoma
9. BYU
10. ND
11. JMU
12. North Texas
13. Virginia
14. San Diego State
15. W. Kentucky
16. W. Michigan

This system would still weigh heavily for the top two conferences. In this scenario, the B1G has three and SEC has four teams. One could probably argue that 4 from any one conference is maybe too many. But this year there's no Pac-12 (if there were, ND would be booted from this scenario) so one less auto bid.

The Big 12 has two teams. ND is an independent of course, and the ACC only gets one. Had GA Tech not shit the bed against Pitt this week, I'd have guessed them to be ACC champion and ranked them probably 8th or 9th, but UVa does nothing for me.
 

disco said:
Since my whole position is that all conference champions get auto bids, my field would be (I'm speculating the conference champions here). Because the Pac 12 only consists of two teams until the next reorg, they don't get an auto bid.
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I have always agreed with this premise. Establish a minimum number of teams to qualify as a conference (8 seems good) and go back to needing 12 teams at a minimum to have a conference championship game.

Playoff field is set to the nearest multiple of "8" above the number of conferences that qualify. So this year there would be 9 automatic qualifiers, then that means you have 16 teams in the field.

Ideally this would incentivize conferences to remain smaller and regional. It would also make conference championship games a defacto playoff game so they actually mean something again.

That is what would be best for the sport. Thus, it will never happen.
 

disco said:
He is a dipshit, and yet some people here take the same position he does with regards to conference affiliation.
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Hey, I resemble that remark! ;)

That being said, my SEC favoritism is fading a bit with the transfer portal like it is.
 

Goldmember said:
Ohio State very easily destroyed the field last year in the CFP. They finished fourth place in the B1G.

Sorry, but if you think Tulane or James Madison or some other mediocre team that wouldn’t even be bowl eligible if they played a B1G or SEC belongs in the CFP, your opinion just can’t be taken seriously.

The real question is whether any Big 12 or ACC teams belong in ten CFP. That we may be able to have a serious discussion about.
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You get to choose who makes up the 12 team CFP field as of today. No restrictions on what conference the teams play in. No mandated bids to any conference Champions or any conferences for that matter. Who you got for your field?

Then, I would like to know if you think your field would be good or bad for the long term growth of interest in the sport?

Goldmember, you haven't replied. Why not? Who you got for your 12 team playoff, no restrictions as I mentioned above. Then, would your field be good or bad for the long term growth of interest in the sport?

You seem to pounce when anyone dares to suggest the tourney be more inclusive. Who's your 12 teams?
 

Gophers2Omaha said:
You get to choose who makes up the 12 team CFP field as of today. No restrictions on what conference the teams play in. No mandated bids to any conference Champions or any conferences for that matter. Who you got for your field?

Then, I would like to know if you think your field would be good or bad for the long term growth of interest in the sport?

Goldmember, you haven't replied. Why not? Who you got for your 12 team playoff, no restrictions as I mentioned above. Then, would your field be good or bad for the long term growth of interest in the sport?

You seem to pounce when anyone dares to suggest the tourney be more inclusive. Who's your 12 teams?
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Goldmember doesn't think anyone outside the B1G and SEC should be included. Never mind that in the last 15 years, the ACC has had as many champions as the B1G. And Texas Tech, BYU and Utah are in the top 12 right now.

I can't think of anything more boring than just having the B1G and SEC in the playoffs, and it would absolutely kill interest in the game.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Next year PAC 12 is back with 8 teams. I wish the Group of 5/6 would stop playing regular season vs the P4 and set up a system that qualifies 1 team to a college football playoff.
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Why even throw out a 'bread crumb bid' for the G5/6 if you are going to exclude them from playing the P4 during the regular season? Just curious. Glad you think they should get the one bid nonetheless. One is better than none.

I think all the conference Champions should receive a bid. P4's Texas Tech is my example/anecdote of why:

I think Oklahoma (Blue Blood) and Texas (Blue Blood) leaving the Big 12 put a little jump in Texas Techs fans, administration, boosters, and...Billionaires. Texas Tech NEVER won the Big 12 when Oklahoma and Texas were members. ZERO titles since the league was formed in 1996. They did tie for 1st in the South Division in 2008 with Oklahoma and Texas. Oklahoma went to and won the Big 12 Championship game.

Yet, here they are. Pretty good chance they win the Big 12 (For the 1st time in history!) and get a berth to the College Football playoff.

It may be a coincidence, but I think there is a decent chance the boosters, fans, administration, and...Billionaires were like "We actually have a chance to make this playoff now that the Blue Bloods are gone. Let's invest."

Point being, isn't there a chance the G5/6 teams, at least some of them, decide to really invest and go for it if they know they get in the tournament by winning their conference, like Texas Tech? If ALL of the G5/6 schools are competing for 1 'bread crumb bid', why would their fans, boosters, etc bother wasting their money. Odds are almost 100% you'll be wasting your investment and that it won't result in a playoff bid in this current environment.
 

Gophers2Omaha said:
It may be a coincidence, but I think there is a decent chance the boosters, fans, administration, and...Billionaires were like "We actually have a chance to make this playoff now that the Blue Bloods are gone. Let's invest."
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We've discussed a fair amount here about A&M and Texas Tech spending a ton on football. But I could absolutely see a G5 team in Texas - think UNT, Texas State, UTSA, Rice (well, maybe not Rice - they have money, but super high academic standards) spending a ridiculous amount to build a super team. It's basically what SMU did back in the day.

Picture some oil zillionaire who's kid decided to go play for UNT. Dad is going to do everything he can to buy the best team to surround his kid with. It really isn't far fetched.
 

disco said:
Goldmember doesn't think anyone outside the B1G and SEC should be included. Never mind that in the last 15 years, the ACC has had as many champions as the B1G. And Texas Tech, BYU and Utah are in the top 12 right now.

I can't think of anything more boring than just having the B1G and SEC in the playoffs, and it would absolutely kill interest in the game.
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100% agree. This is my personal anecdotal experience including two other Gophers sports I mention a bit as well. I bet you can extrapolate this experience out big time to a huge amount of fans out there:

1. Wife: Mountain West school alum. College friends group (Which includes some of their husbands who are alums of the school) have stopped texting about their games, caring about the games. This year, I'm talking DONE completely. 15-20 people.

2. Parents: lifelong Gopher fans. Season ticket holders for 20+ years until they moved out of MN. Totally DONE. Dad stopped paying attention completely this year. Last year for the most part as well. Mom was kind of along for the ride but she's out too now. Dad can't stand what is going on even though one of the monopolizing conferences is the B1G so it should help the Gophers hypothetically. Thinks it is ridiculous to have two conferences take over the sport at literally everyone else's expense. 2 people. DONE.

3. Best friend: Graduate of University of Texas system, not Austin. Totally done. Basically thinks the whole thing is rigged now for the Blue Bloods. Mutual friend of ours from Texas is fired up for Texas A& M so I do need to mention that... Best Friend, 1 person. DONE

4. Minnesota friends (These are Gopher die hards/season tickets in hoops and football for years): Zero texts during this year's football season among the group. Literally for the first time ever. Sad in a way but true - a great majority of our relations the last 15 years (I live out of State and have for those 15 years.) have been texts about the Gophers. Only texts we've had this year are about music and movies. Actually did have a couple Gopher Baseball texts now that I think of it (Which is DONE by the way. $$$ and the SEC are well on their way to making it a 1 conference sport. That equals DONE as a sport, for real. I wonder how Omaha is going to feel when all 8 representatives are from the SEC...? That is coming.) Anyway, .I'm not a 100% sure this means these guys are permanently DONE but they are right now. So I'm counting these guys for the time being at least,. as DONE. That's 10 more guys. DONE.

5. Me: I'll try to keep this quick because this is the most rambling, probably incoherent post ever. Love(d) Gophers baseball. Went to several NCAA Regionals to watch them. Now, for reasons mentioned above, totally DONE. I did watch a little bit of Murray St in the CWS...A few innings when they were no hit by the Arkansas pitcher. Gophers baseball, didn't pay attention to 1 pitch or look at 1 box score this past season. Why waste my time. Love Gophers football and hoops. Have my whole life. I do watch the Gopher football games and basketball. That's it. No other games/teams. Not even the Mountain West games which I've liked to watch in the past. So, Gophers football and hoops barely hanging in but... NOT DONE!! Let's goooo!! Ha ha Rest of the teams besides the G5 team in the playoff and maybe Indiana and Texas Tech in the playoff, I'm DONE. 1 person.

***Bonus comment: I have an idea on how to salvage college football. Its a ridiculous take but I think it would work. Maybe I'll post it in the next few days even though it will probably just get absolutely savaged...
 

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Gophers2Omaha said:
Why even throw out a 'bread crumb bid' for the G5/6 if you are going to exclude them from playing the P4 during the regular season? Just curious. Glad you think they should get the one bid nonetheless. One is better than none.

I think all the conference Champions should receive a bid. P4's Texas Tech is my example/anecdote of why:

I think Oklahoma (Blue Blood) and Texas (Blue Blood) leaving the Big 12 put a little jump in Texas Techs fans, administration, boosters, and...Billionaires. Texas Tech NEVER won the Big 12 when Oklahoma and Texas were members. ZERO titles since the league was formed in 1996. They did tie for 1st in the South Division in 2008 with Oklahoma and Texas. Oklahoma went to and won the Big 12 Championship game.

Yet, here they are. Pretty good chance they win the Big 12 (For the 1st time in history!) and get a berth to the College Football playoff.

It may be a coincidence, but I think there is a decent chance the boosters, fans, administration, and...Billionaires were like "We actually have a chance to make this playoff now that the Blue Bloods are gone. Let's invest."

Point being, isn't there a chance the G5/6 teams, at least some of them, decide to really invest and go for it if they know they get in the tournament by winning their conference, like Texas Tech? If ALL of the G5/6 schools are competing for 1 'bread crumb bid', why would their fans, boosters, etc bother wasting their money. Odds are almost 100% you'll be wasting your investment and that it won't result in a playoff bid in this current environment.
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I can get behind a 24 team playoff with auto bids.
 

Gophers2Omaha said:
***Bonus comment: I have an idea on how to salvage college football. Its a ridiculous take but I think it would work. Maybe I'll post it in the next few days even though it will probably just get absolutely savaged...
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I would be interested in reading it.
 

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Gophers2Omaha said:
Goldmember, you haven't replied. Why not? Who you got for your 12 team playoff, no restrictions as I mentioned above. Then, would your field be good or bad for the long term growth of interest in the sport?

You seem to pounce when anyone dares to suggest the tourney be more inclusive. Who's your 12 teams?
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As things are structured, I don’t have a problem with the current system. So my 12 are pretty much whoever the committee picks 12 days from now.

I just think the future of the CFP is not ever going to include more than ONE G5, G6 or G7 team. And if the CFP does expand, it should be to include SEC or B1G division champions.

More fans would be interested to see a team like Iowa, for instance (that may have won a B1G division), playing at Oklahoma in the first round rather than Western Kentucky playing at Oregon. And, then, all the regular season games to get them there become more interesting too.
 

Goldmember said:
As things are structured, I don’t have a problem with the current system. So my 12 are pretty much whoever the committee picks 12 days from now.

I just think the future of the CFP is not ever going to include more than ONE G5, G6 or G7 team. And if the CFP does expand, it should be to include SEC or B1G division champions.

More fans would be interested to see a team like Iowa, for instance (that may have won a B1G division), playing at Oklahoma in the first round rather than Western Kentucky playing at Oregon. And, then, all the regular season games to get them there become more interesting too.
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The B1G and SEC don't have divisions, so where are these mythical division champions coming from? At least know what you're talking about.

And who are you to speak to what "more fans" would be interested in seeing? I personally would rather see underdogs play. I'd even say that there should be a cap on the number of teams per conference.

You've tried to make your point bu saying the G5 shouldn't be part of FBS, but the fact is, they are. You've brought up that they shouldn't be included because of some vague revenue reason. Then you say they aren't good at football. And now you refer to non-existent divisions.
 
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Gophers2Omaha said:
100% agree. This is my personal anecdotal experience including two other Gophers sports I mention a bit as well. I bet you can extrapolate this experience out big time to a huge amount of fans out there:

1. Wife: Mountain West school alum. College friends group (Which includes some of their husbands who are alums of the school) have stopped texting about their games, caring about the games. This year, I'm talking DONE completely. 15-20 people.

2. Parents: lifelong Gopher fans. Season ticket holders for 20+ years until they moved out of MN. Totally DONE. Dad stopped paying attention completely this year. Last year for the most part as well. Mom was kind of along for the ride but she's out too now. Dad can't stand what is going on even though one of the monopolizing conferences is the B1G so it should help the Gophers hypothetically. Thinks it is ridiculous to have two conferences take over the sport at literally everyone else's expense. 2 people. DONE.

3. Best friend: Graduate of University of Texas system, not Austin. Totally done. Basically thinks the whole thing is rigged now for the Blue Bloods. Mutual friend of ours from Texas is fired up for Texas A& M so I do need to mention that... Best Friend, 1 person. DONE

4. Minnesota friends (These are Gopher die hards/season tickets in hoops and football for years): Zero texts during this year's football season among the group. Literally for the first time ever. Sad in a way but true - a great majority of our relations the last 15 years (I live out of State and have for those 15 years.) have been texts about the Gophers. Only texts we've had this year are about music and movies. Actually did have a couple Gopher Baseball texts now that I think of it (Which is DONE by the way. $$$ and the SEC are well on their way to making it a 1 conference sport. That equals DONE as a sport, for real. I wonder how Omaha is going to feel when all 8 representatives are from the SEC...? That is coming.) Anyway, .I'm not a 100% sure this means these guys are permanently DONE but they are right now. So I'm counting these guys for the time being at least,. as DONE. That's 10 more guys. DONE.

5. Me: I'll try to keep this quick because this is the most rambling, probably incoherent post ever. Love(d) Gophers baseball. Went to several NCAA Regionals to watch them. Now, for reasons mentioned above, totally DONE. I did watch a little bit of Murray St in the CWS...A few innings when they were no hit by the Arkansas pitcher. Gophers baseball, didn't pay attention to 1 pitch or look at 1 box score this past season. Why waste my time. Love Gophers football and hoops. Have my whole life. I do watch the Gopher football games and basketball. That's it. No other games/teams. Not even the Mountain West games which I've liked to watch in the past. So, Gophers football and hoops barely hanging in but... NOT DONE!! Let's goooo!! Ha ha Rest of the teams besides the G5 team in the playoff and maybe Indiana and Texas Tech in the playoff, I'm DONE. 1 person.

***Bonus comment: I have an idea on how to salvage college football. Its a ridiculous take but I think it would work. Maybe I'll post it in the next few days even though it will probably just get absolutely savaged...
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I think this is true for a lot of people, myself included. But I'm not sure it's because of the bolded sentence in the post you were replying too. It's more of teams just buying up the talent.
 

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