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WoodburyTim said:
Yep thanks guys. I was hoping for a AK roast and we got one. How else can we show our support for a new QB without tearing apart the old guy. I’ll be here next year appreciating what Brosmer accomplished while you guys rip him apart.
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Give him a cool nickname that's a play off of his family's surname/heritage.
 


dpodoll68 said:
And this was at a college football wasteland, this guy probably getting paid $50K to coach the OL for a Division II team who usually sucks - I think Northern may have still been NAIA at the time.
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25 years ago it was probably closer to $25000
 

highwayman said:
25 years ago it was probably closer to $25000
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You're right, I was thinking that as I typed it, that $50K might even be a little high. I looked it up in the interim, and NSU moved from the NAIA to NCAA in 1995 (can't believe it was that long ago), so they were definitely in NCAA Division II when I took the course. And, again, this guy (a nobody compared to Brian Callahan) was a Michelangelo-level genius at OL play compared to anyone on this board, particularly and especially "Jack jones."
 



Dave H said:
Can both not be done? Is it ok to be happy for the plays he made but criticize the ones he didn't make? That is what I try to do...
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That is the way it is suppose to be, you are right. But that isn't what happens here generally. I think a lot of our fanbase sees that. Not some of the Gopherhole bunch, but I guess that is the way it is.

Play calling, lack of separation on routes by our receivers, drops in big situations, line play etc. all played in to our problems last year. And I get it, it is easier and makes us feel better to point to the one factor that isn't here anymore, AK, because it makes us feel that the problem is solved and optimistic about next year. Imagine if we had to worry that slamming it into the line on 1st and 2nd down and then having to throw it into a tight window on 3rd and 8 was still going to be a problem next year? It would be a little disheartening.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Yes, a know-nothing message board dipshit knows more about OL coaching than a guy who has been paid millions of dollars to coach the position and has put multiple players in the NFL. Get a fucking clue.

More than 20 years ago, when I was still harboring dreams of teaching and coaching at the high school level, I was finishing my teaching licensure and took a football coaching course at Northern State University. At the time, I thought I knew a fair amount about football. The course was taught by the OL coach at Northern. He diagrammed some (as he called them) "basic" OL schemes, and I comprehended maybe 15-20% of what he was saying. It was so far over my head that he may as well have been teaching us hieroglyphics.

And this was at a college football wasteland, this guy probably getting paid $50K to coach the OL for a Division II team who usually sucks - I think Northern may have still been NAIA at the time.

Compared to that guy, Brian Callahan is a god, and compared to you, this guy is a god. The totality of your accumulated OL knowledge could fit in a thimble, and that's being kind. That is why Callahan draws a high-six-figure salary to coach the OL, and why you're a know-nothing anonymous poster on a sports-themed message board.
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I don’t know.. about coaching 35 years in top high school programs as well as 3 years at the number 1 Junior college . Turning down major colleges because illness. Can you match that ?
 

Jack jones said:
I don’t know.. about coaching 35 years in top high school programs as well as 3 years at the number 1 Junior college . Turning down major colleges because illness. Can you match that ?
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I won't get into the pissing match, but based on how we were shredded by injuries at rb in 2022 and had no competency at qb in 23, Callahan has been able to piece together line work that's made us average at worst despite being limited to being almost one dimensional on offense and entirely predictable for opposing defenses. Can we be better? Maybe. But offensive line and o line coaching are not the places where I've wanted to point my finger when its come to the limitations of this team. Callahan has been adequate at worst in my opinion.
 




Jack jones said:
I don’t know.. about coaching 35 years in top high school programs as well as 3 years at the number 1 Junior college . Turning down major colleges because illness. Can you match that ?
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Neat. No, I can't match that, as I've already said. Unlike you, I have the humility to know that I am worse at coaching football than the OL coach for a Big Ten team. How many NFL players did you produce during your illustrious tenure? How did the end of your tenure go so poorly that you've been reduced to posting on an obscure sports-themed message board?
 

dpodoll68 said:
Yes, a know-nothing message board dipshit knows more about OL coaching than a guy who has been paid millions of dollars to coach the position and has put multiple players in the NFL. Get a fucking clue.

More than 20 years ago, when I was still harboring dreams of teaching and coaching at the high school level, I was finishing my teaching licensure and took a football coaching course at Northern State University. At the time, I thought I knew a fair amount about football. The course was taught by the OL coach at Northern. He diagrammed some (as he called them) "basic" OL schemes, and I comprehended maybe 15-20% of what he was saying. It was so far over my head that he may as well have been teaching us hieroglyphics.

And this was at a college football wasteland, this guy probably getting paid $50K to coach the OL for a Division II team who usually sucks - I think Northern may have still been NAIA at the time.

Compared to that guy, Brian Callahan is a god, and compared to you, this guy is a god. The totality of your accumulated OL knowledge could fit in a thimble, and that's being kind. That is why Callahan draws a high-six-figure salary to coach the OL, and why you're a know-nothing anonymous poster on a sports-themed message board.
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At the risk of wading into this pissing match, I gotta say...
I don't think "I wasn't able to follow 'basic OL schemes'" is quite the compelling argument you think it is.
 

in order to really evaluate why a play worked or didn't work, you would have to know every assignment for every player, along with all of the line calls, audibles, adjustments, etc.

99.9% of fans don't have that type of knowledge. a running play gets stuffed at the line, and they think "the OL didn't do it's job." but they don't know whether the back hit the right hole, or whether the QB failed to recognize a defensive shift and wasn't able to audible out of the running play, etc.

and then those same fans complain about play-calling - because if a play doesn't work, it was a bad play call. maybe it was actually a good call, but the players didn't execute the play correctly.

oh - and sometimes the other team makes a good play. that happens, too.
 




short ornery norwegian said:
in order to really evaluate why a play worked or didn't work, you would have to know every assignment for every player, along with all of the line calls, audibles, adjustments, etc.

99.9% of fans don't have that type of knowledge. a running play gets stuffed at the line, and they think "the OL didn't do it's job." but they don't know whether the back hit the right hole, or whether the QB failed to recognize a defensive shift and wasn't able to audible out of the running play, etc.

and then those same fans complain about play-calling - because if a play doesn't work, it was a bad play call. maybe it was actually a good call, but the players didn't execute the play correctly.

oh - and sometimes the other team makes a good play. that happens, too.
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There's no place for reason and rational thought on this board, sir
 

Jack jones said:
I don’t know.. about coaching 35 years in top high school programs as well as 3 years at the number 1 Junior college . Turning down major colleges because illness. Can you match that ?
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Ok clearly you know something as that’s a lot of experience. I know my coaching at the high school level lead to minimal knowledge kind of like what Dp was saying. So what would make you say that the coaching isn’t good based upon your observations? Serious question, no disrespect…just what do you see that makes it bad? I’ll hang up and listen, thanks!
 



dpodoll68 said:
Yes, a know-nothing message board dipshit knows more about OL coaching than a guy who has been paid millions of dollars to coach the position and has put multiple players in the NFL. Get a fucking clue.

More than 20 years ago, when I was still harboring dreams of teaching and coaching at the high school level, I was finishing my teaching licensure and took a football coaching course at Northern State University. At the time, I thought I knew a fair amount about football. The course was taught by the OL coach at Northern. He diagrammed some (as he called them) "basic" OL schemes, and I comprehended maybe 15-20% of what he was saying. It was so far over my head that he may as well have been teaching us hieroglyphics.

And this was at a college football wasteland, this guy probably getting paid $50K to coach the OL for a Division II team who usually sucks - I think Northern may have still been NAIA at the time.

Compared to that guy, Brian Callahan is a god, and compared to you, this guy is a god. The totality of your accumulated OL knowledge could fit in a thimble, and that's being kind. That is why Callahan draws a high-six-figure salary to coach the OL, and why you're a know-nothing anonymous poster on a sports-themed message board.
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WoodburyTim said:
Imagine if we had to worry that slamming it into the line on 1st and 2nd down and then having to throw it into a tight window on 3rd and 8 was still going to be a problem next year? It would be a little disheartening.
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Boy wouldn't that suck... it's tOTaLly not going to happen again this year...
 




April 15th spring practice observation: I'm excited to see if Koi Perich can be a playmaker as a freshman. 100% sure he thinks he can. Anxious to add Jaxon Howard on either side of the ball and see if he can splash too.
 

NotAFanOfBecky said:
Ok clearly you know something as that’s a lot of experience. I know my coaching at the high school level lead to minimal knowledge kind of like what Dp was saying. So what would make you say that the coaching isn’t good based upon your observations? Serious question, no disrespect…just what do you see that makes it bad? I’ll hang up and listen, than
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NotAFanOfBecky said:
Ok clearly you know something as that’s a lot of experience. I know my coaching at the high school level lead to minimal knowledge kind of like what Dp was saying. So what would make you say that the coaching isn’t good based upon your observations? Serious question, no disrespect…just what do you see that makes it bad? I’ll hang up and listen, thanks!You
NotAFanOfBecky said:
Ok clearly you know something as that’s a lot of experience. I know my coaching at the high school level lead to minimal knowledge kind of like what Dp was saying. So what would make you say that the coaching isn’t good based upon your observations? Serious question, no disrespect…just what do you see that makes it bad? I’ll hang up and listen, thanks!
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you saw what I saw the last two years. Offensive linemen not moving their feet, not closing the A and B gap. Not keeping their heads up and eyes open. Years ago I spoke at a Bob Roy clinic in downtown Minneapolis. Had the pleasure of breakfast with Bear Bryant and Duffy Daughtary(Mich. State fame). Both said same thing - you move your feet and keep your head up and eyes open. Inside blitz should NEVER be a problem. Help a teammate
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I’ll be shocked if the passing game isn’t vastly improved in ‘24.

O line should be good. Running backs are very good. Receivers: Jackson returns.

I predict we’ll get competent QB play, and this will make everybody look better.
 



USAF said:
Who are "they?"
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Hollywood studios, some themes in movie script could be considered historically, or culturally insensitive, or stereotypes, inappropriate compared to 1980's. I liked the " I don't know scene" for it's comedy simplicity. The character of Mr Hand was played by a strange dude. (Think that actor had legal issues) I don't know if financially, a modern studio would fund that script.
 


gopherdudepart2 said:
Hollywood studios, some themes in movie script could be considered historically, or culturally insensitive, or stereotypes, inappropriate compared to 1980's. I liked the " I don't know scene" for it's comedy simplicity. The character of Mr Hand was played by a strange dude. (Think that actor had legal issues) I don't know if financially, a modern studio would fund that script.
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Ray Walston - as far as I know - did not have any legal issues. He was a long-time stage actor who also did lots of work in movies and TV. Sci-Fi fans will remember him for playing "Boothby," the gardener at Starfleet Academy in Star Trek-the Next Generation. really old fans will remember him for starring in the TV show "My Favorite Martian" with Bill Bixby in the mid-60's.
 

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