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Even though Minnesota high schools rank well below national average producing DI football recruits, these percentages didn't add up for last Saturday's Iowa-Minnesota game in Iowa City. In the Hawkeyes 12-0 victory, of the 44 'line of scrimmage' STARTERS, 12 represented Minnesota high schools and only six represented Iowa high schools. I'm very shocked about this ratio, but it is a fact. Three of these Minnesota starters played for Hawkeyes, the only offensive being center Rafael Eubanks from St. Paul's Cretin-Derham Hall. Defensively, the Hawkeyes were led by Cretin-Derham Hall's DE Broderick Binns and Caledonia's Karl Klug who each registered a tackle for a loss in the 2nd quarter to contribute the Hawkeye shutout victory. Not one Iowa native was listed as a Gopher starter. As I've said, kids out of Minnesota high schools can play the game, as Cretin-Derham Hall's senior OT Seantrel Henderson is the No. 1 recruit of any position colleges nationally are going after.
HOWEVER: Brandon Wegher (Sioux City, IA) would likely have started for Hawkeyes Saturday if not for nagging injuries, as would WR Eric Decker (Cold Spring, MN) for Gophers. Wegher rushed for game's only TD, so technically Iowa had seven (not six) natives play a significant role Saturday. So if not for injuries, 13 starters would have represented Minnesota high schools Saturday and seven represent Iowa high schools.

BUT REMEMBER, if Iowa State and Northern Iowa were in the Big 10, then Iowa high schools outnumber Minnesota high schools 26-18 when it comes to starters in Nov. 21 games. And before you make fun out of Northern Iowa, remember it gave Hawkeyes a better game in Iowa City than Gophers. And Iowa State has beaten Iowa seven of last 12 and won at Nebraska this year. So when it comes to high school football, give the edge to Iowa over Minnesota because Iowa has two million less people, so therefore, Iowa per-capita has better youth football all-around, even though Minnesota with James Laurinaitis (Wayzata), Marion Barber (Wayzata), Larry Fitzgerald (Holy Angels), Matt Birk (Cretin Derham Hall) along with Cretin's Michael Floyd (Notre Dame, WR) and Henderson may have the edge over Iowa when it comes to "Select" players.

Iowa Hawkeye offensive starters from MN-IA on Sat
James Vandenberg, Fr, QB, Keokuk IA
Adam Robinson, Fr, RB, Des Moines IA
Rafael Eubanks, Sr, C, Cretin-Derham Hall MN
Julian Vandervelde, Jr, RG, Davenport IA

Minnesota Gopher defensive starters from MN on Sat
Barrett Moen, Sr, DE, Bloomington MN
Nate Triplett, Sr, LB, Delano MN
Marcus Sherels, Sr, CB, Rochester MN
Kim Royston, Jr, S, Minneapolis MN

Minnesota Gopher offensive starters from MN on Sat
Adam Weber, Jr, QB, Shoreview MN
Jon Hoese, Jr, FB, Glencoe MN
Nick Tow-Arnett, Sr, Redwood Falls MN
Chris Bunders, Sr, LG, Maple Grove MN
Matt Carufel, Jr, RG, Forest Lake MN

Iowa Hawkeye defensive starters from MN-IA on Sat
Karl Klug, Jr, DT, Caledonia MN
Broderick Binns, So, DE, Cretin-Derham Hall MN
Pat Angerer, Sr, LB, Bettendorf IA
Tyler Sash, So, S, Oskaloosa IA
Brett Greenwood, Jr, S, Bettendorf IA

Wisconsin Badgers offensive starters from WI-MN vs. Northwestern on Sat
Isaac Anderson, Jr, WR, Hopkins MN
Gabe Carimi, Jr, LT, Cottage Grove WI
Peter Konz, Fr, C, Neenah WI
Kevin Zeitler, So., RG, Waukesha WI
Jake Bscherer, Jr, RT, Sturgeon Bay WI
Lance Kendricks, Jr., TE, Milwaukee WI
John Clay, So, RB, Racine WI

Northwestern offensive starters from WI vs. Wisconsin on Sat
Adam Hahn, Sr., RT, Hartford WI

Northwestern defensive starters from WI-MN vs. Wisconsin on Sat
Adam Hahn, Sr., DT, Hartford WI
Bryce McNaul, So, LB, Eden Prairie MN

Wisconsin Badgers defensive starters from WI vs. Northwestern on Sat
J.J. Watt, So., DE, Pewaukee WI
Chris Maragos, Sr., FS, Racine WI

TOTAL NATIVE STATES REPRESENTATIVES THAT STARTED SATURDAY IOWA-MN & NW-WIS GAMES NOV. 21
Minnesota-14 (15 if you want to include Eric Decker)
Wisconsin-9
Iowa-6 (7 if you want to include Brandon Wegher)

Iowa State Cyclone offense starters from IA-MN vs Missouri on Sat
Ben Lamaak, RG, Jr, Cedar Rapids IA
Austen Aranaud, QB, JR, Ames IA
Alexander Robinson, RB, Jr., DeLaSalle MN
Jake Williams, WR, Jr, West Des Moines IA

Iowa State Cyclone defensive starters from IA vs Missouri on Sat
Patrick Neal, LE, So, West Des Moines, IA
Nate Frere, DT, Sr., Muscatine IA
Jesse Smith, MLB, Sr., Altoona IA
James Smith, FS, Sr., Council Bluffs, IA

Missouri Tiger defensive starters from IA vs Iowa State on Sat
Dan Hoch, RT, So, Harlan IA

Northern Iowa Panther offense starters from IA-WI-MN vs Illinois State on Sat
D.P. Eyman, WR, Sr., Iowa City IA
Ryan Mahaffey, TE, Jr, Grinnell IA
Austin Howard, LT, Sr., Davenport IA
Nate Herrig, LG, Clinton IA
Austin Steichen, C, Sr, Remsen, IA
Jason Fiacco, RG, Sr., Oconomowoc WI
Jordan Limbaugh, RT, Sr, Algona IA
Maurice Turner, WR, Jr, Mounds View MN
Pat Grace, QB, Sr., Sioux City IA

Northern Iowa Panther defensive starters from IA-MN vs Illinois State on Sat
Chuck Kinney, DT, Jr, Des Moines IA
Wes Lane, DT, Sr., Waterloo IA
James Ruffin, DE, Sr. Burnsville MN
Jamar Thompson, LB, Jr., Andover MN
Garrett Scott, SS, Fr, Davenport IA
Quentin Scott, FS, Sr, Des Moines North IA
J.J. Swain, CB, Fr, Burnsville MN

Notre Dame starters from MN vs Connecticut on Sat
Michael Floyd, WR, So., Cretin-Derham Hall MN

GRAND TOTAL NATIVE STATE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT CONTRIBUTED STARTERS FOR IOWA, MINN, WIS, NORTHWESTERN, IOWA STATE, NORTHERN IOWA, MISSOURI & NOTRE DAME ON SATURDAY, NOV. 21:
IOWA-26
MINNESOTA-21
WISCONSIN-10
(I didn't factor in Drake, South Dakota State, South Dakota, Northern Illinois, North Dakota or North Dakota State, where you would have several more from Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota)

Anyway, pretty respectable number for Minnesota, so maybe Tim Brewster should take some blame for the Gopher football woes? I still blame it on lack of enthusiasm from University of Minnesota administrators.
 

Wow...that seems like an awful lot of work.
 

GopherKISS said:
Even though Minnesota high schools rank well below national average producing DI football recruits, these percentages didn't add up for last Saturday's Iowa-Minnesota game in Iowa City. In the Hawkeyes 12-0 victory, of the 44 'line of scrimmage' STARTERS, 12 represented Minnesota high schools and only six represented Iowa high schools. I'm very shocked about this ratio, but it is a fact. Three of these Minnesota starters played for Hawkeyes, the only offensive being center Rafael Eubanks from St. Paul's Cretin-Derham Hall. Defensively, the Hawkeyes were led by Cretin-Derham Hall's DE Broderick Binns and Caledonia's Karl Klug who each registered a tackle for a loss in the 2nd quarter to contribute the Hawkeye shutout victory. Not one Iowa native was listed as a Gopher starter. As I've said, kids out of Minnesota high schools can play the game, as Cretin-Derham Hall's senior OT Seantrel Henderson is the No. 1 recruit of any position colleges nationally are going after.
HOWEVER: Brandon Wegher (Sioux City, IA) would likely have started for Hawkeyes Saturday if not for nagging injuries, as would WR Eric Decker (Cold Spring, MN) for Gophers. Wegher rushed for game's only TD, so technically Iowa had seven (not six) natives play a significant role Saturday. So if not for injuries, 13 starters would have represented Minnesota high schools Saturday and seven represent Iowa high schools.

BUT REMEMBER, if Iowa State and Northern Iowa were in the Big 10, then Iowa high schools outnumber Minnesota high schools 26-18 when it comes to starters in Nov. 21 games. And before you make fun out of Northern Iowa, remember it gave Hawkeyes a better game in Iowa City than Gophers. And Iowa State has beaten Iowa seven of last 12 and won at Nebraska this year. So when it comes to high school football, give the edge to Iowa over Minnesota because Iowa has two million less people, so therefore, Iowa per-capita has better youth football all-around, even though Minnesota with James Laurinaitis (Wayzata), Marion Barber (Wayzata), Larry Fitzgerald (Holy Angels), Matt Birk (Cretin Derham Hall) along with Cretin's Michael Floyd (Notre Dame, WR) and Henderson may have the edge over Iowa when it comes to "Select" players.

Iowa Hawkeye offensive starters from MN-IA on Sat
James Vandenberg, Fr, QB, Keokuk IA
Adam Robinson, Fr, RB, Des Moines IA
Rafael Eubanks, Sr, C, Cretin-Derham Hall MN
Julian Vandervelde, Jr, RG, Davenport IA

Minnesota Gopher defensive starters from MN on Sat
Barrett Moen, Sr, DE, Bloomington MN
Nate Triplett, Sr, LB, Delano MN
Marcus Sherels, Sr, CB, Rochester MN
Kim Royston, Jr, S, Minneapolis MN

Minnesota Gopher offensive starters from MN on Sat
Adam Weber, Jr, QB, Shoreview MN
Jon Hoese, Jr, FB, Glencoe MN
Nick Tow-Arnett, Sr, Redwood Falls MN
Chris Bunders, Sr, LG, Maple Grove MN
Matt Carufel, Jr, RG, Forest Lake MN

Iowa Hawkeye defensive starters from MN-IA on Sat
Karl Klug, Jr, DT, Caledonia MN
Broderick Binns, So, DE, Cretin-Derham Hall MN
Pat Angerer, Sr, LB, Bettendorf IA
Tyler Sash, So, S, Oskaloosa IA
Brett Greenwood, Jr, S, Bettendorf IA

Wisconsin Badgers offensive starters from WI-MN vs. Northwestern on Sat
Isaac Anderson, Jr, WR, Hopkins MN
Gabe Carimi, Jr, LT, Cottage Grove WI
Peter Konz, Fr, C, Neenah WI
Kevin Zeitler, So., RG, Waukesha WI
Jake Bscherer, Jr, RT, Sturgeon Bay WI
Lance Kendricks, Jr., TE, Milwaukee WI
John Clay, So, RB, Racine WI

Northwestern offensive starters from WI vs. Wisconsin on Sat
Adam Hahn, Sr., RT, Hartford WI

Northwestern defensive starters from WI-MN vs. Wisconsin on Sat
Adam Hahn, Sr., DT, Hartford WI
Bryce McNaul, So, LB, Eden Prairie MN

Wisconsin Badgers defensive starters from WI vs. Northwestern on Sat
J.J. Watt, So., DE, Pewaukee WI
Chris Maragos, Sr., FS, Racine WI

TOTAL NATIVE STATES REPRESENTATIVES THAT STARTED SATURDAY IOWA-MN & NW-WIS GAMES NOV. 21
Minnesota-14 (15 if you want to include Eric Decker)
Wisconsin-9
Iowa-6 (7 if you want to include Brandon Wegher)

Iowa State Cyclone offense starters from IA-MN vs Missouri on Sat
Ben Lamaak, RG, Jr, Cedar Rapids IA
Austen Aranaud, QB, JR, Ames IA
Alexander Robinson, RB, Jr., DeLaSalle MN
Jake Williams, WR, Jr, West Des Moines IA

Iowa State Cyclone defensive starters from IA vs Missouri on Sat
Patrick Neal, LE, So, West Des Moines, IA
Nate Frere, DT, Sr., Muscatine IA
Jesse Smith, MLB, Sr., Altoona IA
James Smith, FS, Sr., Council Bluffs, IA

Missouri Tiger defensive starters from IA vs Iowa State on Sat
Dan Hoch, RT, So, Harlan IA

Northern Iowa Panther offense starters from IA-WI-MN vs Illinois State on Sat
D.P. Eyman, WR, Sr., Iowa City IA
Ryan Mahaffey, TE, Jr, Grinnell IA
Austin Howard, LT, Sr., Davenport IA
Nate Herrig, LG, Clinton IA
Austin Steichen, C, Sr, Remsen, IA
Jason Fiacco, RG, Sr., Oconomowoc WI
Jordan Limbaugh, RT, Sr, Algona IA
Maurice Turner, WR, Jr, Mounds View MN
Pat Grace, QB, Sr., Sioux City IA

Northern Iowa Panther defensive starters from IA-MN vs Illinois State on Sat
Chuck Kinney, DT, Jr, Des Moines IA
Wes Lane, DT, Sr., Waterloo IA
James Ruffin, DE, Sr. Burnsville MN
Jamar Thompson, LB, Jr., Andover MN
Garrett Scott, SS, Fr, Davenport IA
Quentin Scott, FS, Sr, Des Moines North IA
J.J. Swain, CB, Fr, Burnsville MN

Notre Dame starters from MN vs Connecticut on Sat
Michael Floyd, WR, So., Cretin-Derham Hall MN

GRAND TOTAL NATIVE STATE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT CONTRIBUTED STARTERS FOR IOWA, MINN, WIS, NORTHWESTERN, IOWA STATE, NORTHERN IOWA, MISSOURI & NOTRE DAME ON SATURDAY, NOV. 21:
IOWA-26
MINNESOTA-21
WISCONSIN-10
(I didn't factor in Drake, South Dakota State, South Dakota, Northern Illinois, North Dakota or North Dakota State, where you would have several more from Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota)

Anyway, pretty respectable number for Minnesota, so maybe Tim Brewster should take some blame for the Gopher football woes? I still blame it on lack of enthusiasm from University of Minnesota administrators.
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Incomplete work, if you really want to make comparisons, you would need to find a full listing for all FBS and FCS schools since you've chosen to include UNI in your list. This list is a little like UW fans using 1993 as their base year in every comparision that compares programs. Nice that it looks like you've made an argument, but it's far from comprehensive or conclusive. You may have a point, but your statistical sample is meaningless and arbitrary (since you even acknowledge the point by noting who you didn't include, I'm not sure what the point of this is other than to cast aspersions at Brewster). Please start again and give us a full picture.
 

keokuk, iowa.

now that is a crazy weird place.
 

I've always felt minn kids were under valued on the national recruiting scene.
 


Weddings and Steak Frys said:
Incomplete work, if you really want to make comparisons, you would need to find a full listing for all FBS and FCS schools since you've chosen to include UNI in your list. This list is a little like UW fans using 1993 as their base year in every comparision that compares programs. Nice that it looks like you've made an argument, but it's far from comprehensive or conclusive. You may have a point, but your statistical sample is meaningless and arbitrary (since you even acknowledge the point by noting who you didn't include, I'm not sure what the point of this is other than to cast aspersions at Brewster). Please start again and give us a full picture.
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No matter what I say, you can't win arguement.

Why don't you take time to research a whole list?*&^!#

UNI about 5 years back had 5 on NFL rosters, including Kurt Warner. They should have won at Iowa this year (2 missed FG at wire). And even if would of should ofs could ofs, they gave Hawkeyes a better battle than 55-0 or 12-0.

It's not like Nothern Iowa is some D2 school. They and Iowa State would destroy Minnesota's 2nd best college team (St. John's or UM-Duluth).

Point is if you had an all-star game of Iowa natives and Minnesota natives, Iowa dominates.
 

GopherKISS said:
No matter what I say, you can't win arguement.

Why don't you take time to research a whole list?*&^!#

UNI about 5 years back had 5 on NFL rosters, including Kurt Warner. They should have won at Iowa this year (2 missed FG at wire). And even if would of should ofs could ofs, they gave Hawkeyes a better battle than 55-0 or 12-0.

It's not like Nothern Iowa is some D2 school. They and Iowa State would destroy Minnesota's 2nd best college team (St. John's or UM-Duluth).

Point is if you had an all-star game of Iowa natives and Minnesota natives, Iowa dominates.
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Not even close, you don't take into account qaulity of starters and like the gentalmen mentioned you leave off the list players like OT Matt Slater who starts for #5 Boise State and players who play a significant role on good teams like David Gilreath and Blake Sorenson. Nice effort though.
 

The list of very good minn players elsewhere is one more example of why it's important that we build a good walk on program. On top of that, alot of discouraged kids who could succeed at this level step down a level. For every walk on who succeeded, another dozen every bit as talented ended up at the Tommies or the Bulldogs etc.
 

Schnoodler said:
The list of very good minn players elsewhere is one more example of why it's important that we build a good walk on program. On top of that, alot of discouraged kids who could succeed at this level step down a level. For every walk on who succeeded, another dozen every bit as talented ended up at the Tommies or the Bulldogs etc.
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I agree 1000%! I have said for years if the gophers could sign the top 10 yes I said 10 players from minnesota every year we would be in the chase annually for the big ten championship.

I you could take all the Minnesota players playing college football this season elsewhere and put them on the gophers I would like us to win the big ten this season.

Wr core would be Mike Floyd, Eric Decker, Issac Anderson, David Gilreath.

Matt Slater at LT with Ralph Eubanks at center,

Alexander Robinson at RB

Hows that for an offense?

Throw in Broderick Binn as a rush end, Blake Sorenson at LB and Klug in the d-line and we compete for the big ten title this year.
 



A one year snapshot doesn't have much value. If you don't mind, I'd really like for you to do a 10 year statistical review. If you're not working today, you could have that done by the time the Gopher BB game comes on. Thanx in advance!
 

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