Souhan: Gophers, conference led by voices of reason and safety, instead of the selfish and greedy

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Also, I guess Kevin Warren has a son that plays in the SEC? It'll be interesting to see if he ends up playing.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Also, I guess Kevin Warren has a son that plays in the SEC? It'll be interesting to see if he ends up playing.
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it will also be interesting to watch at Michigan State where they can’t play football safely but sounds like Intramurals are a go there.
 

....and Rutgers just announced they have 30 positive tests.
 

46Gophers said:
....and Rutgers just announced they have 30 positive tests.
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On that's on their football team ALONE: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...players-were-positive-for-covid-19/113190172/

I skimmed the article, so I may have missed something, but it doesn't say where the players may have caught it. I wonder if there were a few "Patient 0"s who didn't properly social distance, and were asymptomatic, who then spread it to the rest of the team.

Also, when were they planning to disclose this if the season hadn't been postponed? Surely they would have had to disclose the the conference prior to playing eventually. I suppose maybe they were waiting for the last moment, since they didn't want to be part of the reason the season was cancelled.
 

People complaining about their conferences delaying their fall sports should be applauding that the conferences put their respective communities, athletes and their family and friends health first instead of the almighty dollar.
 


46Gophers said:
People complaining about their conferences delaying their fall sports should be applauding that the conferences put their respective communities, athletes and their family and friends health first instead of the almighty dollar.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Sure thy did. The almighty dollar actually really helped drive this decision. They were very worried about the financial liability. As for player safety, I don't want to hear another word. I am all for making the players as safe as possible. But nobody can honestly claim 'player safety' was the reason and then turn around and say that we are going to ask them to play 22 games or whatever, over two separate seasons, in the course of less than 10 months. Talk about safety issues.
 

46Gophers said:
....and Rutgers just announced they have 30 positive tests.
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Underscores the likelihood many, perhaps most that age will contract it unless they lock themselves in the basement. This thing is pretty contagious, the kids feel invulnerable, and there is a need for socializing.

I’ll guess by, I don’t know, early October in that particular cohort the virus will have pretty much burned itself out.
 


Notre Dame has started reporting cases on their campus a week after students were let onto campus: https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

I believe you had to test negative to be allowed on campus initially. This thing spreads like wild fire and I think that's going to be the reason the other schools cancel. If you can't contain the spread on campus, you greatly reduce the ability to keep the football players healthy without a full bubble. If Notre Dame can't get it under control and other schools have similar problems, I think the liability causes the rest of the conferences to cave.
 



swelna said:
Notre Dame has started reporting cases on their campus a week after students were let onto campus: https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

I believe you had to test negative to be allowed on campus initially. This thing spreads like wild fire and I think that's going to be the reason the other schools cancel. If you can't contain the spread on campus, you greatly reduce the ability to keep the football players healthy without a full bubble. If Notre Dame can't get it under control and other schools have similar problems, I think the liability causes the rest of the conferences to cave.
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Wierd, they only do socially distanced Irish dancing in SB.
 

Crosby said:
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Sure thy did. The almighty dollar actually really helped drive this decision. They were very worried about the financial liability. As for player safety, I don't want to hear another word. I am all for making the players as safe as possible. But nobody can honestly claim 'player safety' was the reason and then turn around and say that we are going to ask them to play 22 games or whatever, over two separate seasons, in the course of less than 10 months. Talk about safety issues.
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This is so much more than football and if you can't figure that out, there's no helping you. The Big10 and Pac12 recognize that they also have to do their part to protect folks from COVID19. Yes, liability is a big consideration and it always will be - nothing new there. Having a player be infected and spread to an at-risk teamate, friend, or family member is another. I guess if we would have taken the New Zealand approach to COVID19 we would all be looking forward to our Fall opener but it is all too much about ME in this country.
 

46Gophers said:
This is so much more than football and if you can't figure that out, there's no helping you. The Big10 and Pac12 recognize that they also have to do their part to protect folks from COVID19. Yes, liability is a big consideration and it always will be - nothing new there. Having a player be infected and spread to an at-risk teamate, friend, or family member is another. I guess if we would have taken the New Zealand approach to COVID19 we would all be looking forward to our Fall opener but it is all too much about ME in this country.
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You are 100% wrong and a douche.
 

46Gophers said:
People complaining about their conferences delaying their fall sports should be applauding that the conferences put their respective communities, athletes and their family and friends health first instead of the almighty dollar.
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Before you applaud any institution for putting their communities health first.... you might want to see who is asking/requiring students to come back on campus for classes. I'm not against the season shutdown no matter how much I may or may not have cried when it happened. My question is how in the fvck can you say it's safe for students to return to dorms and classes and then say football is not safe and you need to shut down. That's my only gripe.
 




MN-Moose said:
Before you applaud any institution for putting their communities health first.... you might want to see who is asking/requiring students to come back on campus for classes. I'm not against the season shutdown no matter how much I may or may not have cried when it happened. My question is how in the fvck can you say it's safe for students to return to dorms and classes and then say football is not safe and you need to shut down. That's my only gripe.
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yeah i agree on this subject matter. I think, in all honesty, some of this is caving to pressure to offer the "college experience" to justify charging the tuition they are. I get the claim it is at a lesser capacity but frankly, it's not like people are going to campus to socially distance, but rather to be social. I disagree with the idea of pulling people back to campus as well but that's just me (as well as feel that the charging of tuition at full price is absolute bs, but that's for another board).
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Underscores the likelihood many, perhaps most that age will contract it unless they lock themselves in the basement. This thing is pretty contagious, the kids feel invulnerable, and there is a need for socializing.

I’ll guess by, I don’t know, early October in that particular cohort the virus will have pretty much burned itself out.
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this is provided reinfection isn't a thing, which we don't know at this point (we think unlikely, but don't know as there haven't been controlled studies proving cessation of infection then re-exposure for second infection).
 

upnorthkid said:
yeah i agree on this subject matter. I think, in all honesty, some of this is caving to pressure to offer the "college experience" to justify charging the tuition they are. I get the claim it is at a lesser capacity but frankly, it's not like people are going to campus to socially distance, but rather to be social. I disagree with the idea of pulling people back to campus as well but that's just me (as well as feel that the charging of tuition at full price is absolute bs, but that's for another board).
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I'm fully 100% with your post. The sports aspect makes no sense if you allow kids back.

From the academic standpoint, I'm even more on board. I had to drop out at my 4th year at a MIAC school due to a family situation, stuck in debt with no degree. I have to go back to further my career and I'm just waiting to see how the dominoes fall on people outraged with online classes prices via zoom vs. the normal tuition to see if there is a reduction in tuition.
 
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46Gophers said:
People complaining about their conferences delaying their fall sports should be applauding that the conferences put their respective communities, athletes and their family and friends health first instead of the almighty dollar.
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HA!!!! Now that's a good one!

This decision had absolutely ZERO to do with health and safety. This decision was made by a room full of lawyers and insurance folks whose sole purpose was to calculate and assess the level of risk involved from a liability standpoint and what the exposure was at each university.
 

upnorthkid said:
this is provided reinfection isn't a thing, which we don't know at this point (we think unlikely, but don't know as there haven't been controlled studies proving cessation of infection then re-exposure for second infection).
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True. There could be unusual immune mechanisms and evasion and immune enhancement issues. But, I have evolved to err on the side of “show me” over the years though. Dwelling on unlikely realities isn’t psychologically healthy and fear-based decisions are generally poor ones although the math sometimes works out in ones favor.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
True. There could be unusual immune mechanisms and evasion and immune enhancement issues. But, I have evolved to err on the side of “show me” over the years though. Dwelling on unlikely realities isn’t psychologically healthy and fear-based decisions are generally poor ones although the math sometimes works out in ones favor.
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It wouldn’t be all that unusual for genetic drift or shift to occur and allow for recurrent infection though (ie the why this could be a recurrent issue). though you are correct i did specifically say reinfection
 
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Ogee Oglethorpe said:
HA!!!! Now that's a good one!

This decision had absolutely ZERO to do with health and safety. This decision was made by a room full of lawyers and insurance folks whose sole purpose was to calculate and assess the level of risk involved from a liability standpoint and what the exposure was at each university.
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You were in the room???
 

LesBolstad said:
You are 100% wrong and a douche.
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This one comment perfectly embodies the state of discourse in our country.

Regardless of whether we're talking about COVID, religion, race relations, the election, or the best apple (clearly honeycrisp, but I digress), there's absolutely zero room for dissenting opinions...and not only that, those who disagree are morally bankrupt. It's sad.
 


Outbreaks everywhere already.




 

Look at the percent of cases by age. Young adults have been getting infected in high numbers for months, while not at school.
 

This was written by a physician who is a specialist and has no interest in the current whining and libertarian outrage about the status of the college football season.
Those with no or superficial knowledge of the subject are welcome to respond.
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease (Published 2020)

Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.
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Plato said:
This was written by a physician who is a specialist and has no interest in the current whining and libertarian outrage about the status of the college football season.
Those with no or superficial knowledge of the subject are welcome to respond.
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease (Published 2020)

Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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The paper at the heart of her argument has already been trashed by a number of statistics-trained cardiologists, to the point of possible retraction.

Yes, COVID-19 can cause cardiomyopathy. We don’t really know to what extent or severity.
 

Plato said:
This was written by a physician who is a specialist and has no interest in the current whining and libertarian outrage about the status of the college football season.
Those with no or superficial knowledge of the subject are welcome to respond.
www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease (Published 2020)

Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Here's more:

A paper this week in JAMA Cardiology found that 78 of 100 people diagnosed with COVID-19 had cardiac abnormalities when their heart was imaged on average 10 weeks later, most often inflammation in heart muscle. Many of the participants in that study were previously healthy, and some even caught the virus while on ski trips, according to the authors.

Based on experience with other viruses, doctors can “extrapolate and anticipate” potential long-term effects of COVID-19, says Jeffrey Goldberger, chief of cardiology at the University of Miami. Like SARS-CoV-2, some other viruses, such as Epstein-Barr, can damage heart tissue, for example. In those infections, the organ sometimes heals completely. Sometimes, scarring is mild. “Or,” Goldberger says, “it could be severe and lead to heart failure.”

Mitrani and Goldberger, who co-authored a June paper in Heart Rhythm urging follow-up of patients who might have heart damage, worry in particular about the enzyme troponin, which is elevated in 20% to 30% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients and signifies cardiac damage. (Troponin is sky-high during a heart attack, for example.)

TCTMD reached out to James Carr, MD (Northwestern University, Chicago, IL), president of the Society for Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance, who said he was aware of the questions being raised about the numbers reported in the JAMA Cardiology paper. To him, though, the cardiac abnormalities picked up using standard CMR as well as the T1 and T2 mapping appear undeniable, Carr commented.

“I think what's striking is the high percentage of abnormalities in these patients, many of whom were recovering from COVID at home and for quite a lengthy period afterwards, and I don't think this is really reflected entirely in this discussion about the values and whether they are medians or means,” he said. “If you look at the delayed enhancement of myocardium, at least a third of the patients had abnormal myocardial enhancement,” quite apart from the more general figure of 78% for any abnormality on CMR, he pointed out. “There is clearly an impact going on in the heart, and I think that's probably indisputable.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ovid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

https://www.tctmd.com/news/signs-cardiac-damage-even-younger-nonhospitalized-covid-19-patients
 
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mkAz said:
Outbreaks everywhere already.




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'In total since the university began testing, 6,509 tests have been performed with 141 coming back positive for a positivity rate that's stayed at 2.2%' about 1/3rd of the national average. 141 out of 28000+ undergrads, not quite at an outbreak level.

Also seems like the contact tracing should be significantly easier on a college campus.
 

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